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Xone: DB4- the official unofficial thread

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Xone: DB4- the official unofficial thread Posted on: 18.10.2011 by Romelia Stankard (former thread title Xone: DB4- convince me not to sell off my possessions and drain my bank account) I mean it's just a mixer, nothing I should sell my S4 and some other expensive possessions for and drain my bank account completely for... right? I am having a hard time with this decision. I know it won't make me a better DJ, yet it gives me the urge to make irrational spending decisions. Please talk me out of it.
Shaniqua Tisa 08.03.2012	Thanks, man. Simplicity is key for me, and this setup is pretty damn simple. Well, the DB4 isn't exactly simple.
Romelia Stankard 08.03.2012	Uhh yeah no screws in mine. Strange. These are built in the UK too... I'm so jealous of those CDJs that really looks like the absolute perfect setup. I just can't justify dropping that much money on CDJs when I could put it towards synths and studio gear. At some point in the future my setup will look like that.
Shaniqua Tisa 08.03.2012	Mixer was delivered today. It'll take a while to wrap my head around everything this beast can do. I was a bit worried when I first took it out of the padded bag and enclosed plastic wrap, however. Upon picking it up for the first time, it sounded like there were ball bearings rolling around inside the casing. My first thought was, "great, it's probably bricked....." But after firing it up and cranking up some tunes, it seems all is well. I've tested everything I know to test and it seems to function properly. The sound is definitely different/warm and smooooooth compared to my DJM-800. There's just so much to do/learn/try/etc, but I'm looking forward to getting familiar with the DB4 like I was with the 800. I'm in the process of re-arranging my office so I've still got my decks and mixer in a coffin case. They'll be soon positioned in a more open/displayable manner. And these are the screws that literally fell out of the metal casing when I removed the backplate. Think I should be worried? There's not a whole lot to see with the backplate removed and I couldn't find anywhere that seemed to be missing 3 philips head screws. I got this from ProAudioStar and I know there's been some quality control issues... but it functions properly and I'd honestly rather not send it back, although I'm fairly certain they're not supposed to come from the factory with loose screws floating around the internals.
Dorie Scelzo 08.03.2012	I mean…that's how it can do that. I still believe it's a dumber solution than actually having inputs like every other mixer and using multi-cores or something like them. But…I still believe that DVS sound cards should just use D-Sub connectors……it'd be more annoying if you forget your cable, but……well…meh.
Romelia Stankard 08.03.2012	Originally Posted by MaxOne You don't need laptop connected with an audio 10. Audio thru kicks in automatically with no laptop connected... Which is nice Oh it does? very good to know I was wondering this, glad they at least included that. too bad it still needs power.
Hipolito Scionti 08.03.2012	Originally Posted by bumtsch Just a quick thing about multicores vs software thru... when your laptop decides to go tits up mid-set, it's nice to just slap on some vinyl and flick a switch. It's a pain in the ass to connect when other people are playing, with dodgy lighting, but I don't believe I'm the only one who packs multicores and some real wax just in case? ("bring a cd" is not valid when the place you're playing only has TTs!). You don't need laptop connected with an audio 10. Audio thru kicks in automatically with no laptop connected... Which is nice
Kiyoko Wellisch 08.03.2012	Originally Posted by djproben How about a separate DB4 community on this site, or at least a community about digital mixers generally that would also allow sharing of tips about the DNX-1600/1700, the DDM4000, the Evo5, the various Pios, etc.? If this thread got to 65 pages there's at least a few interesting comments buried in here, it would be nice if stuff like that was easier to find. That sounds like it would be very interesting.
Delila Vandommelen 08.03.2012	Just a quick thing about multicores vs software thru... when your laptop decides to go tits up mid-set, it's nice to just slap on some vinyl and flick a switch. It's a pain in the ass to connect when other people are playing, with dodgy lighting, but I don't believe I'm the only one who packs multicores and some real wax just in case? ("bring a cd" is not valid when the place you're playing only has TTs!).
Dorie Scelzo 08.03.2012	Agreed. Computers are awesome in that they let you do a lot of stuff for really cheap. But when you really get down to it, dedicated, discrete hardware just can't be beat. I'm not a fan of the DB4 because I believe it makes the wrong sacrifices……but I'd buy one long before I'd have an S4 as my only rig.
Danae Dumler 08.03.2012	Originally Posted by wkonitzer Are there any threads / sites / groups around that discuss any tricks on the DB4? How about a separate DB4 community on this site, or at least a community about digital mixers generally that would also allow sharing of tips about the DNX-1600/1700, the DDM4000, the Evo5, the various Pios, etc.? If this thread got to 65 pages there's at least a few interesting comments buried in here, it would be nice if stuff like that was easier to find.
