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DVS with one turntable
Posted on: 07.10.2013 by Leanora Gerald
Hi everyone,
saturday evening I was in a gig and the DJ, who was using a Mac with Traktor, was playing with only one turntable.

I'm curious about it.

Is it possible to switch the input to another deck or how was he doing it?
Leanora Gerald
09.10.2013
Originally Posted by DirtyNerd
Depending on your mixer and [non-software] FX units, you can do all sorts of other cool things too. My DN-X1700 has input matrix channel assignment, so I can assign input source A to any of channel 1-4. So if I have track on source B in channel 2, I then:

  1. select source B for channel 3 as well...so now both channels 2 and 3 have the same input (don't need to have volume up here at all yet).
  2. send/assign channel 3 to one FX unit, select Looper effect (or echo if you wish) Full Wet signal.
  3. bring level/eq whatever up on channel 3 as you bring it down on channel 2...now you have a loop of what was playing
  4. remove source B assignment from channel 3 (loop will still pay) you can then select a new track and mix it in on channel 2.

This doesn't work for USB input sources (e.g., Traktor or any DVS) on my mixer as each USB input pair is mapped to a specific channel, but this works totally fine for external sources. Think of this like a hardware version of grabbing a loop in the Traktor Loop Recorder or in a Remix Deck slot.

Actually, sometimes playing with just one deck forces you top believe creatively about mixing.

Who says you need 2 decks and a mixer to DJ?
I don't use use DVS at all. I'm on a controller now... Mainly for budget reasons. I was just curious about it, maybe for future purchases =)

Thanks for you hint. Glorious mixer anyway!
Leota Dolney
08.10.2013
Originally Posted by Sprike
I checked the pictures of the party, it was definitely Serato.

I checked because on Traktor if I duplicate a deck it... sort of double the output volume. The guy instead was playing flawlessly at the same levels.

EDIT: Thank you for the input
There is no reason why you can't use just one turntable. Some old school Reggae DJs used to do it back in the day...they would mix with just one deck...throw a huge reverbed echo at the end of the track to give them time to swap records, and then start playing the next track. I am playing with only one turntable myself right now, because my practice space is cramped andI don't have room for 2...so I have turntable, mixer, and a Kontrol X1 for loading tracks and controlling deck B. You could easily use just that combination for a minimalist scratch setup. X1 for triggering cues etc...turntable for scratching on your favorite side.

If it doubles the volume, why don't you just have the volume down on the 2nd deck until you switch to it. Or even more fun, if you have midi controllers...map the eq kills for each deck so that the same button toggles both, but sets them to opposite states, E.g., Initial deck EQLo is ON - Target deck EQLo is OFF (full kill). Hit button then Initial deck EQLo is OFF (full kill) - Target deck EQLo is ON. If you want more smoothness with the transition, map it to a knob...For bonus points, you can throw some FX on the one of the decks and have the FX only affecting part of the eq bands while the other deck has the other band totally dry (basically an Isolator FX setup)...I have done a setup like this using a MidiFighter and Xone:K2. Stewe also has done a more sophisticated version from which I got my inspiration for my setup.
Leanora Gerald
07.10.2013		Hi everyone,
saturday evening I was in a gig and the DJ, who was using a Mac with Traktor, was playing with only one turntable.

I'm curious about it.

Is it possible to switch the input to another deck or how was he doing it?
Petra Arra
09.10.2013		Thanks @Patch! I'll try that out later when I get home. anyway, its about time to update my mappings.
Brunilda Kora
09.10.2013		You can use the F1 to map some Deck Focus/Timecode control midi commands to.

You can map a single button to "toggle" which deck has timecode control...
Petra Arra
09.10.2013		Im curious about this one too. as I have only 1 TT now and an analogue mixer on the way. though I have an f1 that I mapped to control the cue points.
Leanora Gerald
09.10.2013
Originally Posted by DirtyNerd
Depending on your mixer and [non-software] FX units, you can do all sorts of other cool things too. My DN-X1700 has input matrix channel assignment, so I can assign input source A to any of channel 1-4. So if I have track on source B in channel 2, I then:

  1. select source B for channel 3 as well...so now both channels 2 and 3 have the same input (don't need to have volume up here at all yet).
  2. send/assign channel 3 to one FX unit, select Looper effect (or echo if you wish) Full Wet signal.
  3. bring level/eq whatever up on channel 3 as you bring it down on channel 2...now you have a loop of what was playing
  4. remove source B assignment from channel 3 (loop will still pay) you can then select a new track and mix it in on channel 2.

