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So, about all those DOWNLOAD MY TRACK FOR FREE NOW! Facebook/Twitter updates Posted on: 24.06.2012 by Len Lukawski At some point in the not too distant future I intend to begin producing. I have been dabbling in it on and off for 15 years and while it will never be my full time job, it's something I am going to take more seriously going forward. So let's say that I create this amazing track, fit for dancefloors across the globe. I then offer it out as a free download and get a few people downloading and playing it. How does this affect getting it signed? My questions are:
If you offer you offer up free downloads of your tracks
If you don't offer free downloads - why don't you? Sensible discussion please. let's talk about YOUR experiences, not someone you know or a DJ/producer you love or hate. | |
| Matt Kane 25.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
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| Natalia Bucko 25.06.2012 | 22501036.jpg How did you get into the position of Moderator again? Clearly your objectiveness and ability to act without personal bias wasn't taken into consideration. Neither was your judgement, as you've just warned that you'll continue to fill other threads with this discussion.
Originally Posted by ksandvik
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| Celestine Porebski 25.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
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| Random X 25.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
Just believe what would happen if we were to discuss piracy and even endorse it? If believes go completely pear, it could mean the end of this community! It's quite easy to state that moderators get zealous, but it's more difficult to believe about the bigger picture here (and having to act up on it being a moderator). Please believe about that before making any bold statements in future. |
| Natalia Bucko 24.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by shr3dder
But it's somewhat rare that I can't somehow get ahold of a track i want to play for free. |
| Random X 25.06.2012 | Please report back to us with 7 days, maybe we will open your account again. |
| Random X 25.06.2012 | Indeed Ed, I expected a lot more from someone who already was on board since January 2012. Here goes a temp ban, for trolling and testing our community rules. |
| Matt Kane 25.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
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| Dione Haimes 25.06.2012 | Seen on youtube somewhere some guy interviewed Zedd and Dillon Francis, they both said, release your stuff for free unless it is TOP tier, then try get it signed to a decent label, medium tier and free downloads will you get you a bigger fanbase, oh and top40 remixes get you well known if theyre good. |
| Natalia Bucko 25.06.2012 | 22501036.jpg How did you get into the position of Moderator again? Clearly your objectiveness and ability to act without personal bias wasn't taken into consideration. Neither was your judgement, as you've just warned that you'll continue to fill other threads with this discussion.
Originally Posted by ksandvik
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| Random X 25.06.2012 | If you got stuff to address, do it to us directly, don't fill topics with this information. (Also, if you do fill other topics with this, don't expect us not to answer.) Like photojojo said:"Back on topic please." |
| Leeanna Ayla 25.06.2012 | Back on topic please. |
| Celestine Porebski 25.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
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| Natalia Bucko 25.06.2012 | I understand the reason for the rule. I'm just disputing the interpretation and enforcement OF the rule. I was making a targeted reference about the other day, when padi deleted a comment and "warned me" when I had in no way condoned or suggested piracy, just suggested someone look into getting traktor for free, and warned him not to talk about piracy, as it would be deleted. It was abuse, and he's not been able to show me where it's written that I broke a rule, nor come up with a defense, so I'm not going to let it go until there's some resolution. Further, this shouldn't really be clogging up the community , so if you want to discuss it, feel free to PM me. I only post this in the open so that it's at least known that there's something going on on the moderator side. |
| Random X 25.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
Just believe what would happen if we were to discuss piracy and even endorse it? If believes go completely pear, it could mean the end of this community! It's quite easy to state that moderators get zealous, but it's more difficult to believe about the bigger picture here (and having to act up on it being a moderator). Please believe about that before making any bold statements in future. |
| Celine Surico 25.06.2012 | In this current world of music, getting someone to even download your track is a victory concerning promotion. |
| Natalia Bucko 24.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by shr3dder
But it's somewhat rare that I can't somehow get ahold of a track i want to play for free. |
| Ara Tima 24.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
BUT. What do you mean by if you can't find it for free you won't play it? Surely that massively limits what you can play? Unless you mean pirated copies which is a whole different thing. |
| Natalia Bucko 24.06.2012 | A thousand times yes. Free downloads need to be standard. Unless you're close to top tier, selling your tracks is a joke anyways. The self-righteous "if I like an artist, i want to support him" people are so few and far between that you're never going to make anything but a negligable amount of money anyway unless you're famous. Think about Pretty Lights for example. Never sold a single track, but he's TOP tier, plays sold out shows almost every evening . Owns his own label, and can make anyone famous that he wants to. Seriously, the days of record labels and paying for releases are dead and gone. Free tracks and paid shows are the way the music industry HAS to go if they want to keep making any money at all. Plus, as an EDM artist, unless you're famous, the majority of people that would be finding and downloading your tracks anyways are DJs who want to spin your music, which should be your goal. Your average EDM fan doesn't go hunting for underground tracks on beatport and soundcloud... They maybe buy the new releases of the top-teir producers, and then the occasional tracks that they've heard someone play and asked for a track name. personally, I've purchased only a handful of tracks to spin ever, and they were only because they were absolute MUST haves that I couldn't find for free anywhere. The VAST majority of time when i go "yeah that's cool, I'd spin that" and I can't find it for free anywhere, I'll just forget it. There are a million other tracks I can get for free that are just as good... And boom, they've just lost the promo they'd get from being spun at events. |
| Pansy Shiveley 24.06.2012 | Even though free tracks won't get you signed, most labels will be far more interested in a producer with a large following. Create a fanbase with freebies first, get signed second, with new tracks you don't hand out. Not my personal experience as I don't produce, but it seems pretty straightforward to me. |
| Alla Bluemke 24.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Miec
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| Len Lukawski 24.06.2012 | Thanks - really looking for input from those who produce and release. Don't wish to appear rude, just looking to avoid conjecture |
| Debby Ramshur 24.06.2012 | I don't have any producing experience myself, so I can only report what I observe from others. One thing I notice a lot, is that producers create edits or remixes of tracks where they have no real chance of getting the rights legally anyway. Examples: Lana del Rey - Video Games (Joris Voorn Edit), Mumford & Sons - Little Lion Man (Monkey Safari Remix) or the Somebody that I used to know Edits everybody and their mother uploaded a while ago. I can't comment on the legal risk of doing this, but there are some serious promotional advantages. If you DJ additionally to your production, these edits are likely going to be "signature tracks" in your set that everybody remembers. Making it available (of course after you played it excessively) can increase the connection between you and the people coming to your gigs. This can also be a form to promote your facebook/soundcloud profile if you tell people that you'll make it available soon and they'll get it if they follow you. |
| Len Lukawski 24.06.2012 | Good responses. So are all the FREE Download merchants basically telling the world their tracks aren't of sufficient quality to warrant people paying for them or are they just unaware of the ramifications of the free download? |
| Nedra Fresneda 24.06.2012 | I never had issues with full tracks posted in soundcloud, downloads disabled of course. Why disable them? It's a direct hit on your sales and an automatic ignore for labels on unsigned material (why should they bother getting the exclusivity of selling it if people can get it for free?). I do hand them out as white labels to a handful of people pre release tho and tend to enable dowloads for short periods on tracks that have been out for a while. |
| Romelia Stankard 24.06.2012 | For what's it's worth there are some labels that won't accept submissions of tracks that are publicly available anywhere (free download or not). |
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