Beatport Analisys vs. Mixed In Key Analisys Beatport uses a software to find the key of the tracks, just like Mixed In Key.
Which one is more precise?
Is there a easy way for finding the key of tracks by myself? (virtual pianos, etc.)
Thanks. |
Tera Baragan
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Ok I get it, It is more complex that I thought. Thanks bro
Hope you understand how it works now! Or are atleast on the right track |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
No, youre playing a single note, a note which is the root of a scale, called a key. The virtual piano is just a virtual piano, its not some special "find the key" tool.
Ok I get it, It is more complex that I thought. Thanks bro |
Nancey Inderlied
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
So when I play the "F#" button on this virtual piano I'm not actually playing a key that I can find at the Cammelot Wheel? But actually a group of keys??
No, youre playing a single note, a note which is the root of a scale, called a key. The virtual piano is just a virtual piano, its not some special "find the key" tool. |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
A key is the root note of a scale. The key of "F#" can correspond to any one of the scales that use F# as a root, most commonly F# Minor and F# Major.
So when I play the "F#" button on this virtual piano I'm not actually playing a key that I can find at the Cammelot Wheel? But actually a group of keys?? |
Nancey Inderlied
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
A key is the root note of a scale. The key of "F#" can correspond to any one of the scales that use F# as a root, most commonly F# Minor and F# Major. |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
There's no such thing as "just F#" IIRC.
so please play this piano and tell me what the keys mean: http://www.virtualpiano.net/ |
Nancey Inderlied
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
That's what I'm saying, there is no minor or major, its just F#. That is my question, what does that mean?
There's no such thing as "just F#" IIRC. |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
Someone with more knowledge in music theory than me has to answer that. Sorry :/
Thats ok bro, thanks for the help |
Ulysses Vittetoe
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
That's what I'm saying, there is no minor or major, its just F#. That is my question, what does that mean?
Someone with more knowledge in music theory than me has to answer that. Sorry :/ |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
That's 2B for major and 11A for minor isn't it?
That's what I'm saying, there is no minor or major, its just F#. That is my question, what does that mean? |
Ulysses Vittetoe
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
You just did it.
Stop creating whole page posts and answer me this:
F# = what key of cammelot wheel?
That's 2B for major and 11A for minor isn't it? |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
...for key software lol...
...which is the easiest LOL again....
...AND I covered it in my first post that wasn't useful too you even though everything was covered haha...
...Don't always assume people on here are trying to dumb you down or judge your skill dude, noone does....
You just did it.
Stop creating whole page posts and answer me this:
F# = what key of cammelot wheel? |
Tera Baragan
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Unlike 99% of the people here I play with no software (and no rekordbox). So I already did my "couple of years" training.
Why do you need a digital program then if you aren't using a program. OT if you were properly trained you wouldn't be looking for key software lol
If I wanted something easy I wouldn't be asking for the hard way to do.
But you asked for MIK which is the easiest LOL again.
I know what MIK is and what good mixes are.
Then you should notice that they have both the actual keys and there notation on there site... :/
I just need some help to convert the notation I've talked about to Beatport's or MIK's.
Its already been done dude. AND I covered it in my first post that wasn't useful too you even though everything was covered haha.
I can find it on google but it will take me a lot of time.
Im just gonna live this link here for you... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=camelot+wheel+vs+actual+key
Bolded is him talking, my responses are regular text.
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Not exacly, I've already seen a lot of wheels like that. What I didn't find is a wheel that shows this key notation:
C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B.
Cammelot notation seems to not exist on google.
Your not gonna get the root key dude, most songs are chords, not the single note.
Also I posted the google page for you to see it was the first link.
Don't always assume people on here are trying to dumb you down or judge your skill dude, noone does. We just try and help you question as best as you describe your problem. As it stands you probably should take some basic piano lessons off of youtube to learn basic theory and chords and such so the notaion like F major and stuff makes more sense to you. |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
Not exacly, I've already seen a lot of wheels like that. What I didn't find is a wheel that shows this key notation:
C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B.
This is the notation of this virtual piano: http://www.virtualpiano.net/ and many others.
I don't understand how it has only 12 keys and Cammelot or Beatport's has 24.
The only thing I want to know is: How do I convert this virtual piano's notation to Cammelot notation???
Cammelot notation seems to not exist on google. |
Ulysses Vittetoe
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Unlike 99% of the people here I play with no software (and no rekordbox). So I already did my "couple of years" training.
If I wanted something easy I wouldn't be asking for the hard way to do.
I know what MIK is and what good mixes are.
I just need some help to convert the notation I've talked about to Beatport's or MIK's.
I can find it on google but it will take me a lot of time.
