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What should I do? Posted on: 05.05.2013 by Dylan Kockler Hey guys let me tell you a little bit about my situation. So I live in Chicago and I've been to one music festival, Ultra 2013, and am 18 years old. Honestly all I can believe about every day is producing music and eventually DJing but I dont have any money nor do I have any gear . I have a girlfriend who loves EDM as much as I do and we planned on going to 3 festivals together this summer, EDC Chicago, Spring Awakening, and North Coast. I already have all of my tickets however lately I've been wondering whether I should sell all my tickets and buy gear and chase my dream now or hold off on getting my gear and go to the festivals. All I believe about it making my music and at the same time I love the experience of festivals. I could sell each ticket for about $200 each and save an extra $100 each just from not attending (ie. food/souvenirs) Is there a compromise I can make to do both? I'm just looking for some opinions from you guys as to what I should do, all help is appreciated. The gear I plan on buying by the way is -M Audio Axiom 49 -Either Ableton 9 or FL Studio -Traktor S4 -Midi Fighter 3D Any advice on gear is greatly appreciated as well. EDIT: Okay guys I'm convinced and I will be going to all the festivals this summer, HOWEVER this does not mean I dont have the money to buy any gear . This isnt a hobby that I just wanna do I honestly want to put the time and effort into making music and I wanna learn how to get started. What I'm asking now is what would be good starting gear /software for Producing music, not DJing. I want to focus on producing music then eventually DJ. I'm already hooked on trying Ableton but what other software/hardware would be a good purchase to go with? Any MIDI keyboards you guys recommend? EDIT 2: So now it's between M-Audio Axiom 49 + Ableton 9 Intro or Ableton Push + Ableton 9 Intro But I just thought I'd share a little bit about myself this time I've played the french horn and flute growing up as well as sang however I'm not gonna say that I have a strong musical background whatsoever. Honestly I've watched two of my cousins DJ over the years and I've always been lost on what I wanted to do until I went to Ultra 2013 with one of those two cousins who came back from the navy to go with me. Honestly when I hear music played I honestly close my eyes and all I believe of is taking all the music I hear in my head and making it come to life. It's the only thing I ever was sure of that I wanted to do with my life. Everyday all I do is plan out how I can save up to get gear and to get started and everyday I worry about being able to work enough to get the gear I want. People on the thread are saying to start off really small in case you dont like it after a while but honestly its all I believe about doing, its all my girlfriend hears me talk about and the first time I actually found gear and stuff just to mess around with at a store I literally stood there for over an hour just playing with it trying to figure it out to learn. I can't put it into words but it's what I'm meant to do I just know it. I come home everyday disappointed that I dont have the gear to to make everything I want to make and I'll sit at home or in my car for hours just listening to all kinds of songs just getting ideas of what I'd eventually want to put into one of my own songs one day. The genres that I'm most interested in are Electro House, Progressive House, Trance, and Tech House. I honestly like most EDM besides Trap. This is all I ever believe about and this is the only way I'm able to put it into words for you on how serious I am about it.
Dylan Kockler 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by botstein Well, maybe. If you want to learn to play the piano, a keyboard makes sense. A lot of musicians start with piano and / or consider it home. Maschines / pads are fun. I believe they are great for beginners, too. You seem to be interested in a lot of music, but if you have a taste for beats you're very probably going to want some pads. Push doesn't really deliver on the things that I expect out of Ableton or any controller- it has virtually no functionality to do with editing audio, and makes you use the mouse. I maintain that putting the encoders above the screen is dumb (I don't find that it makes any difference whether I'm seated or standing). I believe that the pads on Push and the MPC controllers are inferior to Maschine's pads. No problem. I specifically am aiming to make EDM such as Electro House, Progressive House, Trance and Tech House mainly, then of course a little of other EDM sub genres besides Trap. I could always buy one before buying the other but there's so many options/decisions. Which would be the most cost effective/worth the price? Do you believe I should get the Maschine with its production software to start off with? Or a Midi Keyboard with a certain DAW? You can reply here or just PM me your thoughts, whichever is easier?
