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AWESOME article on the current state of dance music/DJing in light of recent events

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AWESOME article on the current state of dance music/DJing in light of recent events Posted on: 26.06.2012 by Romelia Stankard There have been a lot of articles recently on this subject but this one really gets the big picture and point across and is very well written. Press Play? Hit Start http://hotwaterinc.tumblr.com/post/25938207447/hitstart Awesome.
Dorie Scelzo 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by powwow thanks for posting this i really needed it! She really puts her thoughts, feelings, and love (of the music), to paper perfectly. qft.
Romelia Stankard 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket what dancefloor ??? > Well, I guess in the case of South Beach super clubs they would have to remove the giant VIP area out of the middle of the dance floor first.
Jerica Salava 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Invoke- that's a shame since this is the first article that really gets it I did not grow up in the club scene and I'm kind of traveling backwards in my journey discovering music- I started on the more accessible electronic stuff around 2006-2007 in college and never was a part of the scene the article talks about. Now I have broadened my horizons and am finding ways to experience this kind of vibe and I would have love to have been to some of these NY clubs that are now gone and experience some of these sets. I like the part about no cameras and cell phones on the dance floor being enforced- I feel like places should do that now. what dancefloor ??? >
Romelia Stankard 27.06.2012	Yeah pretty much. Originally Posted by squidot when i saw steve lawer on the turntables my mind was blown. i've never heard a more technically perfect set full of brilliant, darkly sexy tribal tracks strung together in my life. not at one point did even a kick waver in the slightest bit when he was mixing, with some tracks overlapping by large amounts. there were many times that evening i could not even tell if a transition occurred and i was in heaven. Same- Lawler was great when I saw him. Say what you want about ultra music festival but away from the main stage there was tons of quality acts and even seeing lawler, hawtin, carl cox, etc. there was pretty mindblowing.
Ara Tima 26.06.2012	Originally Posted by dripstep We have lots of clubs around me, that play the same top 40 songs every week, but there is also a evening that some friends of mine put on in a little hole in the wall bar that is all drum and bass. Not your little brothers radio play, and that's why we all go. Maybe only 20-30 people, but the scene is tight because of its size. Yeah, I'm from a much bigger city (Melbourne), shit loads of crappy clubs, but quite a few decent ones. Basically no matter what you listen to you can be sure there's a scene for it. A respectable scene. But this is city thats responsible for Anthony Pappa, Phil K, Infusion, Nubreed, Luke Chable, Ivan Gough etc etc. It was a hub for progressive house in the 2000s and lots of clubs have always kept that ethos.
Kristofer Krauel 28.06.2012	We should turn this into a nostalgia thread so we can recall some of our greatest dance floor experiences. Love that article. Mirrors my sentiments exactly. Here are still some great dj's around. Up and coming dj's as well. You just have to search harder to weed them out from the guff. Let the electro pop jockeys do there thing and the rest of us can keep searching. Thanks for this Xone. Nice one buddy.
Nilsa Erben 28.06.2012	Great article...I won't talk about where I got my introduction, oh fuck, why not...its was this guy: Vincent Degiorgio who played in a tiny Portuguese after hours club in Toronto called Le Tube - he would go from ItaloDisco to Hi-NRG to New Wave in a few heartbeats and drive us all wild. After that I was lucky enough to hang out at the Twilight Zone/ which had the best sound system I have ever heard. Used to park my acid-stoned ass on the bassbins, when I wasn't flying around the floor.
Dorie Scelzo 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by powwow thanks for posting this i really needed it! She really puts her thoughts, feelings, and love (of the music), to paper perfectly. qft.
Hiedi Sat 27.06.2012	Thanks for posting this I really needed it! She really puts her thoughts, feelings, and love (of the music), to paper perfectly.
Onie Sarandos 27.06.2012	Cool article. I had some similar experiences, as I was introduced to house music by Jonathan Peters at Sound Factory in the late '90s. I've heard similar stories from people who cut their teeth on Junior Vasquez in the early '90s at the old Sound Factory. Those were some of the best times in my life, and I lament the fact that that doesn't seem to be represented at the same level these days (i'm sure there are some great dj residencies still going on in my area that i dont know about). But i still dont view the avicii/deadmau5/SHM shows as destroying the scene at all. It's just a symptom of this type of music becoming ultra popular. its the same with all types of music. When it goes mainstream, people hate the artists who become the most popular, claim they are ruining the scene, and bemoan the death of "the good old days". these new huge commercial shows certainly are not cool in the same way those old DT, JP, etc. marathons were cool. Those were long intimate journeys that were about the music and the people. The commercial shows of today are more like rock concerts. But that's ok. There's room for both. It doesn't just have to be one or the other. This too shall run its course and, at the end, when the giant commercial electronic shows can't draw like they draw now and eventually dry up, there will still be some dude spinning in a dark evening club somewhere until 11 am. and the beat will go on.
Romelia Stankard 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket what dancefloor ??? > Well, I guess in the case of South Beach super clubs they would have to remove the giant VIP area out of the middle of the dance floor first.