Romelia Stankard 08.03.2012	it's a spam bot quoting someone from way earlier
Dorie Scelzo 07.03.2012	Originally Posted by Richard31 You can get a midifighter for around $100-$200 and have even more fun with the gear you already have I have literally no idea what you're talking about.
Romelia Stankard 07.03.2012	Originally Posted by MuzicFreq this thread is still alive?! sheesh This thread has turned out better than expected
Shantae Faile 07.03.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Guys stop being mean to the DB4, what did it ever do to you? It made my wallet feel insufficient
Stephnie Godbole 07.03.2012	this thread is still alive?! sheesh
Romelia Stankard 07.03.2012	Originally Posted by wkonitzer Had the DB4 for a while now and it totally rocks - really brought the joy back into DJ'ing. Are there any threads / sites / groups around that discuss any tricks on the DB4? Welcome! Not really that I know of, feel free to post in here.
Sam Angelucci 07.03.2012	Had the DB4 for a while now and it totally rocks - really brought the joy back into DJ'ing. Are there any threads / sites / groups around that discuss any tricks on the DB4?
Juliette Vensel 29.02.2012	I am not going to get into a pissing contest over what are defined flaws and what aren't. It is clear the A&H have a devoted fan base who seem keen on leaving analog in the dust and providing seamless inter-connectivity via Xlink to make up their gear. They have slim lined the 92 + 2D's into a completely digital modular package. A&H aren't going to be the club standard with the DB series, but certainly DJ's who bring their own gear have a quality product customized to them. In a word, it is a bit selfish on A&H's part, if not arrogant viewing from afar; however, the customer they are catering two isn't bothered by all this. Change is uncomfortable because it is unsettles workflow, challenges old concepts, and introduce new horizons. Whether one agrees with the change, it is changing nonetheless.
Dorie Scelzo 29.02.2012	Originally Posted by JDFS So you mean that you can set the headroom in Traktor for what, 9 dB and that exceeds every other mixer out there? Well, nice that the headroom is more than any analog mixer, but you must agree with me that if you use like for instance the Reverb or the Delay with max. feedback, your Master meter is close to red, if it isn't red already... I've tried this method (External FX routing) on a Xone 22 and damn, it worked and it didn't clip like it used to be in Traktor. But all of this isn't a problem anymore, since I'll be soon a DB owner. I've done a lot of experimenting with how digital audio works in various systems and read a lot of stuff about it
Basil Forshee 29.02.2012	Originally Posted by MrPopinjay I don't get why you're stating it's a non problem. It's clearly a flaw. It doesn't matter. Every kit has flaws. For that few DJ's it's maybe a flaw, but not for the majority of customers. Clearly it has been made more for the digital DJ (X-Link...), to save cables. Maybe that's another reason for their non certificating, because it's not like Pioneer, for everyone? You call it a flaw, A&H calls it something else. Plus the DB2/4 were made in co-operation with renowned DJ's, such as Speedy J (who was making music when I was still in my mom's belly). So in my opinion, their focus group is the Digital DJ, who couldn't care less about inputs, cause he will use the USB routing.
Judi Sissel 29.02.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Guys stop being mean to the DB4, what did it ever do to you? haha... how my one stupid question turned this into a bash the DB thread. My bad Originally Posted by Eizhauz It changed the game. Change is hard to accept. oh how true that is
Kiyoko Wellisch 29.02.2012	I don't get why you're stating it's a non problem. It's clearly a flaw. It doesn't matter. Every kit has flaws.
Juliette Vensel 29.02.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Guys stop being mean to the DB4, what did it ever do to you? It changed the game. Change is hard to accept.
Romelia Stankard 01.03.2012	Guys stop being mean to the DB4, what did it ever do to you?
Danae Dumler 01.03.2012	Originally Posted by JDFS Honestly, who uses 4 turntables? Maybe 1 DJ out of 100.000's? People here are making the CONS bigger that the PROS... For DVS, it's simple; just use a soundcard from NI or Serato... Except it's not simple - those soundcards (at least, the older ones like the SL1 or the Audio DJ 8) require that the mixer have four inputs for two decks. This mixer doesn't, so you have to do one of the workarounds, and it's still not ideal. Seriously, switching between DVS and regular vinyl should be a no brainer in any setup, even if there are a lot of people who would stick only to DVS.