Ervin Calvery 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by Drade I see, I have no piano skills at all and have never played the piano so would you recommend me going for a pad controller? Also why are you against the Ableton Push? Well, maybe. If you want to learn to play the piano, a keyboard makes sense. A lot of musicians start with piano and / or consider it home. Maschines / pads are fun. I believe they are great for beginners, too. You seem to be interested in a lot of music, but if you have a taste for beats you're very probably going to want some pads. Push doesn't really deliver on the things that I expect out of Ableton or any controller- it has virtually no functionality to do with editing audio, and makes you use the mouse. I maintain that putting the encoders above the screen is dumb (I don't find that it makes any difference whether I'm seated or standing). I believe that the pads on Push and the MPC controllers are inferior to Maschine's pads. Originally Posted by Drade Sorry for all the questions I'm really just interested in all there is to know and want to learn. No problem.
Dylan Kockler 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by botstein If you're a pianist or have piano skills / are classically trained, the keyboard is useful because it's like a piano. It's much easier to play huge ranges with all 88 keys (or even 61, etc) at your fingertips. Pads can be a much more expressive and effective solution for rhythmic sounds like drums and, especially in the case of QuNeo (X-Y, poly aftertouch, velocity) or Maschine (super sensitive, velocity, poly aftertouch), provide a great way to integrate performances into productions and vice versa. I see, I have no piano skills at all and have never played the piano so would you recommend me going for a pad controller? Also why are you against the Ableton Push? Sorry for all the questions I'm really just interested in all there is to know and want to learn.
Ervin Calvery 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by Drade What are the pros/cons of using a keyboard or pads? If you're a pianist or have piano skills / are classically trained, the keyboard is useful because it's like a piano. It's much easier to play huge ranges with all 88 keys (or even 61, etc) at your fingertips. Pads can be a much more expressive and effective solution for rhythmic sounds like drums and, especially in the case of QuNeo (X-Y, poly aftertouch, velocity) or Maschine (super sensitive, velocity, poly aftertouch), provide a great way to integrate performances into productions and vice versa.
Dylan Kockler 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by botstein I would skip Push and the Axiom. If you want keys, I recommend (in descending order of expense) a hammer action Nord piano / synth (or both like the Nord Stage) (expensive, amazing, dreamy, my favourite), a SLmkii (what I use most every day), a more affordable hardware synth like UltraNova, or a controller like the Impulse (like the SL but streamlined and cheaper). If you want pads, Maschine is the way to go. What are the pros/cons of using a keyboard or pads?
Augustine Mitzen 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos Dude you are 18 years old. Here is your shopping list for the next few months: 1. Condoms End of List. If you can settle on pills, go for that imo, the plastic wrap doesn't feel nice
Ervin Calvery 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos Dude you are 18 years old. Here is your shopping list for the next few months: 1. Condoms End of List. Seriously you have 2 of the greatest things an 18 year old can have, a girl and festival tickets. Both of these will bring you great joy. Fuck the gear , you can buy that anytime. Enjoy life. Go to the festival and see the djs you like and you will get inspired in ways that you only can by seeing artists live in an amazing setting. Festivals are the single greatest community for inspiration and trust me when I say there are few better experiences than being at a great festival with a partner. If you have never been to a festival you cannot know the unbelievable experience that it is (of course I have been to Glastonbury so I may have an unfair advantage in this department). Meanwhile read this community like your life depended on it. Drool over gear . Get the demos of the software. Make some music. Don't throw away what could be the greatest summer of your life chasing bits of plastic with buttons. That shit will come and go. Trust me on this. Listen to Karlos - this is great advice.
