Compare Platter Response: Traktor w/ DDJ-SX, NS7-II & 4Trak

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Compare Platter Response: Traktor w/ DDJ-SX, NS7-II & 4Trak
Posted on: 03.09.2013 by Belen Wermes
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Tera Baragan
07.10.2013
Originally Posted by flpanhandler
you know if you took the time to research your gear and ask the questions i've been asking in this thread, you wouldn't be the proud owner of a "sloppy VCI-400" that doesn't work properly with Traktor and probably isn't great for DAW software either - so basically a really expensive paperweight unless you are a Serato user ... just saying, there's no harm in being as thorough as i am and wanting the best for my needs. i do have to thank you for that piece of advice though, i am definitely not going to buy a stock VCI-400 after hearing your unfortunate luck with it.
With your incredible research I'd like for you to show me a controller for $300 that has 4 channels. 8beatpads, full fx control with a filter knob that also controls a Daw properly.

Cause they don't make something like this even for $1000. LOL

DDJ sx, awesome controller, best response, rave reviews. Not for producing. Would it kinda work? yea.

Would it work well? No.



For 10 years of producing you seem to not know very much OP even with your wall o texts.
Isa Erik
07.10.2013
Originally Posted by AllDay
Not sure where you read s4's fall apart, they are the most durable controller out there right now.(s2 is the burning man goto controller)
you're kiddin', right?
http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=68550
Tera Baragan
06.10.2013
Originally Posted by wrong chris
no i'm not new and if you are confused let me make something clear, a versatile midi controller that works just as well with Traktor as it does other software is a fundamental selling point - if not for you, well it is for me. that is what makes midi controllers cool, the possibilities of having an instrument that can be more than one thing.

if i was interested in limiting myself to oldschool analog hardware schools of thought (ie this instrument can only do one thing), i would be shopping for two turntables and a microphone, not a midi controller.

in addition, don't tell new producers to wait an entire year before incorporating a controller into their learning process & workflow. you would be hard-pressed to find a single professional recording arts program/instructor that would teach such a stupid idea - that's like telling an aspiring guitarist not to buy a guitar until he can read music.
You clearly haven't produced yet then lmao. You can pick up a guitar/drum or instrument and start playing right away. Good luck doing that with a DAW LOL.
As of right now there isn't any controller that is designed for traktor/serato/vdj that is meant for both and good for both. Its one or the other. Your closest bet would be getting a mixer, an f1 and x1 cause then you will have your faders and knobs. But imo its not gonna be amazing for either.

Once you start trying to learn a daw you will understand how dumb you look right now haha. Good luck trying to play piano keys with a controller lmao. Unless you get a DAW specific controller which wouldn't work well with traktor n serato. Get my drift yet?


Im not gonna bother trying to help someone who believes he has it figured out but knows nothing.
Tera Baragan
05.10.2013
Originally Posted by wrong chris
yeah yeah i know i'm just getting a feel for what the vci-400 EGE brings to the table, strengths and weaknesses. cheers for the info man

honestly after considering all the options, i'm leaning towards a Vestax VCM-600 midi controller - what it lacks in platters and analog mixer it makes up for with extra knobs, faders and buttons.

suppose i can't justify an expensive all-in-one dj style controller if one of the key features (platters) doesn't work properly with Traktor. what's unfortunate is the NI S4 would be the best option if it didn't have such a terrible reputation for falling apart.

decisions decisions
You are incredibly confusing.. You asked for a controller to control traktor. The VCI 400 Ean Golden edition or the s2/s4 will be your best bet. Not sure where you read s4's fall apart, they are the most durable controller out there right now.(s2 is the burning man goto controller)

If your new to producing no point in even considering a controller for Ableton or FL. It will take you about a year to even understand the program properly let alone be using a controller with it.
Dannie Dimora
05.10.2013
Originally Posted by wrong chris
if it didn't have such a terrible reputation for falling apart.
Where is that? O.o
Tera Baragan
23.09.2013
Originally Posted by wrong chris
i wonder does the custom firmware that's installed on the Ean Golden edition VCI-400s make the controllers less compatible with other software like Ableton & Fruityloops?
Unsure where production software is comming in?

You asked for controller with traktor specifically. EG edition runs as if it is native to traktor like the s2 and s4, thats why It is special. I own the regular vci 400 and its kind of sloppy. It does the job but its not the same thing at all.
Dannie Dimora
22.09.2013
Originally Posted by AllDay
Definitely disagree unless you have the ean golden 400 which is coverted to traktor.

VCI 400 is native to serato and vdj both intro software with the controller.