Jerica Salava 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Invoke- that's a shame since this is the first article that really gets it I did not grow up in the club scene and I'm kind of traveling backwards in my journey discovering music- I started on the more accessible electronic stuff around 2006-2007 in college and never was a part of the scene the article talks about. Now I have broadened my horizons and am finding ways to experience this kind of vibe and I would have love to have been to some of these NY clubs that are now gone and experience some of these sets. I like the part about no cameras and cell phones on the dance floor being enforced- I feel like places should do that now. what dancefloor ??? >
Salvatore Husley 27.06.2012	Sorry in advance. This clears up the DJ thing that rat was talking about (that's sarcasm). Like I said before its not about the light show. It's about the emotion you feel from the music. Not the awe from the visuals. But that's just me.
Dorie Scelzo 28.06.2012	Awesome article.
Warner Rotberg 27.06.2012	The problem with today, is that DJs only get to play an hours set and the promoter fills the rest of the bill up with other big/small DJs / producers. DJs dont get time to build a set these days.
Romelia Stankard 27.06.2012	Yeah pretty much. Originally Posted by squidot when i saw steve lawer on the turntables my mind was blown. i've never heard a more technically perfect set full of brilliant, darkly sexy tribal tracks strung together in my life. not at one point did even a kick waver in the slightest bit when he was mixing, with some tracks overlapping by large amounts. there were many times that evening i could not even tell if a transition occurred and i was in heaven. Same- Lawler was great when I saw him. Say what you want about ultra music festival but away from the main stage there was tons of quality acts and even seeing lawler, hawtin, carl cox, etc. there was pretty mindblowing.
Celestine Porebski 27.06.2012	Lots of truth in the article! But more often than not – and this is a critical point – WE DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE FCK WE WERE LISTENING TO. We did not know where one track ended and another began. We did not care to know. We were losing our minds out there. We were in the depths of minimal synthetic despair one hour, brought up by the palpable joy of gospel house the next, then mind-blown by a postcard from the world outside. DT once dropped Truth Hurts’ “Addictive” (it’s hip-hop) and Portishead’s “Numb.” He knew what was going on in music. He made it his business to know, so he could run it through his filter and feed it back to us. That was our deal, our bargain with each other.* This is the point many people don't seem to get. The main function of a DJ is as a kind of curator or filter (like it's also stated - with exactly the same words - later in the article), he's the guy you trust for his instincts and taste in music. That's why requests are bullshit, that's why mainstream music is shitty per se (I mean, if you want to hear the same crappy charts music that's playing on the radio all day, what do you need a DJ for?) and that's why all those stupid sync-button-debates are moot (because it isn't primarily about beatmatching, never has been).
Freida Leash 27.06.2012	The thing is that massives used to be like this, for the most part. Go to a huge party see a ton of great DJs throw down, go to another and get blown away again in a new way.
Cole Maroto 26.06.2012	thanks xonetacular that was a great read! tenaglia and steve lawler were actually the guys that inspired me to become a dj around 2001 or so. well, them and the musical renaissance i went through when i discovered that there was way more to music than what was on the radio. it blew me away to see that there were so many passionate people creating beautiful art that most people will never hear. i wanted to make it my mission to spread the word of these heroes that changed my life during that period of time. tenaglia is one of the greatest djs to me and i was lucky to see him here once at a club in vegas. the thing i love about him is the broad range of house and techno he plays, but at the same time he isn't perfect. in every set that i've heard from him, both live and on cds there are always mistakes. it's endearing to me. it makes me feel human and connect with him in a way since i too make plenty of mistakes when i dj or create. when you listen to him play you just understand that he is a part of something bigger than himself and he loves all of those gems that he's slinging at you. when i saw steve lawer on the turntables my mind was blown. i've never heard a more technically perfect set full of brilliant, darkly sexy tribal tracks strung together in my life. not at one point did even a kick waver in the slightest bit when he was mixing, with some tracks overlapping by large amounts. there were many times that evening i could not even tell if a transition occurred and i was in heaven.
Ara Tima 26.06.2012	Originally Posted by dripstep We have lots of clubs around me, that play the same top 40 songs every week, but there is also a evening that some friends of mine put on in a little hole in the wall bar that is all drum and bass. Not your little brothers radio play, and that's why we all go. Maybe only 20-30 people, but the scene is tight because of its size. Yeah, I'm from a much bigger city (Melbourne), shit loads of crappy clubs, but quite a few decent ones. Basically no matter what you listen to you can be sure there's a scene for it. A respectable scene. But this is city thats responsible for Anthony Pappa, Phil K, Infusion, Nubreed, Luke Chable, Ivan Gough etc etc. It was a hub for progressive house in the 2000s and lots of clubs have always kept that ethos.
Yong Aptekar 26.06.2012	We have lots of clubs around me, that play the same top 40 songs every week, but there is also a evening that some friends of mine put on in a little hole in the wall bar that is all drum and bass. Not your little brothers radio play, and that's why we all go. Maybe only 20-30 people, but the scene is tight because of its size.