Can someone please read what I ask and reply with good old usefull posts instead of "you gotta study more".
Check out the wheel in this article. http://bjango.com/help/beats/keymixing/ is that what you're asking for maybe? |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
or
- A convertion list that will convert this piano's notation to Beatport's or Cammelot notation.
The camelot wheel already does this.
Well, I don't see "F-Sharp Major" here http://www.virtualpiano.net/
Its C, C#, D, C#, E, etc. No minor, no major.
How do I convert that to the Cammelot notation dude? |
Tera Baragan
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Ok I get it, It is more complex that I thought. Thanks bro
Hope you understand how it works now! Or are atleast on the right track |
Trista Karle
30.07.2013 | I believe if you pick up a beginners any strin instrument book it will help.. Keys and scales most people learn ad grow accustomed to it. I also was merely pointing out I do not believe any are 100% accurate but they are usually close enough to not lead you astray... Also a big thing is you do not always have I follow these guidelines for having great sounding mixes but they are merely aids until you develop the skill to be automatic |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
No, youre playing a single note, a note which is the root of a scale, called a key. The virtual piano is just a virtual piano, its not some special "find the key" tool.
Ok I get it, It is more complex that I thought. Thanks bro |
Nancey Inderlied
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
So when I play the "F#" button on this virtual piano I'm not actually playing a key that I can find at the Cammelot Wheel? But actually a group of keys??
No, youre playing a single note, a note which is the root of a scale, called a key. The virtual piano is just a virtual piano, its not some special "find the key" tool. |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
A key is the root note of a scale. The key of "F#" can correspond to any one of the scales that use F# as a root, most commonly F# Minor and F# Major.
So when I play the "F#" button on this virtual piano I'm not actually playing a key that I can find at the Cammelot Wheel? But actually a group of keys?? |
Nancey Inderlied
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
A key is the root note of a scale. The key of "F#" can correspond to any one of the scales that use F# as a root, most commonly F# Minor and F# Major. |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
There's no such thing as "just F#" IIRC.
so please play this piano and tell me what the keys mean: http://www.virtualpiano.net/ |
Nancey Inderlied
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
That's what I'm saying, there is no minor or major, its just F#. That is my question, what does that mean?
There's no such thing as "just F#" IIRC. |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
Someone with more knowledge in music theory than me has to answer that. Sorry :/
Thats ok bro, thanks for the help |
Ulysses Vittetoe
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
That's what I'm saying, there is no minor or major, its just F#. That is my question, what does that mean?
Someone with more knowledge in music theory than me has to answer that. Sorry :/ |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
That's 2B for major and 11A for minor isn't it?
That's what I'm saying, there is no minor or major, its just F#. That is my question, what does that mean? |
Ulysses Vittetoe
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
You just did it.
Stop creating whole page posts and answer me this:
F# = what key of cammelot wheel?
That's 2B for major and 11A for minor isn't it? |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
...for key software lol...
...which is the easiest LOL again....
...AND I covered it in my first post that wasn't useful too you even though everything was covered haha...
...Don't always assume people on here are trying to dumb you down or judge your skill dude, noone does....
You just did it.
Stop creating whole page posts and answer me this:
F# = what key of cammelot wheel? |
Tera Baragan
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Unlike 99% of the people here I play with no software (and no rekordbox). So I already did my "couple of years" training.
Why do you need a digital program then if you aren't using a program. OT if you were properly trained you wouldn't be looking for key software lol
If I wanted something easy I wouldn't be asking for the hard way to do.
But you asked for MIK which is the easiest LOL again.
I know what MIK is and what good mixes are.
Then you should notice that they have both the actual keys and there notation on there site... :/
I just need some help to convert the notation I've talked about to Beatport's or MIK's.
Its already been done dude. AND I covered it in my first post that wasn't useful too you even though everything was covered haha.
I can find it on google but it will take me a lot of time.
Im just gonna live this link here for you... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=camelot+wheel+vs+actual+key
Bolded is him talking, my responses are regular text.
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Not exacly, I've already seen a lot of wheels like that. What I didn't find is a wheel that shows this key notation:
C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B.
Cammelot notation seems to not exist on google.
Your not gonna get the root key dude, most songs are chords, not the single note.
Also I posted the google page for you to see it was the first link.
Don't always assume people on here are trying to dumb you down or judge your skill dude, noone does. We just try and help you question as best as you describe your problem. As it stands you probably should take some basic piano lessons off of youtube to learn basic theory and chords and such so the notaion like F major and stuff makes more sense to you. |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
Not exacly, I've already seen a lot of wheels like that. What I didn't find is a wheel that shows this key notation:
C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B.
This is the notation of this virtual piano: http://www.virtualpiano.net/ and many others.