Romelia Stankard 01.03.2012	Originally Posted by kevz718 ive never used more than 2 tts so bear in mind i may have no idea what im talking about.. But didnt they just add the preamp option to the 2 line inputs to allow for 2 more tts? Or is that garbage? Yeah with the new firmware you can run 4 TTs with soft RIAA option enabled which is pretty cool and works very well. Not that I would ever run 4 but there is the occasional DJ who uses 3 vinyl turntables.
Basil Forshee 01.03.2012	Honestly, who uses 4 turntables? Maybe 1 DJ out of 100.000's? People here are making the CONS bigger that the PROS... For DVS, it's simple; just use a soundcard from NI or Serato...
Basil Forshee 01.03.2012	Originally Posted by mostapha You have literally no idea what you're talking about on that one. Traktor has more headroom than any analog mixer if you set up your gain stages correctly. It's just that NI doesn't believe in meters, so it's really easy to do it wrong even if you do know what you're doing. So you mean that you can set the headroom in Traktor for what, 9 dB and that exceeds every other mixer out there? Well, nice that the headroom is more than any analog mixer, but you must agree with me that if you use like for instance the Reverb or the Delay with max. feedback, your Master meter is close to red, if it isn't red already... I've tried this method (External FX routing) on a Xone 22 and damn, it worked and it didn't clip like it used to be in Traktor. But all of this isn't a problem anymore, since I'll be soon a DB owner.
Cliff Lohman 29.02.2012	And does anybody use fader start? I see it all over the place these days but i have heard little discussion of this feature..
Cliff Lohman 29.02.2012	Originally Posted by mostapha That would On the db4? Where are you going to plug in the 3rd turntable, let alone the 4th? As for ideal pieces of gear for more inputs
Hipolito Scionti 29.02.2012	This is what I expect to see at the back of a 4 channel mixer vs
Dorie Scelzo 29.02.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular The 5th Aux/Mic channel That would actually be fine. Apparently, you can route it to channel 1. That's cool. I still wouldn't buy it, because I feel like it'd run into limitations, but at least I know it's possible. Originally Posted by JDFS With Hawtin's method, the FX comes in on the Xone:92 and as you might know, this mixer has more headroom than Traktor. So you can avoid clipping! You have literally no idea what you're talking about on that one. Traktor has more headroom than any analog mixer if you set up your gain stages correctly. It's just that NI doesn't believe in meters, so it's really easy to do it wrong even if you do know what you're doing. Originally Posted by MrPopinjay You know I don't see why they ain't using ableton for that. Seems like a much more obvious choice for what they are trying to do. Agreed. I like how pretty their setups are, and there are some things that are cool about Traktor Pro, but
Logan Lassey 29.02.2012	Originally Posted by MrPopinjay I say next we discuss the font used on the front. I love the font
Romelia Stankard 29.02.2012	Originally Posted by kevz718 I find it funny how lots of places advertise bstock but whenever ive bought anything bstock, its always brand new (at least as far as i can tell). Why do places do that? It's to get around MAP so they can advertise units lower Resale price maintenance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Romelia Stankard 29.02.2012	Originally Posted by kevz718 62 pages on this thread now that the input discussion has picked up steam.. You guys need to change your community preferences from the default and show more posts per page, I don't know how you guys can stand reading 10 posts per page before having to flip to the next- step it up to 20 and get on my level- 32 pages here.
Cliff Lohman 29.02.2012	Originally Posted by fullenglishpint Mine was from Digital Village but I was lucky, it was technically b-stock but basically someone had bought one which was DOA, sent it back and it was returned to A&H. A&H replaced it with a totally new unit but the customer didn't want it any more so DV had a new one in old packaging that had to be sold as b-stock, hence the
Kiyoko Wellisch 29.02.2012	I say next we discuss the font used on the front.
Cliff Lohman 29.02.2012	Originally Posted by MrPopinjay I was talking about the two lads using traktor. And kevz718, you gotta bare in mind that different people have different requirements. You may be happy just having one table play through a gimpy channel but others want to be able to play vinyl on every channel. I can certainly appreciate that different folks have different needs but i guess u cant make everybody happy.. Id venture to say that the inputs satisfy 90 percent or more of peeps setups.. What mixer has the ideal input matrix that would satisfy close to everybody out of curiousity? The dnx1700? Now im racking my brain for the most complicated input setup imagineable lol 62 pages on this thread now that the input discussion has picked up steam..
Dione Haimes 29.02.2012	Sounds good, ive not got anywhere local to me where i can ask, DV gave me the best quotes on the 62 though.
Kiyoko Wellisch 29.02.2012	That's what I mean dude

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