Kinda missing my tables.....
Kinda missing my tables..... Posted on: 10.10.2013 by Alecia Soulliere So I own an S4 and have been getting used to the controller thing after being a vinyl scratch dj for years. So far I have been liking the experience but I noticed that the digital aspect (i.e. use of cue points and effects, etc.) has drastically changed my mixes from what I had been used to using vinyl. So my girlfriend bought me a class at dubspot this past weekend as a gift, so I went and checked it out. When I walked into the classroom the first thing I noticed was that each station had 2 tech 12's or 1210's, either a rane or pioneer mixer, and a cdj. The software loaded up was SSL as well and I had only used traktor so this was going to be a new experience for me. Now I never used time code before, so I was pretty excited to give it a shot. Well I can tell you that after dropping the needle for the first time I was feeling quite nostalgic. The feel of vinyl is an experience like nothing else and I found myself immediately missing my tables. Also, I found SSL MUCH easier to beat match with the stacked waveforms and just the ability of being able to nudge the way I knew how (still getting used to it on the S4).I dont believe im ready to give up on my S4 as im sure all I need is practice, but the experience definitely got me reconsidering my controller decision. Has this happened to anyone else after switching from vinyl to a controller? Did you make the switch back? | |
| Delena Katherman 12.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Kaek
I use a combo of real vinyl and time code, so I obviously beatmatch the real vinyl by ear. I usually match it to a remix deck. If I have a lot going on, it's nice to just then use the phase meter to quickly match up the other deck, then fine tune it by ear. |
| Ervin Calvery 12.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by anteater32
Originally Posted by anteater32
Originally Posted by anteater32
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| Danae Dumler 10.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
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| Delena Katherman 09.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by djproben
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| Petra Arra 09.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by anteater32
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| Roy Houn 11.10.2013 | I have the S4 and use it along with my technics 1210's.Was tempted the other week to maybe swap the S4 for a Z2, but after mulling it over I've decided I may swell keep the S4 as it works very well with my turntables, and if I get the odd gig I can roll up with the S4 and macbook in my magma backpack, easy,simple and very effective set up. At home all I mix on is the turntables now though as its more fun:-) |
| Delena Katherman 12.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Kaek
I use a combo of real vinyl and time code, so I obviously beatmatch the real vinyl by ear. I usually match it to a remix deck. If I have a lot going on, it's nice to just then use the phase meter to quickly match up the other deck, then fine tune it by ear. |
| Ervin Calvery 12.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by anteater32
Originally Posted by anteater32
Originally Posted by anteater32
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| Dione Haimes 11.10.2013 | Rane 62 and some 1200's, you wont regret it and itll last you forever |
| Brunilda Kora 11.10.2013 | Listen - if your beat grid is not absolutely PERFECT, on BOTH tracks you are mixing, no matter how tight you get the phase meters, your tracks STILL won't be perfectly beat matched. DJ SOFTWARE (NOT just Traktor) can only use the information you give it. It cannot magically analyse EVERY track perfectly and get create the tempo and beat grid information automagically. This is why a lot of beginner DJ's have transitions that just DON'T sound tight. It's because they don't KNOW that their transitions aren't tight, cos, hey, the phase meter says the tracks are tempo and phase matched. You MUST treat these visual ques for what they are - LEARNING AIDS. Learning to Dj without any visual cues use to be pretty tough, but now, learning is easy. These visual aids MUST be treated like stabilisers (training wheels) on a bike. Use 'em to learn the basics, but as soon as you can manage without 'em, take 'em off and start learning jumps n' wheelies! |
| Monroe Vandeslunt 10.10.2013 | I've always considered using the phase meter as cheating. There is room to having both a turntable setup and a midi controller setup. Although I would personally ditch jog wheels of any kind in a midi controller setup. Having owned a twitch and now a X1+Z1 combo you can get by without a jog wheel just fine. I agree that the wheels of steel are much better than a jog wheel, so why settle for something that isn't the genuine article? I started DJing with traktor using a keyboard. Then for a while I saved money to get a midi controller and this was back when choices were very limited and most did not come with a built in soundcard. In the end though I ended up buying 1210's. Then latter on I got a midi controller. Sometimes I play on my 1210's, other times I want to sit down and flesh out so cool ideas on a midi controller. |
| Danae Dumler 10.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
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| Delena Katherman 09.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by djproben
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| Petra Arra 09.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by anteater32
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| Brunilda Kora 09.10.2013 | You should buy some turntables. I'd strongly recommend getting a nice pair of white 1210's... |
| Danae Dumler 09.10.2013 | I use my turntables a lot more than my controllers these days, I just find it more fun and more interactive; I also haven't stopped buying vinyl though. As for stackable waveforms, you might want to take a look at the traktor manual regarding the phase meter, if you haven't already. If your tracks are properly beatgridded, the phase meter is a far more accurate way to beatmatch by sight than the stackable waveforms, in my opinion. |
| Delena Katherman 09.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by anteater32
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| Tera Baragan 09.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by lemeiux1
You should have both running dude, your vinyl set up when you're feeling nostalgic and an s4 for doing gigs and such. |
| Alecia Soulliere 09.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
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| Alphonso Deitchman 09.10.2013 | There's crossfader adjust in Traktor's mixer settings. |
| Alecia Soulliere 09.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
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| Tera Baragan 09.10.2013 | Sounds to me like the NS7 and Serato dj could be the best of both worlds for you? |
| Stanley Peckman 09.10.2013 | Not quite the answer to the question you asked but you would be surprised at how many people on here started out as controllerists and have developed into turntabilists. I started on controllers, had an S4, bought 1210's after getting a free upgrade offer to Scratch from NI and never looked back. The S4 is gone but the 1210's will never be sold and I will at some point buy another couple of tt's. I use the Z2, the best thing about it (for me) is instant switching between real vinyl and timecode with no hassles, I can't and won't comment on SSL v TSP but honestly I find timecode way better than controller jog wheels, just feels natural and makes more sense. It means more expense to change your set up, but from the tone of your post I'd say timecode would be more satisfying for you. Best have a believe about what gives you the most pleasure, see where your heads at then work out a budget to change (if you want too) |
| Jodie Lenser 09.10.2013 | why not just go into a NS7?? best of both worlds.. its what I use |
| Alphonso Deitchman 09.10.2013 | You can always add a turntable or two to the S4, as long as you have Traktor Scratch. |
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