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Whats the main difference between monitor systems and PA systems?
Posted on: 13.06.2013 by Danuta Keyton
I hear lots of talk about small monitors such as those made by krk and pioneer as well as the small 8 to 12 inch subs that you can couple them with. I was looking at a 10 in krk sub and saw that it cost around $400. My question is, for that kind of price, what is the advantage to these smaller monitors when you could get a full size PA system such as a behringer b215 and a b1500d subwoofer for a similar price

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and why?
Dannie Dimora
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
of course in reality those amps are really gonna give you like 1500w but that's still good! one time in a freak situation the guys in the behringer test room got the amp to peak at 2500 and they were like.. "hey lets slap 2500 on theese things" hahahaha you know its true!!
Of course i know that :P but still, 2500 peak inuke power would mean something around 1700 cont. (1400w of the b1800d mean around 850rms, so around 1700w on these would be my guesstimate), but 1700 is still damn good!
Originally Posted by makar1
As usual, there are no power ratings besides peak for Behringer's speakers. Continuous power for the iNuke "3000w" amp is 300w/8ohm and 600w/4ohm...

I'm leaning towards the Yamaha DXR series just now as they seem comparable to the QSCs at a much lower price.
Lawl @300w. Where are you getting that figure from? It's rated 3000 at 4ohm, and it puts out about 1300, which os sure far from what they advertised, but very far from the 300 you mentioned, too.

I guess we'll hear when they come out, with all the companies they bought (klark turbosound etc) they should be exceptional cabs especially at the price they're offered at (799 for the 15, i believe 399 for the 8)
Lannie Kutay
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
The whole range is! All connectable thru aes50, sharable dsp settings, all models (yeah, even the 8") have 2500W frickin amps in them.

I'd love a dual iQ15+ dual iQ18s mobile setup, it would be insane!
of course in reality those amps are really gonna give you like 1500w but that's still good! one time in a freak situation the guys in the behringer test room got the amp to peak at 2500 and they were like.. "hey lets slap 2500 on theese things" hahahaha you know its true!!
Dannie Dimora
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
dude those are f'ing insane!!!
The whole range is! All connectable thru aes50, sharable dsp settings, all models (yeah, even the 8") have 2500W frickin amps in them.

I'd love a dual iQ15+ dual iQ18s mobile setup, it would be insane!
Lannie Kutay
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/iQ15.aspx
dude those are f'ing insane!!!
Dannie Dimora
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by ekwipt
Ceck out the QSC K8s, I'm using them in my lounge room and they sound great
So he's searching for a pair of 15" fullrange speakers and you suggest a pair of 8"? :P
Dannie Dimora
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
I'm actually looking around for some 15" fullrange speakers, but the new Eurolive reviews seem a little worrying.
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/iQ15.aspx
Dannie Dimora
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by Klaxsis
The new Behringer range is very good. The Eurolive series and above.
Just wait until the iQ series comes out, now THAT will be good speakers.
Dannie Dimora
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
This.
Whoa, that was unexpected! You two agreeing on something? Am i dreaming?
Just kidding :P keep up the good vibe!
Dannie Dimora
15.06.2013		the b1800d has also a d-class, switching PSU amp, it's just not branded as inuke.
Alphonso Deitchman
15.06.2013		The iQ speakers have the iNuke amps inside, hence the name.
Dannie Dimora
15.06.2013		I must have misread the stereo on that article, sorry for that.
But i have seen no other measurements of internal amps of behringer cabs, except for the 1400peak/850rms test of the b1800d, so i still believe these badboys will be a massive competitor to the DXRs, PRXs and QSCs
Alphonso Deitchman
14.06.2013		http://www.diyaudio.com/community s/class...surements.html

From pg 2:

Behringer lists these specs in the iNuke 3000 DSP brochure.

