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What things should I get as a starting producer?
Posted on: 14.05.2013 by Dylan Kockler
Hey, you've probably seen my past threads asking which midi controller/keyboard to buy and might be believeing that these are one of those threads. But thankfully this isnt the case.

I've decided that instead of wasting my money getting a piece of hardware that I probably dont need yet wouldnt help me at all if I dont learn the software yet so I've opted out of getting any type of controller until I'm more confident in the software and can figure out what I will need to help my work flow.

I've already decided that I'm going to buy Ableton Live 9 Suite as my DAW of choice however the rest of the things I get are up in the air as to the order in which I should purchase them. I do not have the money to get them all at once and would each most likely need a months time before purchasing the next thing. This is where I need your help on which things would be most necessary/useful for me to produce with.

1. Ableton Live 9 Suite
?. KRK Rokit 6 G2 (2 of them)
?. A new desk to use for my workspace (my current one is rather tiny and only about 24 inches long)
?. NI Massive
?. Soundcard (I dont know anything about soundcards nor do I know what do they do or which one to get, help?)
?. Upgrade my laptop to a MacBook Pro


After Ableton, what order do you believe I should get the rest of the stuff? Also I need help on the soundcard as I stated earlier in this post. Thanks
Cindie Somoza
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by aseckel
I would recommend the DT990 Pro as well - they sound amazing, but they're open headphones so if you ever want to use them on an airplane or a bus or in a car, you're going to be able to hear everyone else through your cans. DT770's are a little more multi-purpose at the expense of being closed ear cans.

tldr: for producing in your room/studio DT990 pro, for anywhere else/even djing DT770 Pro
Yeah I was going to point out the difference between the 2 models, closed cans (770) can have a bassier effect, where it sounds as if it is amplifying the lower end, if you listen closely, it actually isn't, but it appears so because of the slower moving/resonating bass (due to them being closed). The ideal choice between the 770 and 990 is the 880, hah. They're semi-opened, so it sort of gives you the best of both, I guess.
Norbert Thysell
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by Ham
AKG K240 MKII Pro, Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro, would be my main 2 preferences.
I would recommend the DT990 Pro as well - they sound amazing, but they're open headphones so if you ever want to use them on an airplane or a bus or in a car, you're going to be able to hear everyone else through your cans. DT770's are a little more multi-purpose at the expense of being closed ear cans.

tldr: for producing in your room/studio DT990 pro, for anywhere else/even djing DT770 Pro
Dylan Kockler
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by Coldfuzion
Personally I believe the SOL's are trash . I don't mean it in a rude way, but that's how I feel about them. That's why I was just recommending other cans.
Oh no its not a problem at all, I dont have the Sol's YET I'm getting them as a bday present from my girlfriend however I'm able to change that around to a different pair of headphones. Would headphones suffice as a substitute for monitors for the time being?

Also I've been looking around at MacBook Pros for myself to get around Christmas time and I kinda wanted to ask for help on the specs

Would it be worth it to add the upgrade from 2.3GHz to 2.6GHz for use with production and DJing or is it unnecessary?

Also, would 4GB or RAM suffice or is the upgrade to 8GB of RAM worth it?
Cindie Somoza
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by Drade
Chicago, and those are better than Sol Republics for producing/djing?
You can get the 990s for like $150-180 then... and I really can't say as I have never used Sol Republics, I was merely throwing out another good headphone to try, the Beyerdynamics have an insanely flat frequency range (good for production, of course) and are very, very comfy, having a headphone that can be worn for a long period of time without hurting is always a plus, especially when you're in the zone ;-)
Cindie Somoza
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by Drade
Any other headphones that are better that are less than $300?
AKG K240 MKII Pro, Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro, would be my main 2 preferences.
Dylan Kockler
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by Coldfuzion
I wouldn't recommend buying the beats at full price. I got a discount cause my friends the manager at Bestbuy. Picked up the pro (which retail at $399) for $240. Since you have the Sols which you can DJ with I'd recommend the Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO which are under $200, and I've heard great things about them (however I haven't used em).
Are the Sols not good for producing?
Carlee Pickard
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by Drade
Between the Beats by Dre Mixr and Sol Republics Tracks HD which would you recommend?
Any other headphones that are better that are less than $300?
I wouldn't recommend buying the beats at full price. I got a discount cause my friends the manager at Bestbuy. Picked up the pro (which retail at $399) for $240. Since you have the Sols which you can DJ with I'd recommend the Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO which are under $200, and I've heard great things about them (however I haven't used em).
Roseline Canright
16.05.2013		I love my AIAIAI for both dj'ing and producing. LOUD and FULL range. Hit hard without any bass reverb that will make it sound muddy.

