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Should I buckle down and learn ableton?
Posted on: 04.10.2013 by Darren Teboe
So a while ago, I tried to get into ableton, but there was something that just wasn't intuitive about it to me. For whatever reason, it didn't translate that easy to me, and I started looking into Maschine. I seemed to be able to pick up on Maschine a little easier, and with a background of working on an MPC, it made it the easy choice. I've been using it for a couple of years now.
Not too long ago, I was talking to a friend about doing some colab work. He seemed to treat the fact that I worked inside of a maschine as majorly detrimental. Obviously working in different software is an/the issue, but he seemed to take issue with using it as a DAW. According to him, "we need to get you on ableton".
My question is what areas am I being majorly hurt on if I'm not using ableton/logic/etc.?
Alycia Niederriter
08.10.2013
Originally Posted by sobi
So a while ago, I tried to get into ableton, but there was something that just wasn't intuitive about it to me.
This is exactly what I thought when I switched from Ableton to FL Studio from when I switched to FL Studio back to Ableton again about 2 weeks ago. I just can't get the hang of it. But yes do a bit of hard work and you'll have it in no time. But I'm still a beginner so this is my mindset too.
Cody Mcnall
08.10.2013
Originally Posted by sobi
So a while ago, I tried to get into ableton, but there was something that just wasn't intuitive about it to me. For whatever reason, it didn't translate that easy to me, and I started looking into Maschine. I seemed to be able to pick up on Maschine a little easier, and with a background of working on an MPC, it made it the easy choice. I've been using it for a couple of years now.
Not too long ago, I was talking to a friend about doing some colab work. He seemed to treat the fact that I worked inside of a maschine as majorly detrimental. Obviously working in different software is an/the issue, but he seemed to take issue with using it as a DAW. According to him, "we need to get you on ableton".
My question is what areas am I being majorly hurt on if I'm not using ableton/logic/etc.?
Was kind of in the same boat as you but I started with Maschine then my friend told me that I was msising out by not using Ableton. I got it about 4 months ago and just stopped cause I didnt it either and thought Maschine was alot easier to get into. Started using the Ableton template in maschine in Ableton and it has changed my whole perspective. I was using the mouse before but I believe I just needed to use Ableton with a controller to get a beter feel for it. You can also run Maschine as a plugin in Ableton so you have the best of both worlds.

Now I cant stop watching tutorials on Ableton lol
Ervin Calvery
04.10.2013		Why don't you check out the Maschine 2.0 update before deciding? A lot of things, like a mixer, side-chain compression, etc are finally here.

Originally Posted by sobi
My question is what areas am I being majorly hurt on if I'm not using ableton/logic/etc.?


The first thing I can believe of is the lack of an all-audio arrangement (especially with visible waveforms) - you would find this in Ableton, Pro Tools, Logic, and many others. For example, if you're working on hip-hop, and need to do work with the performance of an MC over your beat, this is a pain in Maschine.

Ableton is definitely the best plan for remixing. Even just warping, versus other options for audio/timescale pitch modification is worth the price of entry. Max for Live is definitely the best Max integration out there. Ableton's session view is also an important part of the creative process for a lot of people.
Darren Teboe
04.10.2013		So a while ago, I tried to get into ableton, but there was something that just wasn't intuitive about it to me. For whatever reason, it didn't translate that easy to me, and I started looking into Maschine. I seemed to be able to pick up on Maschine a little easier, and with a background of working on an MPC, it made it the easy choice. I've been using it for a couple of years now.
Not too long ago, I was talking to a friend about doing some colab work. He seemed to treat the fact that I worked inside of a maschine as majorly detrimental. Obviously working in different software is an/the issue, but he seemed to take issue with using it as a DAW. According to him, "we need to get you on ableton".
My question is what areas am I being majorly hurt on if I'm not using ableton/logic/etc.?
Johnsie Kingrea
09.10.2013		Haha I just found this guy a couple months ago and I thought the same thing. Super knowledgeable just needs a little bit more personality or excitement.
Darren Teboe
08.10.2013		After years, I finally found some tuts that do well. The kid has a super "calm" voice though, so it's not the best idea to listen to if you are already tired, but they are working for me.
http://www.youtube.com/user/SadowickProduction/videos
Marcos Zelko
08.10.2013		I just recently got Ableton live 9, and I also own Maschine Mk1. I honestly prefer working in live over maschine, something about the layout lets me get work done more efficiently. Now all I use Maschine for is a sample library and playing live with Traktor. I guess it comes down to personal preference. You can just run Maschine inside of live as a plug in so you can use both if you'd like.
Pauletta Place
08.10.2013		I have tried to get into Ableton a few times too. It doesn't click for me either. But Maschine does!