http://www.behringer.com/assets/NU10...ebBrochure.pdf

NU3000:
RMS
Stereo
-------
8 Ohm per channel, stereo 315 W
4 Ohm per channel, stereo 620 W
2 Ohm per channel, stereo 1040 W
Page 10 of this brochure:
http://www.behringer.com/assets/NU10...ebBrochure.pdf
Dannie Dimora
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
of course in reality those amps are really gonna give you like 1500w but that's still good! one time in a freak situation the guys in the behringer test room got the amp to peak at 2500 and they were like.. "hey lets slap 2500 on theese things" hahahaha you know its true!!
Of course i know that :P but still, 2500 peak inuke power would mean something around 1700 cont. (1400w of the b1800d mean around 850rms, so around 1700w on these would be my guesstimate), but 1700 is still damn good!
Originally Posted by makar1
As usual, there are no power ratings besides peak for Behringer's speakers. Continuous power for the iNuke "3000w" amp is 300w/8ohm and 600w/4ohm...

I'm leaning towards the Yamaha DXR series just now as they seem comparable to the QSCs at a much lower price.
Lawl @300w. Where are you getting that figure from? It's rated 3000 at 4ohm, and it puts out about 1300, which os sure far from what they advertised, but very far from the 300 you mentioned, too.

I guess we'll hear when they come out, with all the companies they bought (klark turbosound etc) they should be exceptional cabs especially at the price they're offered at (799 for the 15, i believe 399 for the 8)
Alphonso Deitchman
14.06.2013		As usual, there are no power ratings besides peak for Behringer's speakers. Continuous power for the iNuke "3000w" amp is 300w/8ohm and 600w/4ohm...

I'm leaning towards the Yamaha DXR series just now as they seem comparable to the QSCs at a much lower price.
Lannie Kutay
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
The whole range is! All connectable thru aes50, sharable dsp settings, all models (yeah, even the 8") have 2500W frickin amps in them.

I'd love a dual iQ15+ dual iQ18s mobile setup, it would be insane!
of course in reality those amps are really gonna give you like 1500w but that's still good! one time in a freak situation the guys in the behringer test room got the amp to peak at 2500 and they were like.. "hey lets slap 2500 on theese things" hahahaha you know its true!!
Dannie Dimora
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
dude those are f'ing insane!!!
The whole range is! All connectable thru aes50, sharable dsp settings, all models (yeah, even the 8") have 2500W frickin amps in them.

I'd love a dual iQ15+ dual iQ18s mobile setup, it would be insane!
Lannie Kutay
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/iQ15.aspx
dude those are f'ing insane!!!
Rochel Gleese
14.06.2013		Struggling to read where he said he wanted full range speekers, he said what's the difference between various KRKs and a Sub towards getting full on PA speakers, and he also mentioned having parties at home.

