AARGH !!! What is causing my timecode to flip out !?
AARGH !!! What is causing my timecode to flip out !? Posted on: 24.02.2013 by Nereida Jasnoch So I have been having timecode issues since the last days of 2012.First I bought new needles. (Got Shure M44-7s now) Got 1210 recalibration, cleaning, tone arm tightening, new cables, new RCAs. I clean my timecode vinyl with a piece of cloth before each set, and today I even cleaned my Shures with those little brushes that come with ortofons. I have dust covers for my technics. I did a full tonearm calibration (height, weight and anti-skate) not too long ago and I do it about once a month, just to be safe. These issues also appear when using my older Ortofon Concorde pros. Also changing mixer channels (Scratch-certified Korg Zero 4) seems to have no effect. I was 40 mins into a deep house set, not even halfway by far and traktor is freaking out, have a listen to the last 5 minutes or so: https://soundcloud.com/amtik/deep-house-mix-traktor What the hell is going on and how do I prevent it from happening again? I sick and tired of this fucking up my mixes. | |
| Evalyn Voges 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Patch
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| Brunilda Kora 06.04.2013 | Are your TT's modded? Painted cases, maybe? There is a voltage regulator that attaches to the faceplate. If the faceplate has been painted, the paint should be scratched back under the voltage regulator so that the voltage regulator is in contact with bare metal... |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 06.04.2013 | To be honest Dan, I knew you would have done those checks but it would have been remiss not to ask. Both flipping out at the same time? I dunno, I have never seen that before. I'll ask someone directly at NI and see if anyone has seen this before. The problem is that anyone is just likely to say that it's a connection issue which it appears not to be. Baffled (for now). |
| Evalyn Voges 06.04.2013 | I'll do another strip down of the TTs today. Any suggestions for cleaning? I have Concorde carts. |
| Evalyn Voges 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
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| nayit ruiz jaramillo 06.04.2013 | Thats the 'Tracking Alert' that suggests a bad connection. Have you checked the headshells, the wiring and cleaned the connectors between the tone arms and the cartridge ? |
| Evalyn Voges 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by MyUsername
I've done a video of what happens in TSP. |
| Nereida Jasnoch 05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by anteater32
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| Stanley Peckman 05.04.2013 | I had a similar problem with timecode going all over the place a few weeks ago - only on one deck. Turned out the red RCA on the 1210 had an intermittent fault internally. One new cable installed and I've had no problems since. |
| Nereida Jasnoch 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by happydan
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| Evalyn Voges 05.04.2013 | No, the exhaust is at the back, where the hinge is. It's not a heat issue here. Even with the temperature around 50C, I still have the issue. |
| Shawn Vanhaitsma 05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Patch
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| Evalyn Voges 05.04.2013 | Update from me... NI asked me to run the dignosis software as well. I'm still getting the issue. I've tried new needles, new timecode, a different soundcard (Audio 4 instead of my Audio 8). We both have the same OS and the same laptop here. |
| Nereida Jasnoch 06.03.2013 | NI had me run traktor until the problem occurred again and I was told to run the NI support tool they supported, it analyzed the software and provided a .zip file that I had to e-mail back to NI. Currently awaiting results. |
| Evalyn Voges 06.03.2013 | Dunno if this helps, but I put my TTs on a separate power strip and disabled 'multi-core processor support'. This seems to help. |
| Nereida Jasnoch 05.03.2013 | I bought OS X 10.8 because NI recommended it. I upgraded to Traktor 2.6.1. I placed my laptop in such a way that I had more airflow. The problem still isn't solved. None of these things helped. When the crackling/glitching of the audio occurred the CPU usage was around 25%, maybe even less. Most of my laptop temperatures were around 20-30 |
| Evalyn Voges 26.02.2013 | I've been having a similar problem where I lose timecode signal after around 40 minutes. The music starts wavering +/-1% until it loses out completely. If I try to recalibrate, it says "calibration failed, unknown medium". Only thing that fixes is pulling the USB cable from the Audio8 out of the MBP and putting it back in. I've opened a ticket with NI and they've asked for screenshots when the timecode signal indicator starts going wonky. |
| Nereida Jasnoch 26.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by frequencym
Either the bug can lurk for a long time and strike without warning or NI has made a deal with Apple and they get a percentage of all new OS upgrades sometime after the 2.6.1 update. #Conspiracy |
