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Audio 10 timecode issues = a little please :)
Posted on: 21.12.2011 by Caryn Liberato
My new Audio 10 landed today but she's (or possibly Traktor) being an awkward blighter!

All seems normal at first, computer selects Audio 10 as sound device and works perfectly. Open Traktor, load a deck, hit play and works as you expect. But when I attempt to use timecode it won't calibrate, the timecode signal strength bar fly's up, indercating a strong signal but then it won't calibrate? I've gone down all the ordinary avenues, all cables, needles checked and re checked over and over, all nesseary hardware drivers installed and up to date, restart Traktor, computer on off, blah blah blah .....

I've then re hooked up my Audio 8 and timecode works fine. I've since tried "2" of my friends Audio 10's and the exactly same problem arises and my Audio 10 works fine on there Traktor, which for me narrows it down to the software.

For once I'm sure it's not user error (hmmm) anyone got a clue what I might be doing wrong?

I know the original Timecode records won't work on newly registered TP2, but I've been on Traktor for a few years now, alas it's the only thing I can narrow it down too, here's a pic of the evidence.

Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Nita Eviston
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by Dubba Dutch
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I've ordered the mrk 2 timecode records to see if it is a OG timecode lock out thing, failing that my Mac HDD is due a clean up and a thresh install, so I'll give that a go post xmas, something to look forward to!!

This is exactly what you need. I noticed that my mk1s would no longer when i updated to that a few months ago and had to grab the mk2s, which have worked perfectly and i can replicate the problem by dropping the older vinyl back on. The good news is they are infinitely better than the mk1s for tracking etc.. The bad news is my clear vinyl mk1s are basically useless now

good luck man
Caryn Liberato
22.12.2011		Good point photojojo, I'll give that a try when I get down me studio.

Originally Posted by Rkid_Dan
it basically shows up as a narrow line.
One narrow line should mean its not recieving a stereo input, which means its hardware based, unless you haven't got correct inputs set up in preferences.

If all cables, needles, decks or cdj works fine on one side and not the other, it could sadly mean that one of the inputs on the Audio 6 may well be faulty.
Jonell Gallitz
28.06.2012		Solve my problem upgrading to Lion
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		i've also upgraded to snow leopard since 2.5 doesn t work on leopard
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		My problem is with timecode cds... since i
Nita Eviston
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by Dubba Dutch
\
I've ordered the mrk 2 timecode records to see if it is a OG timecode lock out thing, failing that my Mac HDD is due a clean up and a thresh install, so I'll give that a go post xmas, something to look forward to!!

This is exactly what you need. I noticed that my mk1s would no longer when i updated to that a few months ago and had to grab the mk2s, which have worked perfectly and i can replicate the problem by dropping the older vinyl back on. The good news is they are infinitely better than the mk1s for tracking etc.. The bad news is my clear vinyl mk1s are basically useless now

good luck man
Hipolito Scionti
26.06.2012		What OS you running?
Delila Vandommelen
26.06.2012		Looks like there's a bit of spray over that. When you don't have the needles on the records, do you see a single dot at the center of the scope? Maybe you're getting some kind of grounding issue with the A10 (the power supply is two prong only so it shouldn't be but you never know I guess).
See what happens if you lift ground on your laptop as well (just try unplugging the power adapter).
I'm also wondering... what happens if your friends plug into your home setup? Maybe it'd fail for them too.

The last gig I played, a guy had a similar issue to yours with his 2.1.x + A10, except the scope was cleaner and TSP2 just said "waiting" with both mk1/mk2 records. That happened with an A8 and his A10. we changed sample rate/buffer values to no avail. He ended up using internal transport with the X1.
I didn't want to ask but assumed his TP2 to be legit, hope yours is too.

What I didn't try with him though was plugging the RCAs straight into his A10, we kept using my multicores. Used these with that A8 and mine at two points during the evening on two laptops and me + the other guys squatting my A8 didn't encounter any calibration issues. I didn't really want to plug him in directly because one of the TT's RCAs was a bit iffy ... and he'd experienced that problem in the past without multicore cables anyway.

Also you're on 2.1.2 so that should rule out a calibration glitch they had then ...(just doubletripequadruple check... you never know, maybe you're still loading the 2.1.1 app?)
Jonell Gallitz
26.06.2012		Same problem here with my audio 10.
Audio 4 and Audio 8 works fine.
Caryn Liberato
22.12.2011		Good point photojojo, I'll give that a try when I get down me studio.

Originally Posted by Rkid_Dan
it basically shows up as a narrow line.
One narrow line should mean its not recieving a stereo input, which means its hardware based, unless you haven't got correct inputs set up in preferences.

