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Cut points when mixing live? Posted on: 29.09.2013 by Cecil Menin A Challenge I find in mixing is knowing the exact point to cut the live track and have the cued come in, and being able to do this bars and bar in advance. I usually try to start the next track 16 or 32 bars into the played one, and allow the structures to compliment one other. Otherwise, I'll just play whatever bar loop for the cued track, and drop the 1 of the cued onto the finale of a verse or build up of the track playing (hip hop type club - dancy mix context). But without the help of my software flag points, sometimes I miss the point where both should sync and everyone here knows what I'm talking about. People always say "don't rely on the software, you should be able to do with by ear etc". Just wondering if there are some mixing techniques or helpers that I'm missing. Thanks!
Sonja Roybal 30.09.2013	Just prepped some tracks today. image.jpg
Karren Rantala 30.09.2013	Originally Posted by 031999 know your tracks, but....If you realize that you dropped your new cue too early or too late. You can just 4 bar loop the new or old track, for one bar, just get em back on track. This is where that "loop 8" on the VCI-100SE and VCI-400EG comes in handy (Guess other controllers also have them).
Karren Rantala 30.09.2013	Originally Posted by Cook knowing your tracks simply. cutting track A when the buildup on B starts is generally how i do it, But ive edited all my tracks so i know when the builds are gona start and drop :P Most tracks have a natural in- and out-point, but doing your own edits is a cool way of making it easier for you. Until the official "extended club remix" is released a bit of tune-chopping and Acid Pro-knowledge have made my day several times... What software do you use Cook? Ableton?
Shira Narwold 29.09.2013	Originally Posted by DJ Sunshine Cue point 1 at the best mix-in point. Cue point 2 at the first drop Cue point 3 at the breakdown after first drop Cue point 4 at the second drop I then put in Cue point 8 at the natural mix-out point of the track. With tracks prepped this way, it's a matter of mixing Cue 1 of the new track on Cue 8 of the old track, giving you a seamless mix. I do the same thing.
Antonetta Wikel 29.09.2013	Originally Posted by DJ Sunshine I'm gonna go off the beaten path here so far, and could get flamed to hell for it, but here's my bit on it. I will agree, know your tracks, especially your "secret weapons." This is true for a variety of reasons, not just for this particular topic. For a lot of people, routine practice will get you there no problem. I have a Top-40 residency at a small evening club around the area, and frequently end up pulling the newest stuff from my record pool a few days in advance of the gig. This means I don't usually have a lot of time to commit tracks to heart. What I typically do is prep each track something like this: Cue point 1 at the best mix-in point. Cue point 2 at the first drop Cue point 3 at the breakdown after first drop Cue point 4 at the second drop I then put in Cue point 8 at the natural mix-out point of the track. With tracks prepped this way, it's a matter of mixing Cue 1 of the new track on Cue 8 of the old track, giving you a seamless mix. Hoping I won't incite a riot here with this laptop-centered blasphemy While there's nothing wrong with that, it's a little bit of a "paint by numbers" way of doing it. Since it's top 40 it's makes way more sense to do that but with non pop electronic music, it's always more interesting to hear a DJ mixing 2-4 tracks for long periods of time and going with "feeling" and intuition. Sometimes this leads to complications like a perceptible drop in energy but that doesn't out-weigh the feeling of a good DJ really "workin' it" and doing things on the fly. It feels much less static and stale to me. Just IMHO
Cecil Menin 29.09.2013	A Challenge I find in mixing is knowing the exact point to cut the live track and have the cued come in, and being able to do this bars and bar in advance. I usually try to start the next track 16 or 32 bars into the played one, and allow the structures to compliment one other. Otherwise, I'll just play whatever bar loop for the cued track, and drop the 1 of the cued onto the finale of a verse or build up of the track playing (hip hop type club - dancy mix context). But without the help of my software flag points, sometimes I miss the point where both should sync and everyone here knows what I'm talking about. People always say "don't rely on the software, you should be able to do with by ear etc". Just wondering if there are some mixing techniques or helpers that I'm missing. Thanks!
Sonja Roybal 30.09.2013	Just prepped some tracks today. image.jpg
Latoria Kavulich 30.09.2013	this is how i typically set up my cues. mainly for timed recordings e.g a 80 min CD mix
Karren Rantala 30.09.2013	Originally Posted by 031999 know your tracks, but....If you realize that you dropped your new cue too early or too late. You can just 4 bar loop the new or old track, for one bar, just get em back on track. This is where that "loop 8" on the VCI-100SE and VCI-400EG comes in handy (Guess other controllers also have them).
Lannie Kutay 01.10.2013	know your tracks, but....If you realize that you dropped your new cue too early or too late. You can just 4 bar loop the new or old track, for one bar, just get em back on track.
