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My First Gig - This Saturday! Posted on: 15.06.2013 by Ashlyn Gaulrapp I am going to be playing my first live set this Saturday at my friend's Graduation Party. I have my music all set up but I don't have all the gear needed to DJ live yet. I am going to be playing in my friends basement, and she has a Bose Surround Sound system... Now I know it's not the best choice to DJ on home theater systems but that's all she has has and she doesn't want to rent speakers. Is it OK if I connect and play a gig on her system? I don't want to blow them out. I have: - Numark 4Trak - Dell Laptop (My current Set-Up) http://community .djranking s.com/showthr...175#post624175 Any suggestions and advice would be great! As well as any other advice on beginner DJ sets and music suggestions for graduation parties. Thanks
Doreen Schurle 20.06.2013	Originally Posted by tokenasianguy I was talking about the latency between the sound wave leaving a speaker and entering your ear which can be variable can't it? If the speaker is further, the latency would be longer, would it not? Yes, the latency increases by 0.3ms every meter you are away from the speaker. EDIT: 3ms, sorry. Missed the decimal place in my math :P
Darlene Strohbeck 20.06.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Yes, but only if it's used sensibly/in accordance with the laws of physics To clarify, the ONLY way this would even make the smallest bit of sense is if you were outputting S/PDIF and the surround processor had a DSP in it which took its sweet ass time decoding the signal. Sound waves themselves have a latency of 0.3ms/m, incidentally. I was talking about the latency between the sound wave leaving a speaker and entering your ear which can be variable can't it? If the speaker is further, the latency would be longer, would it not?
Doreen Schurle 20.06.2013	Originally Posted by tokenasianguy Yeah. BTW "latency" is a general term that can be used for anything... Yes, but only if it's used sensibly/in accordance with the laws of physics To clarify, the ONLY way this would even make the smallest bit of sense is if you were outputting S/PDIF and the surround processor had a DSP in it which took its sweet ass time decoding the signal. Sound waves themselves have a latency of 0.3ms/m, incidentally.
Darlene Strohbeck 20.06.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign "Latency in the sound waves"... wut? Yeah. BTW "latency" is a general term that can be used for anything...
Darlene Strohbeck 20.06.2013	Originally Posted by Nitrotix How much Latency can it produce? If Its not nearly instant, I just won't do sudden drops... Enough to make it impossible to manually beatmatch. Again, I haven't been able to confirm this, as my system is the only surround system I've played on.
Darlene Strohbeck 20.06.2013	Originally Posted by Nitrotix she has a Bose Surround Sound system... Have you ever tried to mix on a surround sound system? I used to have one, and it was impossible to beatmatch while using one of the surround speakers as a monitor. I assume it had something to do with the latency in the sound waves since it was a 5.1 system. I've never been able to confirm this, but I would consider this before stepping into this situation and realizing you can't beatmatch because of a delay. However all this was in the days of manual beatmatching, so I guess with Traktor's "sync" it doesn't matter.
Dannie Dimora 17.06.2013	Originally Posted by The Mighty FV hahahah I remember these...and also attempting to make my first tracks on dance eJay! HAHAHAH i remember i once got several ejay discs inside cereal boxes xD Being used to cubase i was excited about this "djing" thing at the time, i rememeber my disappointment when i installed the things :P
Ashlyn Gaulrapp 23.06.2013	Just got back from my first Gig Everything went great! The Bose system worked wonders. Very loud and clear Bass, and the speakers held out all evening ! People loved my music and mixing! I just need some more Spanish & Polish music (Personal, but any Suggestions?) Thanks for all the tips so far, DJ Tech Tools! Hope to get more advice and tips to make my next gig even better
Hellen Mindrup 20.06.2013	Buy some cheap monitors
Ashlyn Gaulrapp 20.06.2013	Yeah, I tried it on my home Theater System here at home and there's no noticeable latency if I put it on stereo but virtual surround is a bit slow.
Ethel Feigum 20.06.2013	I believe the 'latency' being referred to here concerning surround sound systems is due in part to the delays built into a 5.1 system. By setting the receiver to 'stereo' or a dolby 2.1 preset you shouldn't have that problem. At least that's been my experience with home systems...