This doesn't work for USB input sources (e.g., Traktor or any DVS) on my mixer as each USB input pair is mapped to a specific channel, but this works totally fine for external sources. Think of this like a hardware version of grabbing a loop in the Traktor Loop Recorder or in a Remix Deck slot.

Actually, sometimes playing with just one deck forces you top believe creatively about mixing.

Who says you need 2 decks and a mixer to DJ?
I don't use use DVS at all. I'm on a controller now... Mainly for budget reasons. I was just curious about it, maybe for future purchases =)

Thanks for you hint. Glorious mixer anyway!
Leota Dolney
08.10.2013		Depending on your mixer and [non-software] FX units, you can do all sorts of other cool things too. My DN-X1700 has input matrix channel assignment, so I can assign input source A to any of channel 1-4. So if I have track on source B in channel 2, I then:

  1. select source B for channel 3 as well...so now both channels 2 and 3 have the same input (don't need to have volume up here at all yet).
  2. send/assign channel 3 to one FX unit, select Looper effect (or echo if you wish) Full Wet signal.
  3. bring level/eq whatever up on channel 3 as you bring it down on channel 2...now you have a loop of what was playing
  4. remove source B assignment from channel 3 (loop will still pay) you can then select a new track and mix it in on channel 2.

This doesn't work for USB input sources (e.g., Traktor or any DVS) on my mixer as each USB input pair is mapped to a specific channel, but this works totally fine for external sources. Think of this like a hardware version of grabbing a loop in the Traktor Loop Recorder or in a Remix Deck slot.

Actually, sometimes playing with just one deck forces you top believe creatively about mixing.

Who says you need 2 decks and a mixer to DJ?
Julissa Serrone
09.10.2013		+ 1 on instant doubles

hit deck load twice on Serato
Bethann Olortegui
08.10.2013		Its called 'Instant Doubles'

More here -> http://serato.com/scratchlive/suppor...-one-turntable
Leota Dolney
08.10.2013
Originally Posted by Sprike
I checked the pictures of the party, it was definitely Serato.

I checked because on Traktor if I duplicate a deck it... sort of double the output volume. The guy instead was playing flawlessly at the same levels.

EDIT: Thank you for the input
There is no reason why you can't use just one turntable. Some old school Reggae DJs used to do it back in the day...they would mix with just one deck...throw a huge reverbed echo at the end of the track to give them time to swap records, and then start playing the next track. I am playing with only one turntable myself right now, because my practice space is cramped andI don't have room for 2...so I have turntable, mixer, and a Kontrol X1 for loading tracks and controlling deck B. You could easily use just that combination for a minimalist scratch setup. X1 for triggering cues etc...turntable for scratching on your favorite side.

If it doubles the volume, why don't you just have the volume down on the 2nd deck until you switch to it. Or even more fun, if you have midi controllers...map the eq kills for each deck so that the same button toggles both, but sets them to opposite states, E.g., Initial deck EQLo is ON - Target deck EQLo is OFF (full kill). Hit button then Initial deck EQLo is OFF (full kill) - Target deck EQLo is ON. If you want more smoothness with the transition, map it to a knob...For bonus points, you can throw some FX on the one of the decks and have the FX only affecting part of the eq bands while the other deck has the other band totally dry (basically an Isolator FX setup)...I have done a setup like this using a MidiFighter and Xone:K2. Stewe also has done a more sophisticated version from which I got my inspiration for my setup.
Lilliana Perris
08.10.2013		There is a Traktor Vid out, where a guy jams the NI Z2 and a single deck.



Zeke performs an amazing scratch routine using the Native Instruments Traktor Kontrol Z2 and just 1 turntable. Utilising features of the Z2 such as duplicate deck, cue point mapping, and tactile control of Traktor's FX, Zeke is able to accomplish a great deal with only these 2 tools.
Leanora Gerald
08.10.2013		I checked the pictures of the party, it was definitely Serato.

I checked because on Traktor if I duplicate a deck it... sort of double the output volume. The guy instead was playing flawlessly at the same levels.

EDIT: Thank you for the input
Lannie Kutay
07.10.2013		yeah you have to enable, "load while playing" or something like that. So that you can duplicate decks.
Hipolito Scionti
07.10.2013		yeah you can move the playing track to the other deck. switch to that deck then reload into the original deck.

both traktor and serato can do this

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