Dione Haimes 30.09.2013	yup ableton, ive always generally got my buildups coming in after 3 sets of 16 and going into the drop at 4th set, Edited all my tracks like that for about a year now, never f'd a mix up since
Karren Rantala 30.09.2013	Originally Posted by Cook knowing your tracks simply. cutting track A when the buildup on B starts is generally how i do it, But ive edited all my tracks so i know when the builds are gona start and drop :P Most tracks have a natural in- and out-point, but doing your own edits is a cool way of making it easier for you. Until the official "extended club remix" is released a bit of tune-chopping and Acid Pro-knowledge have made my day several times... What software do you use Cook? Ableton?
Dione Haimes 30.09.2013	knowing your tracks simply. cutting track A when the buildup on B starts is generally how i do it, But ive edited all my tracks so i know when the builds are gona start and drop :P
Shira Narwold 29.09.2013	Originally Posted by DJ Sunshine Cue point 1 at the best mix-in point. Cue point 2 at the first drop Cue point 3 at the breakdown after first drop Cue point 4 at the second drop I then put in Cue point 8 at the natural mix-out point of the track. With tracks prepped this way, it's a matter of mixing Cue 1 of the new track on Cue 8 of the old track, giving you a seamless mix. I do the same thing.
Antonetta Wikel 29.09.2013	Originally Posted by DJ Sunshine I'm gonna go off the beaten path here so far, and could get flamed to hell for it, but here's my bit on it. I will agree, know your tracks, especially your "secret weapons." This is true for a variety of reasons, not just for this particular topic. For a lot of people, routine practice will get you there no problem. I have a Top-40 residency at a small evening club around the area, and frequently end up pulling the newest stuff from my record pool a few days in advance of the gig. This means I don't usually have a lot of time to commit tracks to heart. What I typically do is prep each track something like this: Cue point 1 at the best mix-in point. Cue point 2 at the first drop Cue point 3 at the breakdown after first drop Cue point 4 at the second drop I then put in Cue point 8 at the natural mix-out point of the track. With tracks prepped this way, it's a matter of mixing Cue 1 of the new track on Cue 8 of the old track, giving you a seamless mix. Hoping I won't incite a riot here with this laptop-centered blasphemy While there's nothing wrong with that, it's a little bit of a "paint by numbers" way of doing it. Since it's top 40 it's makes way more sense to do that but with non pop electronic music, it's always more interesting to hear a DJ mixing 2-4 tracks for long periods of time and going with "feeling" and intuition. Sometimes this leads to complications like a perceptible drop in energy but that doesn't out-weigh the feeling of a good DJ really "workin' it" and doing things on the fly. It feels much less static and stale to me. Just IMHO
Masako Barcalow 29.09.2013	I'm gonna go off the beaten path here so far, and could get flamed to hell for it, but here's my bit on it. I will agree, know your tracks, especially your "secret weapons." This is true for a variety of reasons, not just for this particular topic. For a lot of people, routine practice will get you there no problem. I have a Top-40 residency at a small evening club around the area, and frequently end up pulling the newest stuff from my record pool a few days in advance of the gig. This means I don't usually have a lot of time to commit tracks to heart. What I typically do is prep each track something like this: Cue point 1 at the best mix-in point. Cue point 2 at the first drop Cue point 3 at the breakdown after first drop Cue point 4 at the second drop I then put in Cue point 8 at the natural mix-out point of the track. With tracks prepped this way, it's a matter of mixing Cue 1 of the new track on Cue 8 of the old track, giving you a seamless mix. Hoping I won't incite a riot here with this laptop-centered blasphemy
Olimpia Briden 29.09.2013	Yup, agree with everyone else, don't look at the screen just listen, know your tunes and count em in, it's 90% all repeated patterns.
Augustine Mitzen 29.09.2013	don't stare at the screen and listen to your music
Tania Somppi 29.09.2013	Try to keep count in your head while practicing and it'll start to just become 2nd nature, after a while, to follow the structure of the beats, bars and phrases.
Cecil Menin 29.09.2013	yeah you guys are right. ive been mixing for less than a year and i already feel soooo much more comfortable than before. thanks!
Latoria Kavulich 29.09.2013	practise, practise, practise and know your tunes. it will come naturally eventually
Tesha Freudenstein 29.09.2013	i just do it by ear and knowing my tunes. i end up sounding better when i'm not believeing about it too hard.
Cecil Menin 29.09.2013	yeah i believe it's all just iteration. lose the crutch, do it over and over. thanks
Alphonso Deitchman 29.09.2013	The only thing you can do is practice without the markers.

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