Maschine doesn't do everything that Ableton can. And leaving these things out makes Maschine a lot faster to get started with, but it also limits how far you can go. Maschine is designed to be paired with a DAW.

So, you don't have to learn a DAW. But eventually you will probably want to. There are a lot of DAWs to choose from. If Ableton doesn't click, then try another. I use Reaper to handle all the audio routing and sidechain stuff. I use Maschine to handle all the arranging and sound design.

Just remember, making music shouldn't be a frustrating for technical reasons. That will kill your creativity. Pick a workflow where the software doesn't get in your way. And if that doesn't include a DAW, then that is ok as long as you are making the music that you want to make.
Alycia Niederriter
08.10.2013
Originally Posted by sobi
So a while ago, I tried to get into ableton, but there was something that just wasn't intuitive about it to me.
This is exactly what I thought when I switched from Ableton to FL Studio from when I switched to FL Studio back to Ableton again about 2 weeks ago. I just can't get the hang of it. But yes do a bit of hard work and you'll have it in no time. But I'm still a beginner so this is my mindset too.
Johnsie Kingrea
08.10.2013		I'm not sure if alot of people know this but Ableton offers a student/education discount for the standard and suite version. Ableton standard is $269 with an education discount. I bought it and haven't looked back since.
Horace Hagwood
08.10.2013		As a new user of ableton it's is a very powerful program I always ran pro tools I am very impressed with ableton including the bridge feature. Just mess with it day after day and you will get the hint of it.
Monserrate Rupnow
08.10.2013		Use what works best for you, there's no right answer here.
Cody Mcnall
08.10.2013
Originally Posted by sobi
So a while ago, I tried to get into ableton, but there was something that just wasn't intuitive about it to me. For whatever reason, it didn't translate that easy to me, and I started looking into Maschine. I seemed to be able to pick up on Maschine a little easier, and with a background of working on an MPC, it made it the easy choice. I've been using it for a couple of years now.
Not too long ago, I was talking to a friend about doing some colab work. He seemed to treat the fact that I worked inside of a maschine as majorly detrimental. Obviously working in different software is an/the issue, but he seemed to take issue with using it as a DAW. According to him, "we need to get you on ableton".
My question is what areas am I being majorly hurt on if I'm not using ableton/logic/etc.?
Was kind of in the same boat as you but I started with Maschine then my friend told me that I was msising out by not using Ableton. I got it about 4 months ago and just stopped cause I didnt it either and thought Maschine was alot easier to get into. Started using the Ableton template in maschine in Ableton and it has changed my whole perspective. I was using the mouse before but I believe I just needed to use Ableton with a controller to get a beter feel for it. You can also run Maschine as a plugin in Ableton so you have the best of both worlds.

Now I cant stop watching tutorials on Ableton lol
Tera Baragan
05.10.2013		Maschine isn't a full Daw like ableton. Just get ableton, learn the little intricacys and run maschine inside it. You wont be dissapointed once you understand abletons sends and returns.
Belen Wermes
05.10.2013		i believe the main draw about ableton is it makes collaboration more easy? there's also a wealth of learning materials created for it.
Peggie Mineros
05.10.2013		I would say YES and the sooner the better. It takes a fair bit of time to get fluent in it. Dont put it off and dont waste your time with half measures. I blew a few years on FL studio because it was easier to use, but you will hit a wall at some point and will have to scratch all that time to learn a better daw like Ableton or Logic.
Ervin Calvery
04.10.2013		Why don't you check out the Maschine 2.0 update before deciding? A lot of things, like a mixer, side-chain compression, etc are finally here.

Originally Posted by sobi
My question is what areas am I being majorly hurt on if I'm not using ableton/logic/etc.?


The first thing I can believe of is the lack of an all-audio arrangement (especially with visible waveforms) - you would find this in Ableton, Pro Tools, Logic, and many others. For example, if you're working on hip-hop, and need to do work with the performance of an MC over your beat, this is a pain in Maschine.

Ableton is definitely the best plan for remixing. Even just warping, versus other options for audio/timescale pitch modification is worth the price of entry. Max for Live is definitely the best Max integration out there. Ableton's session view is also an important part of the creative process for a lot of people.

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