The QSC K8s would work in this regard and that's why i mentioned them, I had a kick on at my apartment a couple of weeks ago and we had them at fairly low volumes and they sounded great
Dannie Dimora
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by ekwipt
Ceck out the QSC K8s, I'm using them in my lounge room and they sound great
So he's searching for a pair of 15" fullrange speakers and you suggest a pair of 8"? :P
Dannie Dimora
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
I'm actually looking around for some 15" fullrange speakers, but the new Eurolive reviews seem a little worrying.
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/iQ15.aspx
Dannie Dimora
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by Klaxsis
The new Behringer range is very good. The Eurolive series and above.
Just wait until the iQ series comes out, now THAT will be good speakers.
Dannie Dimora
14.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
This.
Whoa, that was unexpected! You two agreeing on something? Am i dreaming?
Just kidding :P keep up the good vibe!
Rochel Gleese
14.06.2013		Ceck out the QSC K8s, I'm using them in my lounge room and they sound great
Ara Tima
13.06.2013
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
The Behringer Truth monitors have had pretty favorable reviews and they've been out for a while.
Only good reviews I've read of those is regarding the price... They're about on par with the KRKs... Cheap/good value lower end monitors...
Gaynell Rydberg
13.06.2013		The Behringer Truth monitors have had pretty favorable reviews and they've been out for a while.
Doreen Schurle
13.06.2013		Basically, anything with the yellow triangle logo on the front is decent. The older ones had a silver triangle, and weren't as good, and the even older ones are piss-poor.
Darlene Strohbeck
13.06.2013		I'm still skeptical. "Recently" being good is still worrisome to me.
Grace Gatica
13.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
I'm actually looking around for some 15" fullrange speakers, but the new Eurolive reviews seem a little worrying.
Don't know what reviews you've been reading. Before i bought mine i researched them thoroughly and a vast majority of reviews were positive. I've borrowed mine out to other Dj's and events here and they also said they were surprised by how good they are.
Alphonso Deitchman
13.06.2013		I'm actually looking around for some 15" fullrange speakers, but the new Eurolive reviews seem a little worrying.
Grace Gatica
13.06.2013
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned Behringer is a low quality brand compared to KRK.
The new Behringer range is very good. The Eurolive series and above.
Doreen Schurle
13.06.2013
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned Behringer is a low quality brand compared to KRK.
Apples and oranges. The recent Behringer PAs are actually pretty good. We've got one in the booth at my midweek residency, and it's WAY better than the older series Behringer PAs that we've got out on the floor.
Alphonso Deitchman
13.06.2013		Rokits are very low end monitors too.
Darlene Strohbeck
13.06.2013		I'm surprised that nobody mentioned Behringer is a low quality brand compared to KRK.
Doreen Schurle
13.06.2013		Depending on the size of your place, a decent stereo amp (Sony, Yamaha, Pioneer, Denon, Marantz, etc) from the late 80s-late 90s offering up around 2x100W into 6/8 ohms, and a pair of Mordaunt Short, Mission, Wharfedale, Celestion or Tannoy speakers of equivalent rating will be perfect unless your place is literally MASSIVE.

Even if you're young and are having a "Skins"-type party where there's like 150 people in a 4 bedroom house, then they'll probably enjoy it more than a evening at a local club lol. One thing I WILL say, however, is unless you've got a pair of "proper" floorstanders (at least 4ft tall), it's worth raising them somehow; either using speaker stands or some sort of table. Keeping them close to the wall will help boost the lower frequencies, although a decent pair of hifi speakers (with 6-8" drivers) should push down into sub territory anyway, especially at higher volumes.

Most stereo amplifiers have some sort of auxiliary out, usually "Tape Rec" or "MD Rec", which you can use to pipe your master signal into other rooms, which - as I said earlier - can be served using something smaller like a micro/mini hi-fi; the sort you can usually find in charity shops and car boot sales for
Alphonso Deitchman
13.06.2013		How many people do you expect to have in your house parties?
Danuta Keyton
13.06.2013		can you give me an example of a typical hifi system you would use for a house party then?
Doreen Schurle
13.06.2013		Exactly. I edited my post above while you guys were posting
Alphonso Deitchman
13.06.2013		Monitors have flat response for accuracy when producing and mastering music.
Danuta Keyton
13.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
This.

Neither will be particularly enjoyable for listening to music at home. Hifi speakers and an amplifier all day long.
I thought that home use was what monitors were intended for... You'd want to use PA speakers for gigs so then what would be the purpose of monitors?
Doreen Schurle
13.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Monitors are designed to have a flat frequency response. PA speakers are designed to be loud.
This.

Neither will be particularly enjoyable for listening to music at home. Hifi speakers and an amplifier all day long.

Simple answer: For home use: if you're a producer, get monitors, if you're a DJ, get hifi speakers.

PA speakers should only ever be used when performing for large groups of people. Note: this does NOT include house parties. For house parties, you want an amp in the living room with some floorstanders, and a micro/mini-hifi with line-in in the kitchen. Total set-up cost: <

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