Recording the video footage of your live sets
Recording the video footage of your live sets Posted on: 25.09.2013 by Marva Latsko What's up everyone. I've tried recording my sets a few different ways now, and I'm still not satisfied completely. The best solution so far was to use a second macbook for the video, but the quality was no where near high enough definition obviously, and as the built in isight has such a narrow field, you have to place the laptop stupidly far away...I was wondering if anyone had experience with this, which cameras you would recommend etc. End result would hopefully be similar quality to boiler room/Pioneer DJ sounds show, with emphasis on wide angle! | |
| Wilton Keuning 02.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Ryan Ruel
I totally fucked the wording of that. Point is with GoPro's: Lower frame rate. Brighter video. |
| Caleb Demillo 02.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by ProfessorStrangeman
You can shoot 24 fps with 1/2000 frame rate if you really wanted to (I can do this with my DSLR). If you were to shoot a moving object, it would look very jerky and odd, because you are "freezing" the motion with each frame, there's no "motion blur". The typical rule for natural looking video is that you want to use twice the frame rate for your shutter speed. So for 30 fps, you use 1/60th of a second for the shutter speed. I'm not sure how GoPro handles shutter speed, it may lower the shutter speed at 24 fps. In which case, yes you are right, it is a lower shutter speed, hence more light, but you had the details wrong. |
| Wilton Keuning 02.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Mojaxx
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| Wilton Keuning 02.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Danielkaye
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| Augustine Mitzen 03.10.2013 | shame the music was shit |
| Wilton Keuning 03.10.2013 | Another GoPro POV. One of my faves. |
| Larita Smaga 04.10.2013 | More GoPro madness... Love it. |
| Wilton Keuning 02.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Ryan Ruel
I totally fucked the wording of that. Point is with GoPro's: Lower frame rate. Brighter video. |
| Caleb Demillo 02.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by ProfessorStrangeman
You can shoot 24 fps with 1/2000 frame rate if you really wanted to (I can do this with my DSLR). If you were to shoot a moving object, it would look very jerky and odd, because you are "freezing" the motion with each frame, there's no "motion blur". The typical rule for natural looking video is that you want to use twice the frame rate for your shutter speed. So for 30 fps, you use 1/60th of a second for the shutter speed. I'm not sure how GoPro handles shutter speed, it may lower the shutter speed at 24 fps. In which case, yes you are right, it is a lower shutter speed, hence more light, but you had the details wrong. |
| Wilton Keuning 02.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Mojaxx
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| Giselle Giffels 02.10.2013 |
This video pretty much has me sold, quality is top top notch 10/10 am digging. |
| Larita Smaga 02.10.2013 | Did you all the see the announcement of the GoPro Hero 3+ cameras yesterday? Apparently better optics, better low-light and longer battery life. Very excited. On the subject of GoPros, I will say that, as per the tips above, you MUST get a Black for club stuff. I bought a Hero 3 Silver, and low light performance is way worse than the black. Plus, the medium and narrow view modes on GoPros are basically digital zooms. That's ok with the Black, as you can record at 1080p in medium view and still get a full quality image. With the cheaper models, you're stuck with full wide/fisheye view unless you are happy to lose quality. |
| John Aird 02.10.2013 | Note to self: Don't drop that version of Sandstorm. See how the energy just fades out when the dubstep part coms in at 0:30... This is why you should record your sets - to learn! |
| Wilton Keuning 02.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Danielkaye
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| Marva Latsko 02.10.2013 | Hahaha internal audio! Boooooo! ;-) you mention frame rate being the best in low light, but I've never heard of frame rate having anything to do with lighting, can you explain? |