around $150-200
Cindie Somoza
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by aseckel
I would recommend the DT990 Pro as well - they sound amazing, but they're open headphones so if you ever want to use them on an airplane or a bus or in a car, you're going to be able to hear everyone else through your cans. DT770's are a little more multi-purpose at the expense of being closed ear cans.

tldr: for producing in your room/studio DT990 pro, for anywhere else/even djing DT770 Pro
Yeah I was going to point out the difference between the 2 models, closed cans (770) can have a bassier effect, where it sounds as if it is amplifying the lower end, if you listen closely, it actually isn't, but it appears so because of the slower moving/resonating bass (due to them being closed). The ideal choice between the 770 and 990 is the 880, hah. They're semi-opened, so it sort of gives you the best of both, I guess.
Norbert Thysell
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by Ham
AKG K240 MKII Pro, Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro, would be my main 2 preferences.
I would recommend the DT990 Pro as well - they sound amazing, but they're open headphones so if you ever want to use them on an airplane or a bus or in a car, you're going to be able to hear everyone else through your cans. DT770's are a little more multi-purpose at the expense of being closed ear cans.

tldr: for producing in your room/studio DT990 pro, for anywhere else/even djing DT770 Pro
Norbert Thysell
16.05.2013		Get the Beyerdynamic DT770 Pros. They sound way better than anything else in there price range. Actually the other option would be the Audio Technica M-50's - a matter of taste and aesthetics really. Go to a store and try them both on. I spent an hour listening to the same 3 tunes on both sets of cans. In fact, the only reason I actually made a decision was because I was going to be late to class hahaha.

Getting street-wear headphones will slow your production down. The DT's or the M50's will let you figure out your productions and last you a long time before you get monitors and after.
Dylan Kockler
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by Coldfuzion
Personally I believe the SOL's are trash . I don't mean it in a rude way, but that's how I feel about them. That's why I was just recommending other cans.
Oh no its not a problem at all, I dont have the Sol's YET I'm getting them as a bday present from my girlfriend however I'm able to change that around to a different pair of headphones. Would headphones suffice as a substitute for monitors for the time being?

Also I've been looking around at MacBook Pros for myself to get around Christmas time and I kinda wanted to ask for help on the specs

Would it be worth it to add the upgrade from 2.3GHz to 2.6GHz for use with production and DJing or is it unnecessary?

Also, would 4GB or RAM suffice or is the upgrade to 8GB of RAM worth it?
Carlee Pickard
16.05.2013		Personally I believe the SOL's are trash . I don't mean it in a rude way, but that's how I feel about them. That's why I was just recommending other cans.
Cindie Somoza
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by Drade
Chicago, and those are better than Sol Republics for producing/djing?
You can get the 990s for like $150-180 then... and I really can't say as I have never used Sol Republics, I was merely throwing out another good headphone to try, the Beyerdynamics have an insanely flat frequency range (good for production, of course) and are very, very comfy, having a headphone that can be worn for a long period of time without hurting is always a plus, especially when you're in the zone ;-)
Dylan Kockler
15.05.2013		Chicago, and those are better than Sol Republics for producing/djing?
Cindie Somoza
15.05.2013		Where are you located? The AKGs aren't under $200, but the Beyerdynamic's are.
Dylan Kockler
15.05.2013		I meant $200 or less, are there better headphones for producing/djing than th Sol Republic Tracks HD at that price range?
Cindie Somoza
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by Drade
Any other headphones that are better that are less than $300?
AKG K240 MKII Pro, Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro, would be my main 2 preferences.
Dylan Kockler
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by Coldfuzion
I wouldn't recommend buying the beats at full price. I got a discount cause my friends the manager at Bestbuy. Picked up the pro (which retail at $399) for $240. Since you have the Sols which you can DJ with I'd recommend the Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO which are under $200, and I've heard great things about them (however I haven't used em).
Are the Sols not good for producing?
Carlee Pickard
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by Drade
Between the Beats by Dre Mixr and Sol Republics Tracks HD which would you recommend?
Any other headphones that are better that are less than $300?
I wouldn't recommend buying the beats at full price. I got a discount cause my friends the manager at Bestbuy. Picked up the pro (which retail at $399) for $240. Since you have the Sols which you can DJ with I'd recommend the Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO which are under $200, and I've heard great things about them (however I haven't used em).
Dylan Kockler
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
You in the states? Because a "good desk" can be done for very cheap here.... I would say after the soft synths, as that is when you would be collecting gear and actually need some space.