Doreen Schurle 20.06.2013	Originally Posted by tokenasianguy I was talking about the latency between the sound wave leaving a speaker and entering your ear which can be variable can't it? If the speaker is further, the latency would be longer, would it not? Yes, the latency increases by 0.3ms every meter you are away from the speaker. EDIT: 3ms, sorry. Missed the decimal place in my math :P
Augustine Mitzen 20.06.2013	cool story bro
Darlene Strohbeck 20.06.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Yes, but only if it's used sensibly/in accordance with the laws of physics To clarify, the ONLY way this would even make the smallest bit of sense is if you were outputting S/PDIF and the surround processor had a DSP in it which took its sweet ass time decoding the signal. Sound waves themselves have a latency of 0.3ms/m, incidentally. I was talking about the latency between the sound wave leaving a speaker and entering your ear which can be variable can't it? If the speaker is further, the latency would be longer, would it not?
Doreen Schurle 20.06.2013	Originally Posted by tokenasianguy Yeah. BTW "latency" is a general term that can be used for anything... Yes, but only if it's used sensibly/in accordance with the laws of physics To clarify, the ONLY way this would even make the smallest bit of sense is if you were outputting S/PDIF and the surround processor had a DSP in it which took its sweet ass time decoding the signal. Sound waves themselves have a latency of 0.3ms/m, incidentally.
Darlene Strohbeck 20.06.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign "Latency in the sound waves"... wut? Yeah. BTW "latency" is a general term that can be used for anything...
Doreen Schurle 20.06.2013	"Latency in the sound waves"... wut?
Darlene Strohbeck 20.06.2013	Originally Posted by Nitrotix How much Latency can it produce? If Its not nearly instant, I just won't do sudden drops... Enough to make it impossible to manually beatmatch. Again, I haven't been able to confirm this, as my system is the only surround system I've played on.
Ashlyn Gaulrapp 20.06.2013	How much Latency can it produce? If Its not nearly instant, I just won't do sudden drops...
Darlene Strohbeck 20.06.2013	Originally Posted by Nitrotix she has a Bose Surround Sound system... Have you ever tried to mix on a surround sound system? I used to have one, and it was impossible to beatmatch while using one of the surround speakers as a monitor. I assume it had something to do with the latency in the sound waves since it was a 5.1 system. I've never been able to confirm this, but I would consider this before stepping into this situation and realizing you can't beatmatch because of a delay. However all this was in the days of manual beatmatching, so I guess with Traktor's "sync" it doesn't matter.
Ashlyn Gaulrapp 20.06.2013	Great way to ignore requests! ^_^ Also, concerning my set-up. I already have another Graduation Party in July, and i was able to borrow unpowered JBL speakers... But no mixer. What would I need to run a successful set-up... (Specific gear) I have a 4Trak, do I need another mixer? And what type of XLR cables? I have no clue
Jerica Salava 17.06.2013	Watch the drinks over the gear. Don't let people hold there beers/cocktails over the gear as they drunkenly try to talk to you. If someone makes a request say: ROUND 1: "Yes. I believe I have that." ROUND 2: "It's coming up." ROUND 3: "You didn't hear it?" Don't tell people "No" unless you have a bouncer/security guard/MMA friend withing 10 feet. >
Ashlyn Gaulrapp 17.06.2013	Thanks for the advice! I'm gonna take a chance with her sound system... I told her that the music won't be extremely loud, and she's fine with that, Hopefully all goes well Thanks!
Dannie Dimora 17.06.2013	Originally Posted by The Mighty FV hahahah I remember these...and also attempting to make my first tracks on dance eJay! HAHAHAH i remember i once got several ejay discs inside cereal boxes xD Being used to cubase i was excited about this "djing" thing at the time, i rememeber my disappointment when i installed the things :P
Joesph Kasian 17.06.2013	Originally Posted by sarasin LOOOL...Same here. Remember Virtual Turntables? And PCDJ? Oh GAWD! hahahah I remember these...and also attempting to make my first tracks on dance eJay!
Lilliana Perris 17.06.2013	Originally Posted by Jester i used mouse, keyboard and a creaky old desktop at my first parties mate. you will be fine (not too may controllers around back in the day) Suggestion: make it clear before you start that you have no responisbility whatsoever for the stereo. that way your ass is covered when the inevitable occurs. which it will. LOOOL...Same here. Remember Virtual Turntables? And PCDJ? Oh GAWD!