Ira Alsadi 26.06.2012	A great article. Took me back a bit to my day sin the club. The community aspect of it. The aspect of having to participate in order to get the whole experience. I too remember the days when everyone wanted to control a crowd like your favorite dj could, but didn't want to try as to not ruin the music for themselves. I also love it when old heads (such as myself) reference the way guys used to mix (house/trance/ethereal) music. We used to title all of our mixes "seamlessseaofgroove". When I was learning, the point was to mix for hours with a minimal number of audible transitions. So much fun to try, and to hear when someone could actually do it. The DC local boys did it for me. Scott Henry, Charles Feelgood, Dara, dj sun, Dieselboy, Lovegrove, Bagadonuts, and even some left coast guys like Doc Martin and the Hardkiss brothers.
Ara Tima 26.06.2012	Originally Posted by dripstep The trick is to find those local DJ evening s where everyone there is looking for something new, something to make us move, something to make us remember why we like this kind of music. This. I don't know about the rest of the world but in Australia there is plenty of clubs and evening s like this around, places where you can hear extended sets, fresh music, basically everything the writer laments about disappearing from the scene. Heck there are even loads of touring international DJs that still deliver quality time and time again, guys that haven't fallen into the trap of playing the same shit every evening . You go to a big festival or commercial club. Expect to hear music to match the setting.
Bettyann Fogwell 26.06.2012	Agreed. Especially the part about cameras and such.
Yong Aptekar 26.06.2012	Nice find, really good article. I like how he talked about dilution in the EDM scene. More people meant more music being made. That will inevitably lead to some good, but a lot of bad as well. This goes for almost anything in life, and needs to be taken for what it is, and with a grain of salt. Look at skateboarding. When it started to get big again in the 90s, small skateshops were replaced by corporations (west 49) and skateboarding became about the money. Pandering to the masses, who may not be skaters, but sure wanted to be. Same goes for music. Crate digging and finding a gem nobody has heard was replaced by banger after banger every weekend. The trick is to find those local DJ evening s where everyone there is looking for something new, something to make us move, something to make us remember why we like this kind of music.
Ara Tima 26.06.2012	Originally Posted by Invoke haven't read it yet, but I will say that I have stopped caring about wtf some famous producer, big magazine, or random blog writer has to say about DJing or the EDM "Scene". Well it probably would've been a good idea not to read a thread about exactly that then. That is a fantastic article, reminds me of what I loved so much about this in the beginning. My Tenaglia was always Digweed. From the first time I saw him 11 years ago as an 18 year old.... This shit still exists though you just need to look harder, a newer and more commercial element has just been added to dance music which clogs up a lot of the scene ie. festivals, still plenty of clubs and plenty of DJs around that can give that same feeling though. Heck 4 and a bit hours of Chris Liebing a few weeks back reminded me of exactly that.
Chrissy Kynard 26.06.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular I did not grow up in the club scene and I'm kind of traveling backwards in my journey discovering music- I started on the more accessible electronic stuff around 2006-2007 in college and never was a part of the scene the article talks about. Now I have broadened my horizons and am finding ways to experience this kind of vibe and I would have love to have been to some of these NY clubs that are now gone and experience some of these sets. I like the part about no cameras and cell phones on the dance floor being enforced- I feel like places should do that now. Neither did I. I live in Utah so there's a very small EDM community to begin with; to make it worse, trance music is a much less popular genre in the US so its pretty surprising that I ever got into the scene. Used to pull from the big name artists for a while (Tiesto, ATB, etc.) until I listened to some more progressive trance from artists like DNS Project and KhoMha. In addition, I got exposed to some trance anthems and I just lost it - now I'm on a continuous search for great tracks pre-2002, and I hope someday I can get to hear some of these great tunes being played by other DJs than myself.
Romelia Stankard 26.06.2012	Invoke- that's a shame since this is the first article that really gets it Originally Posted by Toastmaster Amazing. Makes me want to travel back to the days of old trance; makes me want to get out there and show the people at evening clubs what they missed/don't know. I believe the greatest and most educational part of this article is playing what people don't know. Its a bloody huge risk but its the risk people like see taken and, should you perform it right, it'll pay off dividends for you and the crowd. Thanks for the fantastic find, Xonetacular! I did not grow up in the club scene and I'm kind of traveling backwards in my journey discovering music- I started on the more accessible electronic stuff around 2006-2007 in college and never was a part of the scene the article talks about. Now I have broadened my horizons and am finding ways to experience this kind of vibe and I would have love to have been to some of these NY clubs that are now gone and experience some of these sets. I like the part about no cameras and cell phones on the dance floor being enforced- I feel like places should do that now.
Kristin Tesfamichael 26.06.2012	haven't read it yet, but I will say that I have stopped caring about wtf some famous producer, big magazine, or random blog writer has to say about DJing or the EDM "Scene".
Chrissy Kynard 26.06.2012	Amazing. Makes me want to travel back to the days of old trance; makes me want to get out there and show the people at evening clubs what they missed/don't know. I believe the greatest and most educational part of this article is playing what people don't know. Its a bloody huge risk but its the risk people like see taken and, should you perform it right, it'll pay off dividends for you and the crowd. Thanks for the fantastic find, Xonetacular!
Margie Pavell 26.06.2012	x2

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AWESOME article on the current state of dance music/DJing in light of recent events