DDj sx with serato is sex on the beach as is the s4 on traktor.
Yes yes sorry i meant the DJTT ean golden special edition, sorry for the confusion.
Agreed about SX and s4, still the 400SE is one hell of a beast with traktor
Dannie Dimora
07.10.2013		Honestly, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS?!?
I mean, can't you discuss and illustrate your points without swearing to eachother?
Gosh it's a war in here.
Vito Chesnut
07.10.2013		Yes, with Traktor it does, but unless you are planning on doing a ton of scratching, I doubt you will notice the difference. No it doesn't make any differences, other than the fact you will have to use mappings for the EGE or make them yourself. It seems to me from my looking around, there are just as many mappings for the EGE, if not more.


Also, I am not sure where that quote came from.. but my machine has already made me plenty of money, so it's certainly not a paperweight.
Tera Baragan
07.10.2013
Originally Posted by flpanhandler
you know if you took the time to research your gear and ask the questions i've been asking in this thread, you wouldn't be the proud owner of a "sloppy VCI-400" that doesn't work properly with Traktor and probably isn't great for DAW software either - so basically a really expensive paperweight unless you are a Serato user ... just saying, there's no harm in being as thorough as i am and wanting the best for my needs. i do have to thank you for that piece of advice though, i am definitely not going to buy a stock VCI-400 after hearing your unfortunate luck with it.
With your incredible research I'd like for you to show me a controller for $300 that has 4 channels. 8beatpads, full fx control with a filter knob that also controls a Daw properly.

Cause they don't make something like this even for $1000. LOL

DDJ sx, awesome controller, best response, rave reviews. Not for producing. Would it kinda work? yea.

Would it work well? No.



For 10 years of producing you seem to not know very much OP even with your wall o texts.
Vito Chesnut
07.10.2013		I have been using the VCI 400 with Traktor for a while, it is far from sloppy. You could also send in your VCI to DJTT for $50 and they will upgrade to the EGE firmware. It would work the same as the one above, as ableton only receives midi signals, which are still sent out by the VCI EGE. Yes some mappings wont work, and you will have to remap certain parts, but that is part of the draw of Traktor IMO, customization.
Vito Chesnut
07.10.2013		production, live, vci 400.
Isa Erik
07.10.2013
Originally Posted by AllDay
Not sure where you read s4's fall apart, they are the most durable controller out there right now.(s2 is the burning man goto controller)
you're kiddin', right?
http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=68550
Dannie Dimora
06.10.2013		Guys, let's keep the tone down a little.
Chris, i would suggest a launchpad and a novation zero.
Tera Baragan
06.10.2013
Originally Posted by wrong chris
no i'm not new and if you are confused let me make something clear, a versatile midi controller that works just as well with Traktor as it does other software is a fundamental selling point - if not for you, well it is for me. that is what makes midi controllers cool, the possibilities of having an instrument that can be more than one thing.

if i was interested in limiting myself to oldschool analog hardware schools of thought (ie this instrument can only do one thing), i would be shopping for two turntables and a microphone, not a midi controller.

in addition, don't tell new producers to wait an entire year before incorporating a controller into their learning process & workflow. you would be hard-pressed to find a single professional recording arts program/instructor that would teach such a stupid idea - that's like telling an aspiring guitarist not to buy a guitar until he can read music.
You clearly haven't produced yet then lmao. You can pick up a guitar/drum or instrument and start playing right away. Good luck doing that with a DAW LOL.
As of right now there isn't any controller that is designed for traktor/serato/vdj that is meant for both and good for both. Its one or the other. Your closest bet would be getting a mixer, an f1 and x1 cause then you will have your faders and knobs. But imo its not gonna be amazing for either.

Once you start trying to learn a daw you will understand how dumb you look right now haha. Good luck trying to play piano keys with a controller lmao. Unless you get a DAW specific controller which wouldn't work well with traktor n serato. Get my drift yet?


