Seth Troxler fires shots @ Avicii

Yeah, but this is the exact point people are trying to make: there IS a clear difference between all these roles (DJ/producer/performer) and Seth of all people should know this. He's calling out someone who in in a different ROLE, who is arguably better (or, again, at least more successful) at playing that role than Seth is. No doubt Seth is a superior DJ in every way, but Avicii isn't trying to be that kind of DJ. He doesn't pretend to have any of Seth's technical skills when mixing live. He performs songs he produced for giant crowds, and that requires minimal DJ skills. His target audience obviously doesn't care, so it's not like he is stealing potential fans away from Seth. So, attacking a performer/producer who isn't a club DJ for lacking club DJ skills (that he wouldn't use anyway) is meaningless.

Hell, real classically trained pianists could call out producers for using midi with softsynths for their productions, calling them shitty piano players. They should play all their chords/riffs live rather than sequencing, right? Real drummers could criticize people who use Maschine to produce beats, because they don't really have the technical skills to play real drums.

I believe the entire industry needs to relax and realize that successful "performer DJs" aren't a threat to anyone, and are nothing new. Every genre of music in every generation has gone through a "crisis" where something was supposedly going to destroy real/good music forever. It never happens, and it never will.

I had a camera in my tummy (down my throat) yesterday and one of the pre-procedure questions was:
"Have you ever been diagnosed with C.D.J the human form of 'mad cows disease'.

True story.

[it hurt]

Yeah, but this is the exact point people are trying to make: there IS a clear difference between all these roles (DJ/producer/performer) and Seth of all people should know this. He's calling out someone who in in a different ROLE, who is arguably better (or, again, at least more successful) at playing that role than Seth is. No doubt Seth is a superior DJ in every way, but Avicii isn't trying to be that kind of DJ. He doesn't pretend to have any of Seth's technical skills when mixing live. He performs songs he produced for giant crowds, and that requires minimal DJ skills. His target audience obviously doesn't care, so it's not like he is stealing potential fans away from Seth. So, attacking a performer/producer who isn't a club DJ for lacking club DJ skills (that he wouldn't use anyway) is meaningless.

Hell, real classically trained pianists could call out producers for using midi with softsynths for their productions, calling them shitty piano players. They should play all their chords/riffs live rather than sequencing, right? Real drummers could criticize people who use Maschine to produce beats, because they don't really have the technical skills to play real drums.

I believe the entire industry needs to relax and realize that successful "performer DJs" aren't a threat to anyone, and are nothing new. Every genre of music in every generation has gone through a "crisis" where something was supposedly going to destroy real/good music forever. It never happens, and it never will.

Is it time yet?

I had a camera in my tummy (down my throat) yesterday and one of the pre-procedure questions was:
"Have you ever been diagnosed with C.D.J the human form of 'mad cows disease'.

True story.

[it hurt]

Seth Troxler is a dick, i've watched a few videos of his in the last few days, total dick.

Makes some good tracks, nothing phenomenal

and he's not an amazing dj, he mixes two tracks

I didn't see any crazy skills in that video... I saw galloping of the first five or six tracks, use of the delay and reverb to make buildup's and some cool deep house tracks. Nothing really technical about it. I don't even believe he had the crowd too interested in the music for most of it, he must not have been the headliner or the popularization of dance music in the US filled the room with people that don't really belong there... He can thank EDM DJ/Producers for that.

People aren't quite getting "there" imo.

You can say Avicii is an extremely successful producer, because he is. You can't say he is a great producer, because he isn't.

I am really surprised that on the Worlds leading DJ Forum (At least for me) people don't know who Seth Troxler is. The man is a world class DJ, been spinning for years, and even though I am not a fan of the music he spins, he puts on awesome sets evening after evening .

I believe people really don't understand the concept differences between DJ - Producer - Performer.

DJ's are people like Hawtin, Dubfire, Locodice, Carl Cox, Jeff Mills, etc.

Producers are people like Deadmau5, Daft Punk, Avicii's, etc

Performers are people like Deadmau5, Daft Punk, Steve Aoki, David Guetta, Hardwell, Swedish House Mafia, etc.


DJ's spin records to make people dance. They create a evening . They are trapped on DJ Booths somewhere.

Producers are the ones who make the records that DJ's spin. They are closed in a room somewhere.

Performers are the ones who pretend to DJ (or assume they don't DJ at all like Deadmau5), and do awesome live light and entertainment shows.


PS- On the Avicii "topic", like Deadmau5 said, name one Nexus preset he hasn't still used to make a song. LOL

Lot of these big acts couldn't spin a set of records to save their lives

These legit acts don't necessary mean that they're more enjoyable. For example, I quite like Dubfire, but I'd much rather listen to a simple vinyl set by Ben UFO who's obviously not doing as much as him, just playing good tunes.

No. The problem is that you believe a good DJ is a DJ who excels technically. If you want to hit it big in the music world, you NEED to be able to produce. There's very few DJs out there who aren't actively producing big hits. How can you say they're getting big venues because of image and brand?

All of the top DJs you love to trash (Hardwell, Afrojack, Avicii, SHM) ALL produce huge hits getting them millions of dollars. They might not be as technical as Laidback Luke (and I'm sure most of them will admit that), but they're still putting on fantastic shows for the people attending. Who are you to judge them for their shows? If the crowd enjoys it, then they are doing their job.

Talent is VERY subjective.