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Asking for a complete review on Studio Monitors (RP8, VXT8, HS80M, B3031A, and more)

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Asking for a complete review on Studio Monitors (RP8, VXT8, HS80M, B3031A, and more) Posted on: 18.05.2012 by Irwin Ney Hi DJTT! I know this is a topic that is debated every week since the beginning of times, but with this topic I'm trying to get attention from DJ Tech Tools, DJWorx and Digital DJ Tips about Home Studio Monitors. We really need a deep and complete review comparing the monitors side by side considering the DJ mind and the Producer Mind. What I would like is something that skratchworx once did with Headphones, that was a perfect and complete review, it continue to help a lot of people and will became my standard link to share among my friends. I will keep here only the 8 inches monitors for equal woofer size pool, and I will add their prices on US Dollars (for a single monitor) searched by Google Shopping so we can compare the budget: Can we add more monitors to the pool? Should we compare different Woofer sizes? I dunno if a 8 inches woofer could be too big for Home Studios... Would you add a subwoofer with any of those? DJ wise or Production wise? Now lets go to the contenders: Price Range: US$ 200 ~ US$ 300 Behringer B3031A - US$ 251 Prices: https://www.google.com/search?hl=pt&....0.EJwbPdoF5xc Link: http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/B3031A.aspx KRK Rokit RP8 G2 - US$ 225 Prices: https://www.google.com/search?q=krk+rp8&hl=pt&tbm=shop Link: http://www.krksys.com/krk-studio-mon...t/rokit-8.html Yamaha HS80M - US$ 299 Prices: https://www.google.com/search?hl=pt&....0.BpQbbWvftOE Link: http://usa.yamaha.com/products/music..._series/hs80m/ Price Range: US$ 500 and above on the next post Let the discussion begin
Ilana Enderson 08.06.2012	Originally Posted by tekki Could be great, though you really want to check how big the space is. (Oh and that most songs/tracks you like spinning, will sound bad, due to poor mastering. Cool, I'll have to try it out. I guess it'll probably teach me better EQing if it sounds crap..
Ilana Enderson 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by tekki This basically, though for the cheaper segment, you could always check the excellent Mackie MR-5 or MR8. One thing I can't stress enough: Make sure your studio is big enough for 8" woofers! If your studio is too small, go for 5". True, a bigger woofer makes a greater bass, though the bass needs the appropriate space to form. Room for this to take place increases as the size of the woofer increases. The only reason I was planning on going for monitors was for the nearfieldness. My hifi speakers I am using sound like crap and completely different from the 4 feet or so away that I use them. I really don't care about flat response since I just want some nice speakers for mucking about at home with.. what would be a better choice than monitors? Seems like everyone uses them.
Random X 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by RockingClub My personal attitude is "If you buy cheap stuff you'll at least buy twice". That's why I am now waiting until there is enough money to get Mackie HR824 MK2 while still working on some cheap computer multimedia speakers in the meantime. I already got the chance to test the Mackies in a studio and I really loved their sound. As far as I know their low frequency range and sound quality is far the best in their price and size range. What you have to be aware of is that reference monitors (for production purposes) are aimed at playing back your music as accurate as possible. They should not give you a bass boost or something like that. But this, on the other hand, could be the reason why you should want to have a second pair of speakers for enjoying or mixing your music. So if you really want to get the best of both worlds you will have to make some concessions. Out of your selection of three cheaper speakers I would take The Yamaha or Rokit (it's a matter of taste). This basically, though for the cheaper segment, you could always check the excellent Mackie MR-5 or MR8. One thing I can't stress enough: Make sure your studio is big enough for 8" woofers! If your studio is too small, go for 5". True, a bigger woofer makes a greater bass, though the bass needs the appropriate space to form. Room for this to take place increases as the size of the woofer increases.
Ilana Enderson 06.06.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Just get a sub... for DJing rokkits and KRK sub is great. If you just get nearfield monitors you're not going to be satisfied with any of the low end since they aim for flatter response, so for DJing it's nice to have a sub that you can turn up independently and have far from a flat response and more the type of sound you are used to hearing out. rokkits+10s are great for this (for DJing). Yep I was completely unsatisfied with the low end without one! Kick drums just sound like absolute shit from a purely pleasurable listening standpoint. The Rokit 8s sounded quite good with the Yorkville sub in the shop (in Canada, Canadian brand) but there were some yorkville monitors that with the gain turned up a bit on the bass sounded just as good for cheaper. Still wasn't 100% satisfied though to be honest.. Ever tried the Behringer 3031/3030 models? I hear they are quite bassy but the shop I went to nearby doesn't have them in stock. Might be what I'm looking for since accuracy isn't a priority at all.