Kori Shatz 07.05.2013	Honestly, you don't need a controller to create music at all, that is the beauty of the advance in technology. In 1988, you needed at least a sample, a synth, a mixer and DAT, today only a laptop is necessary. I owned a lot of controllers during the last years and sold almost all of them. Yes it is nice to have the tactile feel but is it really necessary especially if you are on a budget and wants to create electronic music? I don't believe so. If you are not a trained pianist or interested in hip hop music, you don't need a controller. For pad controllers, I had LPD 8 (nice and portable and cheap), Korg Pad kontrol (very nice pads and cheap), Maschine MK1, Mikro Mk1 and MK2 (great quality but moving the projects to ableton Live was a chore), Midi Fighter (Very nice for DJing not so for production due to the lack of velocity), Akai APC 40 (Big and bulky but was nice for Live), Launchpad (my favorite with LPC by Native Kontrol and the monome M4L devices, portable and powerful but no velocity) and finally Push (Great but honestly it is not worth the price tag of $599). Push came with a damaged pad so I returned it and because the new batch are coming at the end of June, I will see if i really "need" it. Keyboard: LPK 25 (still have it, will sell it when Qunexus is released - very useful if you're traveling and playing drums and simple bassline on it is fine), M-audio keys (piece of crap), Novation SL Remote 25 (very nice keybed but the pots were awful), Novation Impulse 49 (very cheap quality of pots and faders, pads were okay), Arturia 32 (my favorite, great quality and no useless pads that are crammed on a keyboard). Push was nice for melodies especially in scale mode but nothing that can be done with your mouse and some basic knowledge of music theory (or the Scales Live midi effect and any cheap keyboard). Today I only use an iPad with Griid, Touchable, Lemur and V-control for controling softwares, a minibrute (great synth and keys, 1 knob per function: perfect) and eurorack modules (that is highly dangerous if you have GAS). I really believe that for most electronic music controllers are not essential. Just a laptop and maybe a MPK mini to bang some midi notes in real time is I believe a perfect setup for beginners. Sometimes you are using a controller for tasks that are better suited for the mouse, yes it is less fun than Push or Maschine but don't believe the hype, these are just tools! Buy a Mpk mini used, Live 9 and you are set! Enjoy the summer, it is finally getting nicer in Chicago!
Dylan Kockler 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by botstein Well, maybe. If you want to learn to play the piano, a keyboard makes sense. A lot of musicians start with piano and / or consider it home. Maschines / pads are fun. I believe they are great for beginners, too. You seem to be interested in a lot of music, but if you have a taste for beats you're very probably going to want some pads. Push doesn't really deliver on the things that I expect out of Ableton or any controller- it has virtually no functionality to do with editing audio, and makes you use the mouse. I maintain that putting the encoders above the screen is dumb (I don't find that it makes any difference whether I'm seated or standing). I believe that the pads on Push and the MPC controllers are inferior to Maschine's pads. No problem. I specifically am aiming to make EDM such as Electro House, Progressive House, Trance and Tech House mainly, then of course a little of other EDM sub genres besides Trap. I could always buy one before buying the other but there's so many options/decisions. Which would be the most cost effective/worth the price? Do you believe I should get the Maschine with its production software to start off with? Or a Midi Keyboard with a certain DAW? You can reply here or just PM me your thoughts, whichever is easier?
Ervin Calvery 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by Drade I see, I have no piano skills at all and have never played the piano so would you recommend me going for a pad controller? Also why are you against the Ableton Push? Well, maybe. If you want to learn to play the piano, a keyboard makes sense. A lot of musicians start with piano and / or consider it home. Maschines / pads are fun. I believe they are great for beginners, too. You seem to be interested in a lot of music, but if you have a taste for beats you're very probably going to want some pads. Push doesn't really deliver on the things that I expect out of Ableton or any controller- it has virtually no functionality to do with editing audio, and makes you use the mouse. I maintain that putting the encoders above the screen is dumb (I don't find that it makes any difference whether I'm seated or standing). I believe that the pads on Push and the MPC controllers are inferior to Maschine's pads. Originally Posted by Drade Sorry for all the questions I'm really just interested in all there is to know and want to learn. No problem.
