Does your play style change when you use CDJs?
Does your play style change when you use CDJs? Posted on: 06.05.2013 by William Muccio Im one of the few residents that uses MIDI, and i usually get put down by other, older residents scolding me on how real djs use cdjs bla bla, not the point of the thread. I use midi cause it improves my performance su much, having visual references i can mix songs so that intros of one son overlap perfectly with the drop of the other one and so on, sadly i havent been able to achieve this with cdjs and i dont want to risk my job. When i use cdjs i find myself playing one track to the end, where i just play the outro with the intro of the next and so on. Recently i noticed that all the other local djs do this aswell, they just use large mashups instead of individual tracks. Should i bother trying to learn cdjs as well as i know midi or do i continue doing my midi? | |
Isis Genwright 09.05.2013 | Also one more related question, at my school parties everyone wants electro house and dubstep.... The dj was using virtual dj and a numark controller, and was using a number of effects and filters for the transitions, which sounds good for the audience, but there is little beatmatching or mixing, which is my goal for using cdj's. it was obvious he was relying a great deal on the software. Is this a problem when switching? I'm mostly concerned with timing and want to know how much cdj's will slow me down |
Isis Genwright 09.05.2013 | I'm also planning to switch from a controller to cdj's... My question is once you practice a while, how fast can you beatmatch 2 tracks? I usually do it myself but there are times when I run out of time and have to sync I've just had a few 'oh shit' moments where the computer/sync saved me and I don't want 100x as many if I buy cdj's Also, for all of the parties I've played 99 percent of the ppl dont give a shit about the gear ... I just like the hobby |
Qiana Castellucci 09.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
What makes you believe you cant? (in case you've never seen one - Vestax VRX 2000 Vinyl Recorder) One bit of kit I wish I'd never sold.... not that I could have got hold of the blanks any more though. (owned with 2 other Dj's, very expensive bit of kit, but in the acetate days, invaluable) |
Meaghan Machold 09.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Not true at all. 1. Controllers aren't fragile so chill with your slanted view. 2. I'm so used to my s4 layout and I utilize the 8 hot cues alot. I like my s4s layout. So ur argument fails. It's def about preference. |
Jerica Salava 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by iambiggles
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Julissa Serrone 08.05.2013 | Makar.... ...you make too much sense my man. |
Alphonso Deitchman 08.05.2013 | There's no reason why you can't have waveforms and full Traktor/Serato/etc software while using the in-house CDJs/turntables+mixer. Unless you're actually doing some live sample-based performance (use a modular controller), there is no reason to bring a huge/fragile all-in-one when the existing booth gear has everything you need already. |
Qiana Castellucci 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
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William Muccio 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
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Jerica Salava 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Funny how I started on vinyl and I appreciate the new tools and some fools can't let go of the past. > |
Doreen Schurle 08.05.2013 | Amongst other things, yes. Just giving you additional usage scenarios. |
Julissa Serrone 08.05.2013 | Got it ---- waveforms are a Godsend when myself or a friend has to run the lights. |
Doreen Schurle 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by iambiggles
Not only that, but I prefer it when OTHER PEOPLE use waveforms, as typically one of us will man the lights while the other plays his set then swap out. If your colleague is playing tracks you're unfamiliar with, waveforms are a godsend. |
Julissa Serrone 08.05.2013 | the usual suspects with the usual answers..... +1 to biggles and metal .....OP good job on expanding your skill set. |
Meaghan Machold 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by iambiggles
thats why i keep saying structure/phrasing are so underrated and should be up there, if not higher, than beatmatching as a skill |
Qiana Castellucci 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
Waveforms are useful for beatgridding (if thats your thing), but are a distraction for the DJ - you should be looking at the crowd NOT your computer. if you NEED waveforms to dj, then I feel sorry for you. |
Doreen Schurle 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
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Jerica Salava 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by iambiggles
