New Mac Pro
New Mac Pro Posted on: 10.06.2013 by Carlee Pickard I know there's a thread on the Apple Keynote thing, but this thread is dedicated only to the discussion of the new Mac Pro. I'm definitely interested and am seriously believeing about picking one up. I'd love to hear everyones thoughts on it. http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ | |
Dannie Dimora 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
The 580 still beats the 680 in, say, bitcoin mining. The 680 beats the 580 in games because of optimization. That is what i'm telling you. If you target something like this at pros that may not need dual VGAs, and you equip it with standard, money-wasting dual VGAs, you're either dumb or you don't care about your userbase at all. If everything was optimized to make use of the raw power the gpus have, i'd shut up. But like this? no. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Polygon
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Shawn Vanhaitsma 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
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Shawn Vanhaitsma 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
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Alphonso Deitchman 12.06.2013 | Yes, I am aware that the same GPU core is used in the consumer and professional cards. But certain features are disabled in addition to the driver differences on the consumer models. CUDA now completely sucks on the GeForce 600 series for example. |
Dannie Dimora 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Drivers, and ecc memory. That. You can accelerate rendering programs thru cuda just as well on geforces as you can on quadros. If you don't have optimization, price is a meaningless figure. |
Dannie Dimora 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by balakoth
On another note, I LOVE the typhoons, my 2nd rig has 5 of them and it's silent as a mosquito |
Alphonso Deitchman 12.06.2013 | 1200 certainly is a resolution, I'm using it right now. Connected to the computer I built from scratch.. 7970s are extremely cheap compared to the FirePros that will be used in the Pro. I really don't care that much about the machine, but it is unfair to compare it to a gaming rig you built at home. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Polygon
E5 Intel Xeon... But hey wahtever Makar is right, My higher spec machine cant out perform a lower spec machine.. because I some how use "consumer" products. You know, Asus, Intel, etc.. Apple sure doesnt use THOSE manufacturers.. do they.. ROFL.. Again hes going to lose this battle but not in his mind. He doesnt know Intel has an 8 core CPU, He doesnt know Apple doesnt provide monitors with their machine? (at a thousand piece.. woo hurray for 1440?) Cant win with people who refuse to accept |
Shawn Vanhaitsma 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
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Dannie Dimora 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
You are saying that because a 12mpx nikon d3s has less MPX than a 18mpx compact that makes it low end? |
Shawn Vanhaitsma 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Makar1 its fun to have you respond, because you have no idea what you are talking about. Yes I do use ECC Ram and I find it funny you really believe the difference in price is all that much. Perhaps you should build more computers from scratch instad of just doing alot of reading. 1080p are not below spec. 1the IPS panels are now top of the line, which run 700 to 800 bucks. Apples run $1200 and ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE PRICE OF A MAC PRO ALso as Slvr Dragon stated, my "Cheap" Consumer, Reference based cards are 7970s. Funny how they dont list what dual GPU they put in there, since from the Apple store you can still only put ATI Cards in there, and you would need to buy after market Quadros to go above my "Cheap" 6 GB total SLI setup.. None of the options to build a Mac Pro offer anything other than the ECC Ram you are so giddy about (Which provides absolutely no performance benefits). ATI Cards, Below Spec Intel Chips available on market, Just now getting on the SSD Bandwagon? Claiming PCIE SSD Can reach 1250mb? Sure Apple it can, once they develop flash memory that can write and read at that speed. PCIE SSD Drives still top out at SATA Speeds in sustained writes. You love Apple I get it Makar... but dont make yourself look like a fool when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. |
Alphonso Deitchman 12.06.2013 | Reference monitors lie in the tens of thousands price range. At 26" I would expect 1200p as a bare minimum, and 1440p ideally. |
Dannie Dimora 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Reference 1080p monitor? no? never heard of it? |
Alphonso Deitchman 12.06.2013 | Likewise, there's absolutely no reason to buy a Mac Pro if you want a gaming machine. |
Gaynell Rydberg 12.06.2013 | 7970s are not cheap... especially in crossfire w/ Komodo waterblocks. They're just geared towards gaming, not video processing. There's absolutely no reason to buy a Firepro if you aren't doing primarily video work. Why does having 'low end' monitors even matter? It's not like the Mac Pro is coming with Cinema Displays. I love how you just assume the worst about his build and just trash talk it down... |
Alphonso Deitchman 12.06.2013 | I'm not trying to be hateful here, just pointing out that using consumer specced components is not a fair comparison. And yes, 1080p is a consumer oriented spec. 1200p like you linked and above is what is used in decent monitors. |