If all cables, needles, decks or cdj works fine on one side and not the other, it could sadly mean that one of the inputs on the Audio 6 may well be faulty.
Leeanna Ayla
22.12.2011		Have you tried different drivers?
Mauro Left
22.12.2011		I don't have access to the timecode 'til the 2nd of january again, But it basically shows up as a narrow line. Have tried all suggested methods to fix it with no joy.
But i plan to uninstall traktor completely when i get back to England and re-install it from ground up. *fingers crossed*

But one of my timecode works just not the other so i'm pretty lost.
And no unfortunately not, No access to any other NI interface other than an A2DJ.
Caryn Liberato
22.12.2011		Thanks for the continued input guys! everything that has been suggested has yet to work.

Gonna try a few more things before I start making international calls to NI US or Germany, I've ordered the mrk 2 timecode records to see if it is a OG timecode lock out thing, failing that my Mac HDD is due a clean up and a thresh install, so I'll give that a go post xmas, something to look forward to!! I just wanna try everything before I contact NI, as I'm pretty sure this is a bug/software lock out.

@Rkid Dan, hey mate, can you describe what your calibration circle thingies look like, or possibly post a screen capture. Do you have access to Audio 4 or 8 to test if they calibrate ok?



As pictured, I get decent circle's that are not deformed, but they won't turn from white to yellow/orange as they normally do once calibrated
Mauro Left
22.12.2011		I'm having pretty much the exact same problem with my Audio 6.
Leah Shawkey
21.12.2011		Try reinstalling the audio 10 driver. If that doesn't work maybe check that the settings are correct in the audio 10 settings (I forget the name of it, it's in the native instruments folder I believe) software. You want it set to line for cdj and phono for turntables.
Shala Busso
21.12.2011		Have you tried adjusting the latency settings at all? I've had my latency set too low in the past, and it would not calibrate at all.

Maybe compare all of the software settings on the laptops also.
Cristian Carmona
21.12.2011
Originally Posted by Dubba Dutch
T2 in general has been a bit of a bumpy ride for me, I can only imagine what it's like to experience the care free world of Dicers and a TTM 57
plug and play with minimal bugs. circa 2006 mixer running like a champ. I love the fx with traktor & the timecode. Give the guys at NI a call tomorrow in Cali, there open til 4 or 5 PM PST>
Caryn Liberato
21.12.2011
Originally Posted by JesC
man that sucks homie, another reason why i jumped ship to the dark side. I still have my A8 cause its a beast.
T2 in general has been a bit of a bumpy ride for me, I can only imagine what it's like to experience the care free world of Dicers and a TTM 57
Cristian Carmona
21.12.2011
Originally Posted by Dubba Dutch
I've quite literarily exhausted and narrowed down all hardware elements, I'm all but convinced it's a software based problem/lock out. Between my fellow Traktor interface wielding friends and I, we have two Audio 8 and three Audio 10, all work fine when my friends hook up there laptops, but when I replace there Macs with mine, "all" three Audio 10's don't wanna calibrate but the two Audio 8's work as they should with brilliant strong clean crisp signal.

Thanks for pitching in people, this is really making my shit itch!
man that sucks homie, another reason why i jumped ship to the dark side. I still have my A8 cause its a beast.
Caryn Liberato
21.12.2011
Originally Posted by JesC
i would suggest to hook up the RCA from the 1200/CDJ directly to the A10. Start by disconnecting everything. Just open TSP with just the A10 plugged in then go from there.
I've quite literarily exhausted and narrowed down all hardware elements, I'm all but convinced it's a software based problem/lock out. Between my fellow Traktor interface wielding friends and I, we have two Audio 8 and three Audio 10, all work fine when my friends hook up there laptops, but when I replace there Macs with mine, "all" three Audio 10's don't wanna calibrate but the two Audio 8's work as they should with brilliant strong clean crisp signal.

Thanks for pitching in people, this is really making my shit itch!
Cristian Carmona
21.12.2011		i would suggest to hook up the RCA from the 1200/CDJ directly to the A10. Start by disconnecting everything. Just open TSP with just the A10 plugged in then go from there.
Wei Lebeaux
21.12.2011		Sounds like a channel issue to me. Are you switching your RCAs? When I first got my Audio 4 and my 1200s, I was having a problem with the channels on one of my Ortofon cartridges, and it gave me the stretched oval when I could get any signal out of it at all. Cleaning the contacts fixed the problem though....
Caryn Liberato
21.12.2011
Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle
You running 2.1.2?

Indeed I am, everything up to date
Kasi Marget
21.12.2011		Can't help you on that one, but just so that you know : I also had problems with an Audio 10 and TSP 2 (last version available can't remember the name)

With MK2 Timecode cds i had this :


And sometimes the blue circle was so streched, it was a very "flat" oval, almost like a line. But i could still play tracks since the calibration was done correctly.

Couldn't find the source of the problem, and it was not related to the CDs, because i swapped CDs between the 2 decks and it was still happing on the same deck.
So i just removed the scope display, so i don't see the weird oval, and i don't even know if it's still here I don't mind, for the moment it works
Marshall Aby
21.12.2011		You running 2.1.2?

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