The soundcard / audio interface is how the sound gets from the computer to your monitors. It can also be how you get external sounds like a mic or a Moog Synth (example) into the computer and the DAW...
Yea I'm in the states, I see what you're sating though about the desks
Efrain Scharr
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by Drade
Can you explain to me exactly what a soundcard is/used for?

Also where would you place a good desk on that list since my current one is quite small and shitty.
You in the states? Because a "good desk" can be done for very cheap here.... I would say after the soft synths, as that is when you would be collecting gear and actually need some space.

The soundcard / audio interface is how the sound gets from the computer to your monitors. It can also be how you get external sounds like a mic or a Moog Synth (example) into the computer and the DAW...
Dylan Kockler
15.05.2013		Between the Beats by Dre Mixr and Sol Republics Tracks HD which would you recommend?
Any other headphones that are better that are less than $300?
Carlee Pickard
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by Drade
Do you believe my Sol Republic Tracks HD would suffice or should I be intent on getting monitors as well?

LMAO btw thats the same exact desk I was looking at to buy

MacBook Pro tho would you say that the 13" 2.9GHz one is good or should I go for the 15" 2.3GHz
I've tried the Sol Republics and frankly I didn't like them at all. I'd say stay away from them. The thing that most people forget or do not take into account (LanceBlaise did) is that even with monitors acoustic treatment is important until you get used to the sound and understand the sound coming out of your monitors.

As for the MacBook, either will do. I picked the 15" cause at the time the Retina was only available as a 15" and I believe it's important to have a larger screen (well maybe not important, but it makes it WAY easier to work). Now, if you want a 13" for portability and to save you some money, that's perfectly fine and understandable but I would purchase a monitor (any that's like at or above 15" will do - pref. larger though) to go along with it. Actually after the desk my next purchase will probably be a 23" monitor to work on. It's just an easier way to work.


Edit: I also was leaning towards the 15" MBP cause I was at the time DJ'ing with Traktor, and fuck DJ'ing on a 13" screen.
Dylan Kockler
14.05.2013
Originally Posted by Coldfuzion
I use a Komplete Audio 6. Bought it cause it does the job well, and is cost effective. I believe you can get it now for like $200.

I have Rokit 6's, but to be honest I produce mainly in headphones. I use the Dre Beats Pro (FUCK off all of you - before it gets started. I like em), and also the AKG K702's.

To be honest, they're completely correct. I am actually looking for a desk now as well, it's highly reccomended to get a desk where you can fit at least a 49key keyboard infront of you and work comfortably. If you don't have monitor stands, you should definitely get a desk that fits that need as well.

I am planning on getting -> (it's marked down to $230 in store)
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Studio-T...06-i1919621.gc

And as for MacBook Pro, i've never produced on anything except the MacBook Pro (First was the early 2011 version and now it's the MAcBook Pro Retina 15'). I love it, I have no problems, it's rare that my CPU gets overloaded, and I always keep everything in MIDI while having the VSTs run as well - so im using a lot of CPU.

Hope this helps.
Do you believe my Sol Republic Tracks HD would suffice or should I be intent on getting monitors as well?

LMAO btw thats the same exact desk I was looking at to buy

MacBook Pro tho would you say that the 13" 2.9GHz one is good or should I go for the 15" 2.3GHz
Carlee Pickard
14.05.2013
Originally Posted by Drade
So can someone recommend me a good low price soundcard?
Also when it comes to the Rokit monitors what are the difference in number? (Ex: Rokit 6's or Rokit 's)
Should I get a good desk early on? How early?
Also what about the Macbook Pro question
I use a Komplete Audio 6. Bought it cause it does the job well, and is cost effective. I believe you can get it now for like $200.

I have Rokit 6's, but to be honest I produce mainly in headphones. I use the Dre Beats Pro (FUCK off all of you - before it gets started. I like em), and also the AKG K702's.

To be honest, they're completely correct. I am actually looking for a desk now as well, it's highly reccomended to get a desk where you can fit at least a 49key keyboard infront of you and work comfortably. If you don't have monitor stands, you should definitely get a desk that fits that need as well.

I am planning on getting -> (it's marked down to $230 in store)
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Studio-T...06-i1919621.gc

And as for MacBook Pro, i've never produced on anything except the MacBook Pro (First was the early 2011 version and now it's the MAcBook Pro Retina 15'). I love it, I have no problems, it's rare that my CPU gets overloaded, and I always keep everything in MIDI while having the VSTs run as well - so im using a lot of CPU.