| Wilton Keuning 02.10.2013 | About to post a video from the last party my residency had. It's shot on my GoPro HERO3 Black Edition. 720p24fps. That 24fps is important! Gives you the best bang for your buck light wise. NOTE: It's internal audio. Don't crucify me. Wasn't gonna record any during party shots till this shit came on during the guest DJ's set. VIDEO: |
| Marva Latsko 02.10.2013 | Hahaha it's a good thing I just bought the zoom H4N a week ago! Love that thing. As for using the internally mic on the gopro, never! I'd use that only to help sync the audio from an external source/direct line in, to the video source. I believe what I will do is go for 2 go pro 3+, in terms of lighting its mostly going to be done in my studio, where the lighting is not difficult to control... And then a lot can be done in post, so I'd be quite happy with that set up! I will post a video with a set I recorded 2 weeks ago, struggling to find any decent enough Internet out here but I fly back to the UK on the 11th so I will do it then! Done with the on board iSight of a second MacBook so don't expect anything special ;-) Any one have any recorded sets with audio and video they want to share? |
| Wilton Keuning 01.10.2013 | GoPro(s) + A ZOOM H4N. I've seen/used anywhere from 1-16 GoPro cameras used. Put them where ever you want, don't worry about audio. Put the ZOOM H4N in the booth with the mics pointed towards the audience, with the mics set to the narrower field. Record 4 tracks. The two atmospheric mics and the left and right out of your mixer/soundcard! In post line up all of your waveforms (super easy, just play the metronome for one tick right when you start) and hey presto! You can now cut between cams as you like and as the last step mute all camera audio and use about 90% mixer audio and 10% atmospheric mic audio (Highpass filter this.) and render! BONUS POINTS: For extra coolness, get audience members to tweet//facebook//youtube videos they took during and lace them in! Knife Party used this to great effect in their ULTRA video. As seen here. |
| Petra Arra 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by donstone
Originally Posted by Danielkaye
Originally Posted by Ryan Ruel
the audio won't be lame if you use an open case. its not that great, but its still usable. |
| Marva Latsko 01.10.2013 | Very nice video by the way! I'd love to live in a place like that... |
| Marva Latsko 01.10.2013 | Hmmm more interesting points. Low light would be dealt with by controlling the aperture, but obviously there is no control over this when using the gopros. In terms of mounting them with all the cables, I'd only be running one cable into each of them (for power). I don't plan on streaming. I spend most of my time in South Africa and the bandwidth is a problem, so I will record, edit, and upload. Then if I feel like it I can just broadcast that. I'd be interested in hearing about gopros in low light. I know the gopro 3+ was released today, and the quality is supposed to be pretty impressive, so that is tempting, and it would be used a lot with my current gear, so I won't feel too bad about paying for it ;-) |
| Oretha Afful 01.10.2013 | To you guy's using GO Pros... how do you handle the low light situations? |
| Caleb Demillo 02.10.2013 | What is with all the GoPro suggestions? Honestly I believe they kinda suck for live streaming. I have a Hero 2, and I found it to be a bit of an awkward setup. Mounting, powering it, and dealing with an HDMI out, it's very clumsy. The mounts aren't really designed to be used with a bunch of cables coming out of the camera, so how do you mount it? I even tried WiFi streaming. Very laggy and just awkward and kludgy to use. And more importantly... it's a fixed lens, and a fisheye lens at that. The fish eye look is cool, for a little while, but it would get old very quickly. GoPro's ARE cool if you want to run around a club and grab some quick footage. But not really for recording a whole set or streaming. The options for audio are pretty lame too. A DSLR produces amazing video quality, but as stated before you can't just set one up and leave it on live mode (the sensor will over heat), plus the time limits of using these prevent you from recording a whole set. Again, if you want to grab short footage from a club, a good DSLR will beat out a Go Pro anytime. What I use is an actual HD video camera. I use a Canon HG10 (there is an HG20 now). These are about $1100, which isn't cheap (though there are cheaper options), but you'll get that crisp professional quality you were talking about. You'll also get a sensor which can handle low-light (believe evening club) situations. If you want to stream, I use a Black Magic Designs Intensity Extreme and connect that to the HDMI output of the Canon. The image quality is excellent. Just be aware that you will need a beefy machine to encode HD video. I shot the video below using the Canon HG10 and a Canon 5D Mark III with a variety of lenses (ie, the fish-eye at the beginning). Cheap? No. There are cheaper versions of these that produce video "similar", but you have to realize those Pioneer/Boiler Room DJ sets are shot with pro gear: |