I don't understand how it has only 12 keys and Cammelot or Beatport's has 24.
The only thing I want to know is: How do I convert this virtual piano's notation to Cammelot notation???
Cammelot notation seems to not exist on google. |
Ulysses Vittetoe
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Unlike 99% of the people here I play with no software (and no rekordbox). So I already did my "couple of years" training.
If I wanted something easy I wouldn't be asking for the hard way to do.
I know what MIK is and what good mixes are.
I just need some help to convert the notation I've talked about to Beatport's or MIK's.
I can find it on google but it will take me a lot of time.
Can someone please read what I ask and reply with good old usefull posts instead of "you gotta study more".
Check out the wheel in this article. http://bjango.com/help/beats/keymixing/ is that what you're asking for maybe? |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
or
- A convertion list that will convert this piano's notation to Beatport's or Cammelot notation.
The camelot wheel already does this.
Well, I don't see "F-Sharp Major" here http://www.virtualpiano.net/
Its C, C#, D, C#, E, etc. No minor, no major.
How do I convert that to the Cammelot notation dude? |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
MIK is already the middleman workaround dude. It can't get any easier then that.
The best mixes I have heard are from people who don't use software for key matching, they just use there ears. It takes a couple years of playing an instrument/djing/producing to get it down pat.
Unlike 99% of the people here I play with no software (and no rekordbox). So I already did my "couple of years" training.
If I wanted something easy I wouldn't be asking for the hard way to do.
I know what MIK is and what good mixes are.
I just need some help to convert the notation I've talked about to Beatport's or MIK's.
I can find it on google but it will take me a lot of time.
Can someone please read what I ask and reply with good old usefull posts instead of "you gotta study more". |
Tera Baragan
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Ok, I tried it on a virtual piano and my ears seems to be finding the right buttons (keys). http://www.virtualpiano.net/
But this virtual piano shows the keys as (C, C#, D, D#, E, F, etc.).
So I just need one of the following:
- A virtual piano that shows the button's key on Beatport's notation or Cammelot notation.
!
MIK is already the middleman workaround dude. It can't get any easier then that.
The best mixes I have heard are from people who don't use software for key matching, they just use there ears. It takes a couple years of playing an instrument/djing/producing to get it down pat.
or
- A convertion list that will convert this piano's notation to Beatport's or Cammelot notation.
The camelot wheel already does this. |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
That takes some musical knowledge and the use of a piano. You have to train your ears.
Ok, I tried it on a virtual piano and my ears seems to be finding the right buttons (keys). http://www.virtualpiano.net/
But this virtual piano shows the keys as (C, C#, D, D#, E, F, etc.).
So I just need one of the following:
- A virtual piano that shows the button's key on Beatport's notation or Cammelot notation.
or
- A convertion list that will convert this piano's notation to Beatport's or Cammelot notation.
Can anyone help me?
Thanks! |
Ulysses Vittetoe
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
How do I figure out the key by myself? What do you do for example?
That takes some musical knowledge and the use of a piano. You have to train your ears. |
Lakeesha Storman
30.07.2013 | Oi! Todo bem?
If the song sounds sad-ish, you can take a guess that it's a minor key. Otherwise major. I don't really know how else to go about it without a really good, trained ear.
Once you have a "guess" as to whether it's major or minor, you can try to play some of the chords in a given key you believe it may be and see if it seems "in tune" with the chords being played in the music. You can do this on a piano/keyboard, guitar or perhaps a synth in a DAW. I, IV, and V chords are good chords to play as they'll likely be the most prominent keys played in the music. 7th chords may provide an even better chance to nail the key since there's four notes in a 7th vs. 3 in a "normal" chord.
Obviously, you'll need some music theory fundamentals to be able to do this, oh, and knowing how to play given chords on a given instrument. I guess you don't really need to play chords, you could play individual notes but the odds of a mismatch since it's only one note versus three or four in a chord is higher, potentially resulting in incorrect guesses on your part.
Basically, without a bit of music theory, knowing what notes are in which scales (which are determined by the song's key) and how to play the chords in an "instrument" of your choice. I guess I said all that to say this, you're probably better off with the 70% - 80% accuracy of a software guess than by trying it on your own if you don't have a great ear and a decent knowledge of music theory. |
Vikki Falkenrath
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by JBang
I've found all these key analysis programs are about 70% accurate. They all get some songs right; they all get some songs wrong. The only way to be 100% confident is to figure out the key yourself.
How do I figure out the key by myself? What do you do for example? |
Maryam Fevold
30.07.2013 | I've found all these key analysis programs are about 70% accurate. They all get some songs right; they all get some songs wrong. The only way to be 100% confident is to figure out the key yourself. |