Dylan Kockler 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by botstein If you're a pianist or have piano skills / are classically trained, the keyboard is useful because it's like a piano. It's much easier to play huge ranges with all 88 keys (or even 61, etc) at your fingertips. Pads can be a much more expressive and effective solution for rhythmic sounds like drums and, especially in the case of QuNeo (X-Y, poly aftertouch, velocity) or Maschine (super sensitive, velocity, poly aftertouch), provide a great way to integrate performances into productions and vice versa. I see, I have no piano skills at all and have never played the piano so would you recommend me going for a pad controller? Also why are you against the Ableton Push? Sorry for all the questions I'm really just interested in all there is to know and want to learn.
Ervin Calvery 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by Drade What are the pros/cons of using a keyboard or pads? If you're a pianist or have piano skills / are classically trained, the keyboard is useful because it's like a piano. It's much easier to play huge ranges with all 88 keys (or even 61, etc) at your fingertips. Pads can be a much more expressive and effective solution for rhythmic sounds like drums and, especially in the case of QuNeo (X-Y, poly aftertouch, velocity) or Maschine (super sensitive, velocity, poly aftertouch), provide a great way to integrate performances into productions and vice versa.
Ming Devis 06.05.2013	Second hand Maschine mk 1 for your beats + Akai lpk 25 for basslines/chords + the DAW of your choice and you're set.
Dylan Kockler 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by botstein I would skip Push and the Axiom. If you want keys, I recommend (in descending order of expense) a hammer action Nord piano / synth (or both like the Nord Stage) (expensive, amazing, dreamy, my favourite), a SLmkii (what I use most every day), a more affordable hardware synth like UltraNova, or a controller like the Impulse (like the SL but streamlined and cheaper). If you want pads, Maschine is the way to go. What are the pros/cons of using a keyboard or pads?
Ervin Calvery 06.05.2013	I would skip Push and the Axiom. If you want keys, I recommend (in descending order of expense) a hammer action Nord piano / synth (or both like the Nord Stage) (expensive, amazing, dreamy, my favourite), a SLmkii (what I use most every day), a more affordable hardware synth like UltraNova, or a controller like the Impulse (like the SL but streamlined and cheaper). If you want pads, Maschine is the way to go.
Dylan Kockler 06.05.2013	What do you guys believe of the Ableton Push compared to M-Audio Axiom 49 I've played the french horn and flute growing up as well as sang however I'm not gonna say that I have a strong musical background whatsoever. Honestly I've watched two of my cousins DJ over the years and I've always been lost on what I wanted to do until I went to Ultra 2013 with one of those two cousins who came back from the navy to go with me. Honestly when I hear music played I honestly close my eyes and all I believe of is taking all the music I hear in my head and making it come to life. It's the only thing I ever was sure of that I wanted to do with my life. Everyday all I do is plan out how I can save up to get gear and to get started and everyday I worry about being able to work enough to get the gear I want. People on the thread are saying to start off really small in case you dont like it after a while but honestly its all I believe about doing, its all my girlfriend hears me talk about and the first time I actually found gear and stuff just to mess around with at a store I literally stood there for over an hour just playing with it trying to figure it out to learn. I can't put it into words but it's what I'm meant to do I just know it. I come home everyday disappointed that I dont have the gear to to make everything I want to make and I'll sit at home or in my car for hours just listening to all kinds of songs just getting ideas of what I'd eventually want to put into one of my own songs one day. The genres that I'm most interested in are Electro House, Progressive House, Trance, and Tech House. I honestly like most EDM besides Trap. This is all I ever believe about and this is the only way I'm able to put it into words for you on how serious I am about it.
Augustine Mitzen 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos Dude you are 18 years old. Here is your shopping list for the next few months: 1. Condoms End of List. If you can settle on pills, go for that imo, the plastic wrap doesn't feel nice
Dylan Kockler 07.05.2013	I edited my original post to show the changes I've made in my decision and with the last thing I need help me, thanks for all the help so far guys!