see the point? |
Qiana Castellucci 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
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Jerica Salava 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by iambiggles
There's also a skill to be able to mix unknown tracks on the fly. Like when the brother in law at a wedding hands you a CDR with 3 "dope tracks" on it. |
William Muccio 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by iambiggles
i believe hes comment was aimed more towards djs who never bothered to hone their craft and just rellied of mixes they got of mixcrate |
Qiana Castellucci 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
If you REALLY believe the BULK of DJ's that are active on the world circuit are insecure because they don't use controllers - wow, just wow! |
William Muccio 08.05.2013 | Thanks to all of you for the input, and yeah ive decided that i need to learn to dj on anything thats thrown at me, which is why i started practicing with my laptop screen turned off to simulate cdjing cause i dont have cjds. It can be done i just need to practice way more and know all of my tunes good enough. |
Jeffrey Akinsanya 09.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by hellnegative
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Jerica Salava 09.05.2013 | guess no one on here ever buys a few just released tracks the same day as a gig? waveforms are better to have IMO. Some guys still use 1200's. Just use whatever you like. Haters goan hate cause they're scared some kid on an iPad is going to school them. insecurity. |
Qiana Castellucci 09.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Plenty of people, many of whom use controllers, have given lgood of reasons why the OP should learn to use CDJ's. Unless, of course, he follows your path and never progresses outside of his town. Some people have more get up and go. |
Doreen Schurle 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
I have two setups I typically use in a club; my TM4 and either my Zomo or my Contours. The TM4 requires ONE channel on the house mixer, and Zomo/Contours require two. Never before had I had an issue swapping in/out with other DJs, as there's generally only two channels used on the house mixer (CDJs/Turntables/whatever). The ONLY time anything ever needs to be "recabled" (ie, not just plugging in but actually removing/swapping cables) is when I'm playing in inputs X and Y, and the next DJ is a DVS user who wants to run timecode, in which case he has to unplug the CDJs and run them into his DVS box... which he would have to do ANYWAY. As for the space issue, it depends on whether I'm the only DJ playing that evening . If so, everything gets unplugged and replaced with my gear; if not, I stand the CDJs on their outer edge and stick the Contours down either side of the mixer. Takes what... 10 seconds to swap out with a CDJ user? Unplug the controller and lay the CDJ back down. Hell, even with a full 4-deck setup, most mixers have at least two switchable line inputs along with 2 line/phono ones. CDJs in the switchables, controller/DVS in all 4. When swapping between DJs you just flick a switch. Anyone saying that it's "a hassle" dealing with controller users in the booth need to stop whining. |
Sherlyn Wolver 08.05.2013 | I used to have a pair of Technics CDJ's. I love them so much. Learning Pioneer decks was not that far of a stretch from the Technics CDJ's. However, as I listen to my mixes that I recorded during my CDJ years to the mixes recorded during my vinyl years to the mixes recorded on digital vinyl days which is current, I have to say... I love how mixing on turntables with digital vinyl is a nice mixture of smooth blends and a hint of Turntablism. |
Meaghan Machold 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by johney
Originally Posted by haze324
both of these are def true. thats why I make sure the club manager knows I'm bringing my s4. I've never had a problem. thats my experience. maybe others have had issues... and its certainly possible that a club may not want you to bring your own gear... and if thats the case, then you're shit out of luck. u cant DJ there till you learn how to use CDJs... but those are very few/far in between. just two examples of places ive djed at that are fine with bringing gear . and if theres a mixer in the way, all we had to do was move/unplug it before the set. 296501_4439167985248_424111905_n.jpg301991_4704293448559_1795923922_n.jpg bottom line.. learn how to use CDJs. if you cant use CDJs, then your stuck DJing at clubs that allow you to bring gear . If theres DJs there who hate on your for bringing your own gear , then fk em. |
Julissa Serrone 08.05.2013 | then you've never DJed in a booth that has only enough space for two CDJ's/1200's and a DJM...... You can stop reading if you'd like --- but you're only displaying the shortsightedness of a close minded controller DJ. I guess you and MCD know all the answers. Good luck to you both. |