| Allan Neubert 26.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by MyUsername
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| Nereida Jasnoch 26.02.2013 | NI says it's a OS X 10.6 specific bug: Hello, actually we are aware of a bug in the MAC OSX 10.6 audio system that can cause issues like the one you described. While Apple fixed this for 10.7.5 and 10.8.2 (and all later versions), the bug was never fixed for OSX 10.6. Since this caused repeatedly problems under this OS, we now finally removed this OS from our minimum recommendations, so Traktor now indeed requires 10.7 or 10.8. (we even integrated a check into our installers to permit that Traktor 2.6.1 can be installed under os 10.6) Since there is no other way to avoid that 10.6 problem, I strongly suggest to update to OSX 10.7 or 10.8. |
| Carter Wetrich 25.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by reboot
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| Nereida Jasnoch 25.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by frequencym
I've contacted NI, curious about the response. And pretty sure this problem happened when traktor was running and only traktor sometimes as well, now that I believe of it. |
| Yong Aptekar 25.02.2013 | Turn itunes off, especially turn your wifi off, and close anything except traktor and audacity. Audacity shouldnt screw you up. |
| Allan Neubert 25.02.2013 | >Oh I do run audacity to record tho. Does this problem happen if you don't record your sets (i.e. only have 1 application using the soundcard)? |
| Floy Wnek 25.02.2013 | can't listen to the example at work, but I had a problem with timecode where it seemed like the timecode was 'looping' even when I lift the needle. This was solved by disabling multi-processor support in the Traktor preferences. |
| Nereida Jasnoch 25.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by Audeo
Mk.2 My TSP is legit and had many issues with 2.1 and 2.6 |
| Nereida Jasnoch 25.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by frequencym
Mk. 2 timecode Will look at cpu next time it happens. I don't have an other external soundcard. 13" Macbook Pro (early 2011) 2.3 GHz intel core i5, 4 GB of RAM but when I run traktor no crazy other things are open, sometimes itunes and google chrome. Oh I do run audacity to record tho. EDIT AUDACITY QUESTION: When you record with audacity is it writing a file on your harddrive, or is the project file being saved with temporary memory ? Do hard drives struggle with reading (such as playing a song in traktor) and writing at the same time? |
| Venetta Cawyer 24.02.2013 | Run SMCfancontrol at 5000 RPM just to be sure your macbook stays cool. Tell us a little about your set-up in the digital area. What sample rate and buffer size are you using? Are the timecodes MK1 or MK2? Is your TSP legit or not? What version are you running? |
| Yong Aptekar 24.02.2013 | What is your latency set at? What do you have turned off in the background (screen saver, wifi, services, bluetooth ect.) what otyer programs are you running ( audacity, itunes, winamp). |
| Allan Neubert 24.02.2013 | If you haven't I'd strongly recommend you open a support ticket with NI about this. When the music starts going crazy what does the timecode signal look like? Checking the timecode graphs will tell you whether it is a timecode reading problem (your timecode graph starts looking bad) or a sound decoding problem (your timecode graph looks fine). Have you tried the recent beta with the new timecode algorithm? Mk 1 vs. Mk. 2 timecode? What does Traktor's load indicator and your cpu usage look like when it goes crazy? Have you tried a different soundcard? What are specs of the laptop? |
| Brunilda Kora 23.02.2013 | If it's not heat then I don't know... As long as the pvc pipes don't block your fans, that stand will be fine. No reason NOT to stick the coolballs on as well, though (for 99p!). I don't use Traktor (right now - but maybe soon...) so I don't know if there is any kind of issue with using .mp3's like there is with Live... Decoding cache? Loading into RAM? |
| Nereida Jasnoch 23.02.2013 | Listen to the end (it's the last 10 minutes of the mix) http://www34.zippyshare.com/v/62417384/file.html Issues start around 6:20 minutes in. Probably gonna go down this route: http://www.djranking s.com/2011/05/2...laptop-stands/ But what if heat isn't the problem ? |
| Brunilda Kora 24.02.2013 | Good idea. I always use these: !B8J0hmQ!2k~$(KGrHqF,!lMEy+jC0N1DBM2O6kvLK!~~0_12.JPG The 99p performance upgrade! |
| Nereida Jasnoch 24.02.2013 | Damn, soundcloud won't let me upload because of copyright infringement. Currently uploading to zippyshare, because it also has a player. I have a macbook pro (early 2011) it does get hot, but never had any heat related problems. I could try elevating it. |
| Brunilda Kora 24.02.2013 | If everything is fine for 40 mins, and then you start having problems, its probably not the decks that are the problem. Could be a problem with your laptop? Maybe it's getting hot and performance is suffering? |
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