Hope this helps.
Cindie Somoza
14.05.2013
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
So, just gonna throw this out there for you.. I would suggest getting a larger desk and keeping the monitors on th desk. You will most likely get terrible sound moving them onto a stand. Unless you have a serious studio then the sound will be terrible.
Could you elaborate on that... I don't see how it'll make a difference, considering I'll still have the same distance between both speakers and myself making an equal triangle and also having them off the wall... Mine are on stands on my desk right now and moving them (what'll probably end up being about 20cm to each side) makes me wonder what substantial change it'll make?

Also 'serious' studio? I'm guessing you mean a studio with proper acoustics?
Dylan Kockler
14.05.2013		So can someone recommend me a good low price soundcard?
Also when it comes to the Rokit monitors what are the difference in number? (Ex: Rokit 6's or Rokit 's)
Should I get a good desk early on? How early?
Also what about the Macbook Pro question
Carlee Pickard
14.05.2013
Originally Posted by MyUsername
lol, is that not exactly what I said ?
Jesus Christ. My brains not functioning. I somehow completely read over your bottom sentence. My bad .
Nereida Jasnoch
14.05.2013
Originally Posted by Coldfuzion
Additionally to what MyUsername said above, a SoundCard (a.k.a. your interface) will also allow you to connect external instruments and mics to record straight into your DAW (in your case Ableton).
lol, is that not exactly what I said ?
Carlee Pickard
14.05.2013		Additionally to what MyUsername said above, a SoundCard (a.k.a. your interface) will also allow you to connect external instruments and mics to record straight into your DAW (in your case Ableton).
Nereida Jasnoch
14.05.2013
Originally Posted by Drade
Can you explain to me exactly what a soundcard is/used for?
For a while I didn't have one. And I plugged my monitors straight into my MBP. That is bad thing to do. You 'll get a lof static and stuff.

A soundcard provides a quality connection for your monitors and volume control on the hardware. Having inputs is also nice if you want to record a DJ mix, a singer, plug in your guitar, sample a record,...
Dylan Kockler
14.05.2013
Originally Posted by synthet1c
Why would you spend $1500 on a laptop that doesn't really offer anything you can't do on windows when that money could buy you a studio and you could start producing... you can still get the laptop later
I was planning on getting the laptop at a later time, I was just wondering which model would be better
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
14.05.2013		Why would you spend $1500 on a laptop that doesn't really offer anything you can't do on windows when that money could buy you a studio and you could start producing... you can still get the laptop later
Dylan Kockler
14.05.2013		Which MacBook Pro would you guys recommend?

MBP 13" 2.9GHz
or
MBP 15" 2.3GHz

The brand new models you'd find on the Apple website
Dylan Kockler
14.05.2013
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
For the OP in order of importance.

Upgrade the Computer
DAW
Soundcard
Monitors
Soft Synths
25 Key Midi controller
Maschine - last only because you are new to producing.. if you knew what you were doig I would place the Maschine above the VSTs
Can you explain to me exactly what a soundcard is/used for?

Also where would you place a good desk on that list since my current one is quite small and shitty.
Augustina Zulu
14.05.2013		If you don't already have them I would also suggest a decent pair of cans. Most home studio folks I know arent able to properly condition the studio area and being able to fall back to headphones for details can be really helpful. The order you buy things depends on your priorities. If you're just learning the software and don't mind creating a few dozen throw away tracks go for software first and just listen on whatever you have and play around. When youre trying to mix down a final track is when you absolutely need proper monitors.
Efrain Scharr
14.05.2013		For the OP in order of importance.

Upgrade the Computer
DAW
Soundcard
Monitors
Soft Synths
25 Key Midi controller
Maschine - last only because you are new to producing.. if you knew what you were doig I would place the Maschine above the VSTs
Efrain Scharr
14.05.2013
Originally Posted by Ham
On the topic of new desk, I currently have my monitors on my desk and am looking into making stands that'll sit next to my desk to free up a lot of space on my desk for some new toys (technics 1200 and other devices).

So, just gonna throw this out there for you.. I would suggest getting a larger desk and keeping the monitors on th desk. You will most likely get terrible sound moving them onto a stand. Unless you have a serious studio then the sound will be terrible.
Evia Nitch
14.05.2013		Massive is JUST a software synth. Yes, it woks very well, but there are more. Ableton allready has lots too.

Massive is very tightly integrated with maschine. (Maschine packs contain lots of massive sounds). If you decide Maschine will be your synth of choice, Maschine is a very nice controller for it.

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