Im not gonna bother trying to help someone who believes he has it figured out but knows nothing.
Tera Baragan
05.10.2013
Originally Posted by wrong chris
yeah yeah i know i'm just getting a feel for what the vci-400 EGE brings to the table, strengths and weaknesses. cheers for the info man

honestly after considering all the options, i'm leaning towards a Vestax VCM-600 midi controller - what it lacks in platters and analog mixer it makes up for with extra knobs, faders and buttons.

suppose i can't justify an expensive all-in-one dj style controller if one of the key features (platters) doesn't work properly with Traktor. what's unfortunate is the NI S4 would be the best option if it didn't have such a terrible reputation for falling apart.

decisions decisions
You are incredibly confusing.. You asked for a controller to control traktor. The VCI 400 Ean Golden edition or the s2/s4 will be your best bet. Not sure where you read s4's fall apart, they are the most durable controller out there right now.(s2 is the burning man goto controller)

If your new to producing no point in even considering a controller for Ableton or FL. It will take you about a year to even understand the program properly let alone be using a controller with it.
Dannie Dimora
05.10.2013
Originally Posted by wrong chris
if it didn't have such a terrible reputation for falling apart.
Where is that? O.o
Tera Baragan
23.09.2013
Originally Posted by wrong chris
i wonder does the custom firmware that's installed on the Ean Golden edition VCI-400s make the controllers less compatible with other software like Ableton & Fruityloops?
Unsure where production software is comming in?

You asked for controller with traktor specifically. EG edition runs as if it is native to traktor like the s2 and s4, thats why It is special. I own the regular vci 400 and its kind of sloppy. It does the job but its not the same thing at all.
Dannie Dimora
22.09.2013
Originally Posted by AllDay
Definitely disagree unless you have the ean golden 400 which is coverted to traktor.

VCI 400 is native to serato and vdj both intro software with the controller.


DDj sx with serato is sex on the beach as is the s4 on traktor.
Yes yes sorry i meant the DJTT ean golden special edition, sorry for the confusion.
Agreed about SX and s4, still the 400SE is one hell of a beast with traktor
Tera Baragan
21.09.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
Vci400 would be better suited for traktor. The response compared to the ddj-sx is better. And while for the DDJ you only have a couple of mappings, for the 400 you have loads.
Definitely disagree unless you have the ean golden 400 which is coverted to traktor.

VCI 400 is native to serato and vdj both intro software with the controller.


DDj sx with serato is sex on the beach as is the s4 on traktor.
Dannie Dimora
21.09.2013		Vci400 would be better suited for traktor. The response compared to the ddj-sx is better. And while for the DDJ you only have a couple of mappings, for the 400 you have loads.
Vito Chesnut
21.09.2013		I like mine with traktor for scratching, but because of the size of the platters, intricate sound manipulation is tough. Moves that require your whole hand to move on a TT only require the bend of a finger. Now if you are only doing baby scratches, transformer scratches, etc, you shouldn't have too much issue, but getting into 2 click flares, etc, will be pretty tough on such a small surface. What I DO love about them, is the mappings which allow for some really cool jog efx. Mix that with the solid build and to me it is the perfect all around controller. Yes you can find several controllers that might have a bit of a lead in one spec or the other, but for all around performance, and the fact you aren't tied to a software, to me it's perfect.
Erich Fearday
03.09.2013		Yes. I use Hybrid mode. Now i understand your comment.
Sonja Roybal
03.09.2013
Originally Posted by Percy
I am using Denon 3700s with Traktor & the motorized platters are great for scratching. That doesn't answer the original post but i just wanted to mention it because of the post above.
I'm pretty sure there isn't an NS7 mapping that allows you to control the decks with the platters though. Are you using the 3700s in some kind of hybrid mode?
Erich Fearday
03.09.2013		I am using Denon 3700s with Traktor & the motorized platters are great for scratching. That doesn't answer the original post but i just wanted to mention it because of the post above.
Sonja Roybal
03.09.2013		I don't believe motorized platters work with Traktor.
Dino Hapgood
03.09.2013		The 4trak or s4/s2, naturally, will have the tightest response within that controller list. Cdj 900/2k will also be spot on, but expensive controllers they do make.

Everything else besides TCV is worthless for scratching WITHIN TRAKTOR. If you can get used to Serato, the ddj-sx and any other native serato platters will be incredibly right and sufficient for scratching.

If you are a heavy scratcher and want to use traktor, then invest time and money into a pair of direct drive Tt's (no they don't have to be technics) and a battle mixer. If you're dead set on using traktor, get an audio 6 (p.s. I have one I may want to sell, shameless plug, but not why I am pushing you in the TCV direction). You'll be happier in the long run.

If you want to scratch just a bit but still want the tight integration, I'd say wait for the s4 mkII or some other native traktor controller to come out until you jump and buy old tech. Otherwise you're throwing good money after bad, especially if you use the ddj-sx with traktor and not serato.
Elroy Sillman
03.09.2013		The 4trak scratch response is pretty decent but definitely not 100% (about 90%) due to alright touch response and and the not so great position indicator. Other than that i gotta say its a great bang for your buck. I've never used the DDJ-SX or NS7-II but i imagine the NS7-II would feel the closest to a real vinyl platter.

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