Augustine Mitzen 08.05.2013 | you forgot moving turntables and cdjs around and leaping over mixer while someone else is playing |
Meaghan Machold 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by haze324
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Julissa Serrone 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
The other side to it and this is not directed at you, but the thread in general is that in my opinion and experience there are shit load more new DJ's who believe DJing is mashing a bunch of buttons just because they have a midi controller and saw a cool mapping. There is a significantly less amount of DJ's that play on CDJ's that absolutely suck.....and additionally, all this junk of A->B Mixing I take as mixing on two decks and and many clubs all you really need is two decks to keep the evening going. It's nonsense for some on this thread to say there isn't much you can do on CDJ's.....really? Dude, there tons of Pioneer vids of top name guys killing it on CDJ's. It's a little too narrow minded to say....it doesn't matter what you play on as long as it sounds good, or the crowd doesn't care. You are right the crowd doesn't care one bit. BUT --- there's other variables to consider that do matter. Aside from Sarasin (big props to him always), I'm still waiting to hear a mix of somethign so spectacular being done with sync or more than A-B, etc that can't be done on CDJ's. Someone to really break down the magic of the awesomeness. To keep in line with the OP and the original questions I believe you can do the same set with CDJ's if you really tried. |
Hanna Ridenbaugh 08.05.2013 | Absolute quality, well said djmetalgear. |
Meaghan Machold 08.05.2013 | why do people care what other people use? is your life so shallow and empty that you fill yours with other peoples worries? Does your boss care how you get to work? No. just as long as your on time. Does anyone care how you call someone? whether its from a cell phone, land line, pay phone, rotary phone... no! ("omg your using a cell phone?! what? you have speed dial?! omg your totally cheating. I still use a rotary phone. It requires skill!") yawn.... go find something better to cry about. this is so fkin dumb. every thread turns into this. WHO CARES. Just play music. if it sounds good, who cares. NOTE: and the reliability issue is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO stupid. "Omg your computer can crash! and then what?!" omg... your needle broke... and you dont have extra omg... your cdj got water spilled on it... now what It seems like 90% of the "DJ"s in this community don't even DJ, they just bitch about it. |
Alphonso Deitchman 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
The vast majority of people using DJ software (yourself included from what we've heard) rely on their software to mix for them so heavily that they end up ignoring the sound coming out of the speakers. If you can pull off something amazing with a MIDI controller, noone will look down on you or criticise what gear you use. Like I said earlier, it makes more sense to bring a small modular MIDI controller like an X1 to gigs and interface with the in-house mixer/CDJs to give you everything you need without lugging around several kilos of plastic. |
Bryon Taglieri 08.05.2013 | At the end of the day technology changes your just at the bleeding edge of it. When I started djing (early ninties) vinyl was the only way you could beat match and mix to a high level the only cd players on the market for djing that I saw were double dennon units and they were never fitted as standard in clubs, dj's bought there own and this was at at time when vinyl was already considered a dead format by the average consumer. What the guys gained that learnt to mix on CDs was access to a much larger pool of music and with improvements in technology CDs surpassed what you could do with vinyl. I am not playing clubs anymore but do private parties and events and I take my own gear traktor and technics if traktor crash's I can still play and playing some music like reggae and hip hop is just more fun on decks. |
Latoria Kavulich 08.05.2013 | I believe what mdcdesign means by A>B mixing is what i would call a blend, i.e just intros over outros. A>B mixing is proper mixing. |
Augustine Mitzen 08.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
i'm sorry, Jester, but i can't help it.. dude how many times.... that isn't A->B mixing or mixing at all... check this, A>B mixing all the way through and i'm not just mixing outros and intros lol, can you hear the difference? http://soundcloud.com/johney/ustreamin |
Latoria Kavulich 07.05.2013 | back on the original topic please. one more "vs" type post and this discussion is over. |
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