Dylan Kockler 06.05.2013	Okay guys I'm convinced and I will be going to all the festivals this summer, HOWEVER this does not mean I dont have the money to buy any gear . This isnt a hobby that I just wanna do I honestly want to put the time and effort into making music and I wanna learn how to get started. What I'm asking now is what would be good starting gear /software for Producing music, not DJing. I want to focus on producing music then eventually DJ. I'm already hooked on trying Ableton but what other software/hardware would be a good purchase to go with? Any MIDI keyboards you guys recommend?
Pamella Demeulenaere 06.05.2013	You could go to the festivals and also practise with ableton (demo), or could take a summer job and buy some gear, i recommend you to skip the midi fighter and start from a midi keyboard if you want to produce or a controller if you want to dj. You can do both...
Tommy Thiner 06.05.2013	I too am with everyone else. Live life to the fullest while your young and then when you get in the real world (which is about to happen to ya in the next few years) use that hard earned money of yours to buy the gear you've dreamed of having and to pay off student loans lol. But while you can attend as many festivals as possible and experience as many women as you can! Words from a guy who is engaged and going to EDC Chicago for my bachelor party. I lose my balls in June
Jorge Furber 06.05.2013	I'm with Karlos too. But because you seem to really want to do this, you don't need the best gear on the market to do this. My friend still DJ with his CDJ-100 he bough years ago and still being booked in clubs and bars (the 100s are his home setup). Start a "Gear jar". Put all your change in it and say put 1$ or 2$ everyday it in. It might take you a year but at the end, you might have 400$-700$. And that will be enough to buy your first controller. Check Craigslist often. You could score something in perfect shape for very cheap. When your birthday, Christmas or any occasion comes that you will receive gifts, ask for money and put it in a separate bank account, that you don't touch and is made to save the money for your first controller. But please, DO NOT miss the festivals. Your summers between 18 and 25 are the best ones. And festivals are something you should do because you get to meet people, live an amazing experience, and learn about yourself.
Ervin Calvery 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos Dude you are 18 years old. Here is your shopping list for the next few months: 1. Condoms End of List. Seriously you have 2 of the greatest things an 18 year old can have, a girl and festival tickets. Both of these will bring you great joy. Fuck the gear , you can buy that anytime. Enjoy life. Go to the festival and see the djs you like and you will get inspired in ways that you only can by seeing artists live in an amazing setting. Festivals are the single greatest community for inspiration and trust me when I say there are few better experiences than being at a great festival with a partner. If you have never been to a festival you cannot know the unbelievable experience that it is (of course I have been to Glastonbury so I may have an unfair advantage in this department). Meanwhile read this community like your life depended on it. Drool over gear . Get the demos of the software. Make some music. Don't throw away what could be the greatest summer of your life chasing bits of plastic with buttons. That shit will come and go. Trust me on this. Listen to Karlos - this is great advice.
Ervin Calvery 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by Drade I didnt make these plans with my girlfriend, I had just recently started dating the girl and she wants to be with me at the festivals. But in what order should you say that I buy my gear ? Ableton 9 Midi Keyboard (Axiom49 or MPK49) Upgrade to MacBook Pro Then my DJ gear later on or Midi Keyboard Ableton 9 Upgrade to MacBook Pro DJ Equipment The DJ gear wouldnt come til next year, the midi keyboard/ableton would come by mid summer and the macbook would come around christmas time Go to the festivals! Definitely buy Ableton first. (I recommend against the Axiom and the MPK).
Meaghan Machold 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by Drade I didnt make these plans with my girlfriend, I had just recently started dating the girl and she wants to be with me at the festivals. But in what order should you say that I buy my gear ? Ableton 9 Midi Keyboard (Axiom49 or MPK49) Upgrade to MacBook Pro Then my DJ gear later on or Midi Keyboard Ableton 9 Upgrade to MacBook Pro DJ Equipment The DJ gear wouldnt come til next year, the midi keyboard/ableton would come by mid summer and the macbook would come around christmas time Are u seriously this hard headed? Buy a used mix track pro and a trial version of ableton and shut up and go to the fests.