Ilana Enderson 06.06.2012	Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle I wouldn't recommend any nearfield monitors for DJing purposes unless you produce too and can only get one set of speakers. And it all depends on the size of the room. The 8" Rockits would sound absolutely ridiculous in my 9 foot by 8 foot studio. I'm looking for some nearfield speakers right now just for DJing at home. How come studio monitors aren't a good choice for DJing with? The whole idea is the nearfield optimization right? I'm using some old hi-fi stuff and it sounds like crap so close to my ears. I have found that while testing out monitors in a shop I want more and more bass and a fuller low end. The Rokit 8s were barely cutting it and if I got them I would definitely want a sub with it. For dnb and any kind of bass music it just seems essential. What would be some good nearfield speakers then that have a solid low end?
Sylvia Greener 19.05.2012	Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle The 8" Rockits would sound absolutely ridiculous in my 9 foot by 8 foot studio. This is nonsense. There is a need for bigger speakers in bigger rooms, but there's no need to have a small speaker in a small room (apart from that it actually has to fit into the room for sure ) You simply don't increase the volume of those big speakers as much as you would have done in a big room, but those big speakers definitely won't lose their superiority in sound accuracy and frequency spectrum range (in comparison to smaller speakers) standing in a small room. Professional speakers also give you the possibility to adapt their sound a little bit to your room configuration. In the SAE studio where I was able to test the Mackie HR824 Mk2 they had put the Mackies into a 9 foot by 12 foot room.
Ilana Enderson 08.06.2012	Originally Posted by tekki Could be great, though you really want to check how big the space is. (Oh and that most songs/tracks you like spinning, will sound bad, due to poor mastering. Cool, I'll have to try it out. I guess it'll probably teach me better EQing if it sounds crap..
Dorie Scelzo 08.06.2012	My choices… DJing: KRK RP5 + RP10s Produciton: Genelec 2.1 DSP or Dynaudio BM12A + BM14S and Yamaha NS-10m with a Bryston or Yamaha amp.
Random X 08.06.2012	Could be great, though you really want to check how big the space is. (Oh and that most songs/tracks you like spinning, will sound bad, due to poor mastering. (!)) (9100!!!)
Ilana Enderson 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by tekki This basically, though for the cheaper segment, you could always check the excellent Mackie MR-5 or MR8. One thing I can't stress enough: Make sure your studio is big enough for 8" woofers! If your studio is too small, go for 5". True, a bigger woofer makes a greater bass, though the bass needs the appropriate space to form. Room for this to take place increases as the size of the woofer increases. The only reason I was planning on going for monitors was for the nearfieldness. My hifi speakers I am using sound like crap and completely different from the 4 feet or so away that I use them. I really don't care about flat response since I just want some nice speakers for mucking about at home with.. what would be a better choice than monitors? Seems like everyone uses them.
Random X 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by RockingClub My personal attitude is "If you buy cheap stuff you'll at least buy twice". That's why I am now waiting until there is enough money to get Mackie HR824 MK2 while still working on some cheap computer multimedia speakers in the meantime. I already got the chance to test the Mackies in a studio and I really loved their sound. As far as I know their low frequency range and sound quality is far the best in their price and size range. What you have to be aware of is that reference monitors (for production purposes) are aimed at playing back your music as accurate as possible. They should not give you a bass boost or something like that. But this, on the other hand, could be the reason why you should want to have a second pair of speakers for enjoying or mixing your music. So if you really want to get the best of both worlds you will have to make some concessions. Out of your selection of three cheaper speakers I would take The Yamaha or Rokit (it's a matter of taste). This basically, though for the cheaper segment, you could always check the excellent Mackie MR-5 or MR8. One thing I can't stress enough: Make sure your studio is big enough for 8" woofers! If your studio is too small, go for 5". True, a bigger woofer makes a greater bass, though the bass needs the appropriate space to form. Room for this to take place increases as the size of the woofer increases.
Penny Declerk 07.06.2012
Irwin Ney 06.06.2012	It's the same in Brazil Navad, crazy taxes
Elinor Happer 06.06.2012	Very useful thread for people looking for monitors to DJ at home with. I really believe that most bedroom DJs who don't produce would rather have cheaper but less accurate sound, just to listen to their mixes with something better than, even if good quality ones, PC speakers. Here in Israel, for example, monitors are damn expensive. A pair of KRK Rokit 5s - that are by far the most seen monitors in the setup threads, and sell in the DJTT store, which I'm sure is far from being the cheapest, for 300$, would cost here around 600$. Crazy prices.