Marshall Aby 16.06.2013	Well he should be good to go then
Dannie Dimora 16.06.2013	Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle I'm not familiar with Bose a/v. I'm just saying I've used home theatre gear that has added enough latency that has made it impossible to mix with one ear in, one ear out, that I've remedied this by changing the a/v to a source direct mode. I am because i have a system home and it's the third one i've had (not of the aforementioned adaptiq range tho, so i cannot comment on that) I know i can game perfectly on my old 40" samsung via hdmi with no seeable latency at all
Marshall Aby 16.06.2013	I'm not familiar with Bose a/v. I'm just saying I've used home theatre gear that has added enough latency that has made it impossible to mix with one ear in, one ear out, that I've remedied this by changing the a/v to a source direct mode. This has happened on more than one occassion, and I thought it might be of use to the OP.
Dannie Dimora 16.06.2013	Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle Yeah, most a/v gear has 'audio delay' settings buried in the preferences somewhere for this reason. AFAIK bose doesn't use anything more than just an eq on most of their range except the ADAPTiQ stuff, which has phase and delay compensation in software. I still don't believe that would add so much latency that he could not do basic mixing (it's his first time, come on, do you believe he's going to scratch and cuejuggle? :P) Also, isn't audio delay a function that can be applied to different speakers placed at different distances from the listener differently to make timing coherent between the speakers?
Marshall Aby 16.06.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon You mean the processing of the video? Yeah, most a/v gear has 'audio delay' settings buried in the preferences somewhere for this reason.
Dannie Dimora 16.06.2013	Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle Well, there's no requirement for home cinema audio systems to be low latency because video typically takes a lot longer than audio. I've had them catch me out before. Wut? What do you mean? You mean the processing of the video? Because with the last 3-4 generations of panels that has gone down to very, very low. Take gaming for example. You're talking about something like 30ms from input to output, depending on the panel and the processing. Considering some home cinemas have considerable distance between the speakers, speed of sound also comes in the equation. So i believe that audio has to be low latency even with this kind of products.
Marshall Aby 16.06.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon Those things are meant for home cinema. Well, there's no requirement for home cinema audio systems to be low latency because video typically takes a lot longer to decode than audio. I've had them catch me out before, thought the OP should know.
Dannie Dimora 16.06.2013	Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle Make sure the BOSE isn't doing any fancy digital processing to your audio, as this'll introduce latency into your master output and force you to mix entirely in your headphones. Those things are meant for home cinema. There's minimal DSP processing and even then it's a matter of a couple of milliseconds max. So latency shouldn't be a problem really. Just check your levels.
Marshall Aby 16.06.2013	Make sure the BOSE isn't doing any fancy digital processing to your audio, as this'll introduce latency into your master output and force you to mix entirely in your headphones.
Joesph Kasian 16.06.2013	All great advice from everyone above - have an amazing time mate, but be careful and make sure you keep your eye on your gear at all times, regardless of how trustworthy everyone looks at a party the pretty-pretty-shiny-shiny things will grab someones eye.
Ethel Feigum 16.06.2013	+1! And don't be afraid to tell people no when they request songs you don't have/don't want to play. You aren't their jukebox! Have fun, don't get too drunk, and let us know how it goes!
Doreen Schurle 16.06.2013	Originally Posted by Jester Suggestion: make it clear before you start that you have no responisbility whatsoever for the stereo. that way your ass is covered when the inevitable occurs. which it will. This. Even better, let the host be in control over the volume levels. That way there's NO way they can blame you whatsoever. I even do this - to a certain extent - in clubs. I ask the venue to pre-set the maximum volume for the evening during sound check / system test, then start off lower and raise it throughout the evening , never beyond that maximum. If something blows, that way it's not my fault.
Latoria Kavulich 16.06.2013	i used mouse, keyboard and a creaky old desktop at my first parties mate. you will be fine (not too may controllers around back in the day) Suggestion: make it clear before you start that you have no responisbility whatsoever for the stereo. that way your ass is covered when the inevitable occurs. which it will.
Thomasina Cerminaro 15.06.2013	That is a nice start to it.

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