Jetta Drenzek 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos Dude you are 18 years old. Here is your shopping list for the next few months: 1. Condoms End of List.
Dylan Kockler 06.05.2013	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos Dude you are 18 years old. Here is your shopping list for the next few months: 1. Condoms End of List. Seriously you have 2 of the greatest things an 18 year old can have, a girl and festival tickets. Both of these will bring you great joy. Fuck the gear , you can buy that anytime. Enjoy life. Go to the festival and see the djs you like and you will get inspired in ways that you only can by seeing artists live in an amazing setting. Festivals are the single greatest community for inspiration and trust me when I say there are few better experiences than being at a great festival with a partner. If you have never been to a festival you cannot know the unbelievable experience that it is (of course I have been to Glastonbury so I may have an unfair advantage in this department). Meanwhile read this community like your life depended on it. Drool over gear . Get the demos of the software. Make some music. Don't throw away what could be the greatest summer of your life chasing bits of plastic with buttons. That shit will come and go. Trust me on this. I've been to Ultra and I've already decided that I'm gonna keep my EDC/Spring Awakening/North Coast tickets My question now is what starting gear /software should I get for producing, the budget isnt an issue but I'm just looking for starting stuff nothing like crazy expensive (ie over $400)
nayit ruiz jaramillo 06.05.2013	Dude you are 18 years old. Here is your shopping list for the next few months: 1. Condoms End of List. Seriously you have 2 of the greatest things an 18 year old can have, a girl and festival tickets. Both of these will bring you great joy. Fuck the gear , you can buy that anytime. Enjoy life. Go to the festival and see the djs you like and you will get inspired in ways that you only can by seeing artists live in an amazing setting. Festivals are the single greatest community for inspiration and trust me when I say there are few better experiences than being at a great festival with a partner. If you have never been to a festival you cannot know the unbelievable experience that it is (of course I have been to Glastonbury so I may have an unfair advantage in this department). Meanwhile read this community like your life depended on it. Drool over gear . Get the demos of the software. Make some music. Don't throw away what could be the greatest summer of your life chasing bits of plastic with buttons. That shit will come and go. Trust me on this.
Dylan Kockler 06.05.2013	I didnt make these plans with my girlfriend, I had just recently started dating the girl and she wants to be with me at the festivals. But in what order should you say that I buy my gear ? Ableton 9 Midi Keyboard (Axiom49 or MPK49) Upgrade to MacBook Pro Then my DJ gear later on or Midi Keyboard Ableton 9 Upgrade to MacBook Pro DJ Equipment The DJ gear wouldnt come til next year, the midi keyboard/ableton would come by mid summer and the macbook would come around christmas time
Cindie Somoza 05.05.2013	Go to the festivals.
Michell Wehrmeyer 05.05.2013	Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle You don't need any gear to start producing, there's plenty of free instruments, fx and even DAWs out there. And the techniques of making electronic music are broadly the same. By the time you've got money to spend, you may have a better idea of what you want and why. this. a midi keyboard really doesn't make or break producing at all so don't let that stop you from following your dream. and you can find trial versions and such of fl studio, ableton, etc. Also there are free DAWs like he mentioned. and if you want gear, there are things for 50-100 dollars out there that will work for DJing/producing so you could get started if you wanted without spending more than a couple hundred. There isn't really a reason to get an S4 and a MF3D to start DJing when you can get something with similar function for <$200
Marshall Aby 05.05.2013	You don't need any gear to start producing, there's plenty of free instruments, fx and even DAWs out there. And the techniques of making electronic music are broadly the same. By the time you've got money to spend, you may have a better idea of what you want and why.