Dannie Dimora 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Sorry to say this but, why do you fuck with everyone so much? If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that when it comes to opencl/opengl you have the same performance from "cheap" consumer oriented and pro oriented cards, if they share the same chip of course. Do you even know what ECC means? Please enlighten me without changing tabs and switching over to wikipedia to check what ecc memory is and where it is most crucial (hint: definitely not in a prosumer ecosystem towards which the mac pro is oriented) It's also clear from his post that,for 7.5k and that specs he cited, he must have used intel processors and not those bullcrap amd bulldozer chips (that by the way don't support dual cpu configs) (unless you're talking about amd's opteron offerings, that also suck balls. and to finish it off, 26inch at 1080p is "blatantly low end"? What about this 1200p measly 24" monitor? is it "blatantly low end" too? http://www.imagescience.com.au/produ...libration.html Now i'm sorry if i was rude in this post, it's just that you're becoming a bit too hateful towards...well... everyone here. |
Alphonso Deitchman 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by balakoth
I'm sure it works great but it's not exactly comparable overall. |
Gaynell Rydberg 12.06.2013 | JESUS. THAT COMPUTER BALAKOTH. And I thought the people over at Hard Forum were crazy with their builds... |
Dannie Dimora 12.06.2013 | HAHAHAHAHA I'M CURRENTLY DYING RIGHT HERE XD |
Dannie Dimora 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by balakoth
Yeah i just gave a random price there. Specced with top pf the line gfx this baby's going to come in at 12-13 if not more |
Shawn Vanhaitsma 12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Polygon
Try more than 7 8 K Polygon. When I was pricing Mac Pros vs building my custom machine, Apples highest spec possibility came in at 11.5k before monitors. This was 12 cores then as well. So their "later this year mac" isnt really much. Their new one is going to have to weigh in pretty heafty at even bottom end specs. I built 16 cores, Dual 7970s, 1TB SSD, Dual Closed Loop Watercooling, 64 GB of RAM for 7k, INCLUDING two 1080p 26 inch Monitors. For 7,200. If they can match or beat that with 12 cores, I guess they will be doing pretty good compared to their previous track record of pricing. DSCN0581.jpg |
Rolanda Clodfelder 11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by R01
Is that based on the refresh rate of the display, or is it the extra delay caused by Thunderbolt? The only thing I can find with searches is how TB has lower latency than USB.
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Trey Brune 11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
In any case, the tests make it hard to determine what to believe. He was playing back 192 tracks while recording 192 tracks at 48kHz, all at 128 buffer size (which is pretty darn small). He ended with 392 samples which is 8.16 MS of latency. He also goes on saying that considering the large I/O he couldn't go at 64 buffer size, and that using a beefier computer would have reduced the sample latency even more (claiming 24 samples apparently). In any case, 8 MS latency isn't too bad when mixing, but it won't be the first time I get an angry musician over talkback complaining about latency when tracking. If the guy from this post is true in his statement that you can decrease latency to something as low as 24 samples (with more processing power) then we can probably throw the whole "PCI-E has more latency" argument out. |
Alphonso Deitchman 11.06.2013 | Is that based on the refresh rate of the display, or is it the extra delay caused by Thunderbolt? The only thing I can find with searches is how TB has lower latency than USB. |
Rolanda Clodfelder 11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Yes arguably more latency pcie but for file transfers and constant data streaming it would negligible. |
Dannie Dimora 11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Why now, audio-related programs are less important than 3d rendering ones? Call it the Mac Pro Designer Edition then. The audio industry has run on mac for the past what, decade? Of course i expect apple to make such a product configurable! |
Alphonso Deitchman 11.06.2013 | Sorry, didn't mean to imply per card. Where are you getting information about Thunderbolt having significant latency vs regular PCIE? |
Dannie Dimora 11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
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Dannie Dimora 11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
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Alphonso Deitchman 11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Polygon
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Dannie Dimora 11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by GeekGod
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Dannie Dimora 11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by R01
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Dannie Dimora 11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
And last time i checked osx doesn't support any kind of gpgpu acceleration if not on the visual aspect of things. Ever saw protools or cubase accelerated with gpus? No? Really? |
Doreen Schurle 11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
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Alphonso Deitchman 11.06.2013 | When you repeatedly make baseless unsubstantiated claims on a variety of threads there's little left to do besides contradict with facts. You might want to look up the definition of "trolling" if you believe arguing and contradicting qualifies while your so-called humour does not. |
Doreen Schurle 11.06.2013 | My comments about it looking like a bin? It's called humour. And my last few posts have been informational regarding Thunderbolt and the specifications of the unit. You know, actually contributing to the discussion. All YOU do is just contradict every post I make on here, usually dragging Reloop into it somewhere like over on the Z1 thread. It's getting old, and it's not helping anyone else on this community . Either pack it in, or go troll on Reddit. |
Qiana Castellucci 11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
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Alphonso Deitchman 11.06.2013 | How would you describe your initial posts to the thread then? |
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