Irwin Ney 06.06.2012	Nice to see that my thread is still up, i didn't bought my monitors yet, but gonna do it very soon, I already have the money, just need the time to make room at home and to buy a new desk for my DJing/computer stuff. Thank you all for your opinions
Ilana Enderson 06.06.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Just get a sub... for DJing rokkits and KRK sub is great. If you just get nearfield monitors you're not going to be satisfied with any of the low end since they aim for flatter response, so for DJing it's nice to have a sub that you can turn up independently and have far from a flat response and more the type of sound you are used to hearing out. rokkits+10s are great for this (for DJing). Yep I was completely unsatisfied with the low end without one! Kick drums just sound like absolute shit from a purely pleasurable listening standpoint. The Rokit 8s sounded quite good with the Yorkville sub in the shop (in Canada, Canadian brand) but there were some yorkville monitors that with the gain turned up a bit on the bass sounded just as good for cheaper. Still wasn't 100% satisfied though to be honest.. Ever tried the Behringer 3031/3030 models? I hear they are quite bassy but the shop I went to nearby doesn't have them in stock. Might be what I'm looking for since accuracy isn't a priority at all.
Romelia Stankard 06.06.2012	Just get a sub... for DJing rokkits and KRK sub is great. If you just get nearfield monitors you're not going to be satisfied with any of the low end since they aim for flatter response, so for DJing it's nice to have a sub that you can turn up independently and have far from a flat response and more the type of sound you are used to hearing out. rokkits+10s are great for this (for DJing).
Ilana Enderson 06.06.2012	Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle I wouldn't recommend any nearfield monitors for DJing purposes unless you produce too and can only get one set of speakers. And it all depends on the size of the room. The 8" Rockits would sound absolutely ridiculous in my 9 foot by 8 foot studio. I'm looking for some nearfield speakers right now just for DJing at home. How come studio monitors aren't a good choice for DJing with? The whole idea is the nearfield optimization right? I'm using some old hi-fi stuff and it sounds like crap so close to my ears. I have found that while testing out monitors in a shop I want more and more bass and a fuller low end. The Rokit 8s were barely cutting it and if I got them I would definitely want a sub with it. For dnb and any kind of bass music it just seems essential. What would be some good nearfield speakers then that have a solid low end?
Romelia Stankard 19.05.2012	^ pretty much. The speakers too big for the room myth needs to die down.
Sylvia Greener 19.05.2012	Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle The 8" Rockits would sound absolutely ridiculous in my 9 foot by 8 foot studio. This is nonsense. There is a need for bigger speakers in bigger rooms, but there's no need to have a small speaker in a small room (apart from that it actually has to fit into the room for sure ) You simply don't increase the volume of those big speakers as much as you would have done in a big room, but those big speakers definitely won't lose their superiority in sound accuracy and frequency spectrum range (in comparison to smaller speakers) standing in a small room. Professional speakers also give you the possibility to adapt their sound a little bit to your room configuration. In the SAE studio where I was able to test the Mackie HR824 Mk2 they had put the Mackies into a 9 foot by 12 foot room.
Marshall Aby 19.05.2012	I wouldn't recommend any nearfield monitors for DJing purposes unless you produce too and can only get one set of speakers. And it all depends on the size of the room. The 8" Rockits would sound absolutely ridiculous in my 9 foot by 8 foot studio.
Romelia Stankard 19.05.2012	Originally Posted by djproben Well technically these are 7" monitors but I'd throw Adam A7X on the list too ($500 each). And I forget the name of them but someone did a monitor for $300/pair recently that is supposed to be the bomb; it was discussed on another monitor thread a week or two ago. But yeah it's probably best to have separate sections for DJ and Production use as people will want different things. I'd be very interesting in hearing more about the Focal CMS65s. I have Focal computer speakers (XS is I believe the model) and they are just luscious. Those would be the Equator D5s at $299 a pair. Yeah the Focals are pretty damn awesome. I had to go out on a leap of faith and trust all the phenomenal reviews I read of them since I couldn't test them locally- I couldn't find anyone who had nothing but praise for them and I like them a lot more than the Dynaudios and Adams I had heard. They are really clear, precise, and pleasant to listen too and I'm glad I spent the extra cash for them.