Ervin Calvery 05.05.2013	Originally Posted by Drade Hey guys let me tell you a little bit about my situation. So I live in Chicago and I've been to one music festival, Ultra 2013, and am 18 years old. Honestly all I can believe about every day is producing music and eventually DJing but I dont have any money nor do I have any gear . I have a girlfriend who loves EDM as much as I do and we planned on going to 3 festivals together this summer, EDC Chicago, Spring Awakening, and North Coast. I already have all of my tickets however lately I've been wondering whether I should sell all my tickets and buy gear and chase my dream now or hold off on getting my gear and go to the festivals. All I believe about it making my music and at the same time I love the experience of festivals. I could sell each ticket for about $200 each and save an extra $100 each just from not attending (ie. food/souvenirs) Is there a compromise I can make to do both? I'm just looking for some opinions from you guys as to what I should do, all help is appreciated. The gear I plan on buying by the way is -M Audio Axiom 49 -Either Ableton 9 or FL Studio -Traktor S4 -Midi Fighter 3D Any advice on gear is greatly appreciated as well. Enjoy the summer and the girl. You won't have summers free forever. Just hold off on the gear. Buy one piece at a time, when you can afford it. Skip the Axiom and anything form M-Audio. Ableton 9 is a great choice. The S4 is a safe bet, but not my favourite. I recommend learning on turntables, however possible. Skip the MIDI Fighter 3D until after you've got something to mix with (like a mixer), as well as all of the above (besides the M-Audio keyboard - don't buy that). Welcome!
Antonetta Wikel 05.05.2013	% chance that you'll become a famous DJ, .02. % chance that you're currently dating the girl who you'll spend your life with, 30.0. Knowing the odds?, PRICELESS.
Jetta Drenzek 05.05.2013	Originally Posted by robbyluca Break up with your girlfriend and you'll have a lot more money for your gear. And you won't feel guilty macking all the groupies.
Emelina Paglia 05.05.2013	Break up with your girlfriend and you'll have a lot more money for your gear.
Dylan Kockler 05.05.2013	Sorry i worded it wrong, i already made all these festival and by myself and then i just started dating this girl recently and i met her when i went to ultra and she wants to be with me at the festivals. Her and I never planned anything together.
Cole Maroto 05.05.2013	well first, i believe it's a jerk move to make plans with your girlfriend to see these shows then sell all the tix or cancel on her because you want to buy stuff. even if she's supportive of you, it's still something that reflects badly on your part. go to the shows, enjoy the experience, and let it get you more excited to get on the other side of the audience. as mye says you can demo ableton for a full month with no limitations. that might also stretch into 3 months if they allow 1 month for each version (ie intro, normal, suite)...not sure on this though. you can also get into production with almost no money as ableton intro is less than $100. you can also upgrade to normal or suite (with a discount) once you have the money and have hit the limitations. as a beginner, intro will offer you plenty to get going. i personally believe it's better to have limits when starting, but that's just me. if you really need a midi keyboard, then just wait for a good deal on craigslist for something. i got an mpk 49 for $120. also, i wouldn't jump right in and buy all that gear you posted. either pick djing or producing to start with and focus on that for a while until you get comfortable then add the other. if i were you i would start with producing since it's going to be the cheaper of the options and it sounds like you have no budget at this point in your life. you can also start off quicker if you don't have a lot of tracks in your library already. djing takes a long time to accumulate good songs in order to play out live. just my 2 cents and some food for thought.
Ashanti Andreacchio 05.05.2013	I would also recomand going to those festivals and have a fantastic summer. This producer/DJ crunch might not last. So you could end up with gear you will not use for a long time and a summer without any fun. And you would not need the Midifighter 3D for starting you could use the drum pads on they keyboard instead. Or just sell one of the tickets and you are close to getting the M-Audio and Live intro witch should be fine for learning and basic production. You can always upgrate later on.
Bunny Sockel 05.05.2013	Just use the demo version of ableton until you have the money to buy the full version

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