| Marva Latsko 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daily Crisis
I believe the route is gopros, might try to sell my HD2 and buy two HD3's. Long term goal is to do a monthly podcast for a page I've started with a few friends, if any one wants to get involved, contribute a mix etc just message me! :-) Http://www.facebook.com/liveontap |
| Gracia Vandivner 30.09.2013 | GoPRO GOPRO GOPRO!!!! They're cheaper than a DSLR but have good quality, and you can spill a drink on it and knock it around because it's meant for surfing and other such sports. |
| Alycia Niederriter 30.09.2013 | GoPros are the way forward mate. Or you could just get really famous and get someone like Be-at TV to just film it for you to be honest. |
| Rosina Steinkuehler 30.09.2013 | GoPro has a fish eye lens by default. I guess you can alter that somewhat but I have a cheaper suggestion for you: Logitech C920. I have 5 of them and they work great in low lighting and support up to 1080P. And they are only about 85$. |
| Teresia Janusch 30.09.2013 | If your video is to be longer than 10mins, then a DSLR is out. Any decent HD camcorder should do the job, and I can vouch for GoPros too. They can be used to live streaming...if you have an external capture card like a Canopus ADVC-55 etc... If you want mega production standards then you could hire a couple of broadcast cameras like a Panasonic HDX-900 (we have 12 of these in my work) which are really good, plus you can genlock them so the timecodes all line up, would make it easier to edit... |
| Marva Latsko 30.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by arsman
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| Petra Arra 30.09.2013 | connect to a wall outlet charger and not the computer. that's it. |
| Marva Latsko 30.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by dripstep
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| Yong Aptekar 29.09.2013 | GoPro GoPro GoPro. If out can afford a dslr, but more GoPros. Can't speak more highly of them. |
| Hipolito Scionti 29.09.2013 | i'd hire a camera from a pro camera hire place. Get good bang for your buck without wasting thousands on buying a camera that's good enough. These guys are in Birmingham and this looks pretty decent http://www.mediadoghire.com/canon_xa20_hire This looks a bit more badman but maybe more complicated if you're not that into cameras (just the prime lenses etc) http://www.mediadoghire.com/sony_f3_camera_hire But basically your vids will look the business and you only get a camera when you need it. Normally the hire companies have good reps that you can phone and talk through your requirement. You'll probs want a tripod to set up the camera too. Also video needs light really so a lamp on your face/area you want filming goes a long way. |
| Marva Latsko 28.09.2013 | I've got a canon 7D, but the trouble is recording for that length of time without the camera over heating. I've also got the gopro hero 2, but I'm not sure how to plug it in to prevent the battery from draining while recording... Another problem with the gopro is that you cannot make it the camera of choice if you're trying to stream live, I believe that is something they corrected with the hero 3. |
| Tera Baragan 25.09.2013 | Go pro for the camera and route the output of the mix into a computer to live record the set and put them together. |
| Petra Arra 25.09.2013 | get a dslr with a video if you have that kind of money. get a handycam or compact cameras if you are on a budget. get a gopro or other action cameras if you want a small lightweight mountable camera for different angles or overhead shots.. I saw one time that they are using a dslr on wide angle lens and mounted on the tripod infront of the table they are using. gopro cameras are naturally wide angled, but the battery only lasts an hour while recording so you still have to hook it up if you want to keep recording past the 1 hour mark. just record in hd or in the highest quality and edit. |
| Augustine Mitzen 25.09.2013 | i believe getdarker use gopros, no idea about boiler room/pdj |
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