Sylvia Greener 19.05.2012	My personal attitude is "If you buy cheap stuff you'll at least buy twice". That's why I am now waiting until there is enough money to get Mackie HR824 MK2 while still working on some cheap computer multimedia speakers in the meantime. I already got the chance to test the Mackies in a studio and I really loved their sound. As far as I know their low frequency range and sound quality is far the best in their price and size range. What you have to be aware of is that reference monitors (for production purposes) are aimed at playing back your music as accurate as possible. They should not give you a bass boost or something like that. But this, on the other hand, could be the reason why you should want to have a second pair of speakers for enjoying or mixing your music. So if you really want to get the best of both worlds you will have to make some concessions. Out of your selection of three cheaper speakers I would take The Yamaha or Rokit (it's a matter of taste).
Danae Dumler 19.05.2012	Well technically these are 7" monitors but I'd throw Adam A7X on the list too ($500 each). And I forget the name of them but someone did a monitor for $300/pair recently that is supposed to be the bomb; it was discussed on another monitor thread a week or two ago. But yeah it's probably best to have separate sections for DJ and Production use as people will want different things. I'd be very interesting in hearing more about the Focal CMS65s. I have Focal computer speakers (XS is I believe the model) and they are just luscious.
Lorna Hagerty 19.05.2012	dude spend the money, Either genelecs, Dynaudio, Adam's, tannoys, events. theres a few other good brands but those I'd call the main contenders
Irwin Ney 18.05.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Speakers being too big for a studio space is also mostly a myth to an extent, often perpetuated to sell small monitors. If you have 80 db coming out of a 10" woofer or 80db coming out of a 5" woofer the room doesn't know the difference- you just might have better low frequency response and getting monitors with less low frequency output doesn't really solve any problems with the room or your ability to hear the mix right. As you can see, I'm not a good person to review and compare, I don't even have a monitor to argue with you. What I'm intending to do is to get attention so we can find a person to do a big manual/wiki/document that can be use to all those beginners trying to build their first home studio.
Irwin Ney 18.05.2012	Well, personally, my main doubt is what to buy for mixing and producing at home, I need the best for the two worlds and I'm believeing about a lower budget and a small and not properly configured size/disposition room, as most of home studios are. If it would be best to buy a monitor with a smaller woofer and better quality and then add a subwoofer and turn it on only to DJ properly I would do it. I've only added the higher end to this thread be more appealing and to get more attention from the pro reviewers at the DJ World. Let's see what will happen. I also will search the community s to find the old discussions and link them at the first post so this can be a fixed topic as it seems to be a recurrent subject at the community s... If you guys can contribute here with links to some nice discussions/reviews would be perfect.
Romelia Stankard 18.05.2012	What are we comparing? I really don't believe most studio monitors should be looked at from a DJ perspective- that kind of defeats the purpose and there is no point looking at Genelecs from the perspective of a DJ mixing at home. There are some monitors like the rokkits and some cheaper stuff that are good for DJing but that is a completely different conversation when looking at them for producing. If we're going to review studio monitors lets look at it from a studio perspective- and really the challenge of this is how to objectively review them. With monitors especially it seems to turn into "I own these so they are great". And on that note I'll add Focal CMS series. Focal CMS 65s are $795 each, CMS 50s are $695 each. http://www.focalprofessional.com/en/cms-line/cms-65.php When you get into higher end monitors you're not going to be DJing with them too. Should we compare different Woofer sizes? I dunno if a 8 inches woofer could be too big for Home Studios... Would you add a subwoofer with any of those? DJ wise or Production wise? Speakers being too big for a studio space is also mostly a myth to an extent, often perpetuated to sell small monitors. If you have 80 db coming out of a 10" woofer or 80db coming out of a 5" woofer the room doesn't know the difference- you just might have better low frequency response and getting monitors with less low frequency output doesn't really solve any problems with the room or your ability to hear the mix right.
Irwin Ney 18.05.2012	Price Range: US$ 500 and above KRK VXT8 - US$ 599 Prices: https://www.google.com/search?hl=pt&....0.BM8E4eJ8xtk Link: http://www.krksys.com/krk-studio-mon.../vxt/vxt8.html Mackie HR824mk2 - US$ 680 Prices: https://www.google.com/search?hl=pt&....0.lignKcYtF0Y Link: http://www.mackie.com/products/hrmk2series/ Genelec 8050a - Around US$ 950 Prices: https://www.google.com/search?hl=pt&....0.Ubc13QsyDps Link: http://www.genelec.com/products/2-way-monitors/8050a/

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Asking for a complete review on Studio Monitors (RP8, VXT8, HS80M, B3031A, and more)