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delay and freeze problems
Posted on: 23.01.2011 by Nicolle Diller
ok so i turn on delay and freeze it (1/4 beat echo sounding) then stopp the deck and start a much slower song, ean does it so well and it just blends, but mine gets all funny and warped.. anyone know if this is normal nd how i can get the effect im looking for?
Willard Battley
15.06.2012		Hello everybody
I found this thread so I'm posting my question about the delay fx in this one I hope it's fine
I try to understand how this delay fx works but I'm not sure at all.
To what I understood so far, it's a buffer based fx : so is it the rate button which control the size of the buffer ? If so what mean the different values for example 4/4 : should I interprete it as 4 beats in a raw or 1 beat (4 divided by 4) ?
Moreover how long last the fx : is it always the same length or is it also set by the rate button ?
Finally I have the feeling that the delay fx in the chain mode is not the same in the advanced mode. Is is due to certain presets values for the feedback and the filter buttons in the chain mode ?
You might find my questions very boring or basic but would to really understand how these different fx work in order to know where it it the best to use them.
Thank you a lot for your help
J
Willard Battley
15.06.2012		Hello everybody
I found this thread so I'm posting my question about the delay fx in this one I hope it's fine
I try to understand how this delay fx works but I'm not sure at all.
To what I understood so far, it's a buffer based fx : so is it the rate button which control the size of the buffer ? If so what mean the different values for example 4/4 : should I interprete it as 4 beats in a raw or 1 beat (4 divided by 4) ?
Moreover how long last the fx : is it always the same length or is it also set by the rate button ?
Finally I have the feeling that the delay fx in the chain mode is not the same in the advanced mode. Is is due to certain presets values for the feedback and the filter buttons in the chain mode ?
You might find my questions very boring or basic but would to really understand how these different fx work in order to know where it it the best to use them.
Thank you a lot for your help
J
Willard Battley
15.06.2012		Hello everybody
I found this thread so I'm posting my question about the delay fx in this one I hope it's fine
I try to understand how this delay fx works but I'm not sure at all.
To what I understood so far, it's a buffer based fx : so is it the rate button which control the size of the buffer ? If so what mean the different values for example 4/4 : should I interprete it as 4 beats in a raw or 1 beat (4 divided by 4) ?
Moreover how long last the fx : is it always the same length or is it also set by the rate button ?
Finally I have the feeling that the delay fx in the chain mode is not the same in the advanced mode. Is is due to certain presets values for the feedback and the filter buttons in the chain mode ?
You might find my questions very boring or basic but would to really understand how these different fx work in order to know where it it the best to use them.
Thank you a lot for your help
J
Willard Battley
15.06.2012		Hello everybody
I found this thread so I'm posting my question about the delay fx in this one I hope it's fine
I try to understand how this delay fx works but I'm not sure at all.
To what I understood so far, it's a buffer based fx : so is it the rate button which control the size of the buffer ? If so what mean the different values for example 4/4 : should I interprete it as 4 beats in a raw or 1 beat (4 divided by 4) ?
Moreover how long last the fx : is it always the same length or is it also set by the rate button ?
Finally I have the feeling that the delay fx in the chain mode is not the same in the advanced mode. Is is due to certain presets values for the feedback and the filter buttons in the chain mode ?
You might find my questions very boring or basic but would to really understand how these different fx work in order to know where it it the best to use them.
Thank you a lot for your help
J
Willard Battley
15.06.2012		Hello everybody
I found this thread so I'm posting my question about the delay fx in this one I hope it's fine
I try to understand how this delay fx works but I'm not sure at all.
To what I understood so far, it's a buffer based fx : so is it the rate button which control the size of the buffer ? If so what mean the different values for example 4/4 : should I interprete it as 4 beats in a raw or 1 beat (4 divided by 4) ?
Moreover how long last the fx : is it always the same length or is it also set by the rate button ?
Finally I have the feeling that the delay fx in the chain mode is not the same in the advanced mode. Is is due to certain presets values for the feedback and the filter buttons in the chain mode ?
You might find my questions very boring or basic but would to really understand how these different fx work in order to know where it it the best to use them.
Thank you a lot for your help
J
Willard Battley
15.06.2012		Hello everybody
I found this thread so I'm posting my question about the delay fx in this one I hope it's fine
I try to understand how this delay fx works but I'm not sure at all.
To what I understood so far, it's a buffer based fx : so is it the rate button which control the size of the buffer ? If so what mean the different values for example 4/4 : should I interprete it as 4 beats in a raw or 1 beat (4 divided by 4) ?
Moreover how long last the fx : is it always the same length or is it also set by the rate button ?
Finally I have the feeling that the delay fx in the chain mode is not the same in the advanced mode. Is is due to certain presets values for the feedback and the filter buttons in the chain mode ?
You might find my questions very boring or basic but would to really understand how these different fx work in order to know where it it the best to use them.
Thank you a lot for your help
J
Willard Battley
15.06.2012		Hello everybody
I found this thread so I'm posting my question about the delay fx in this one I hope it's fine
I try to understand how this delay fx works but I'm not sure at all.
To what I understood so far, it's a buffer based fx : so is it the rate button which control the size of the buffer ? If so what mean the different values for example 4/4 : should I interprete it as 4 beats in a raw or 1 beat (4 divided by 4) ?
Moreover how long last the fx : is it always the same length or is it also set by the rate button ?
Finally I have the feeling that the delay fx in the chain mode is not the same in the advanced mode. Is is due to certain presets values for the feedback and the filter buttons in the chain mode ?
You might find my questions very boring or basic but would to really understand how these different fx work in order to know where it it the best to use them.
Thank you a lot for your help
J
Willard Battley
15.06.2012		Hello everybody
I found this thread so I'm posting my question about the delay fx in this one I hope it's fine
I try to understand how this delay fx works but I'm not sure at all.
To what I understood so far, it's a buffer based fx : so is it the rate button which control the size of the buffer ? If so what mean the different values for example 4/4 : should I interprete it as 4 beats in a raw or 1 beat (4 divided by 4) ?
Moreover how long last the fx : is it always the same length or is it also set by the rate button ?
Finally I have the feeling that the delay fx in the chain mode is not the same in the advanced mode. Is is due to certain presets values for the feedback and the filter buttons in the chain mode ?
You might find my questions very boring or basic but would to really understand how these different fx work in order to know where it it the best to use them.
Thank you a lot for your help
J
Willard Battley
15.06.2012		Hello everybody
I found this thread so I'm posting my question about the delay fx in this one I hope it's fine
I try to understand how this delay fx works but I'm not sure at all.
To what I understood so far, it's a buffer based fx : so is it the rate button which control the size of the buffer ? If so what mean the different values for example 4/4 : should I interprete it as 4 beats in a raw or 1 beat (4 divided by 4) ?
Moreover how long last the fx : is it always the same length or is it also set by the rate button ?
Finally I have the feeling that the delay fx in the chain mode is not the same in the advanced mode. Is is due to certain presets values for the feedback and the filter buttons in the chain mode ?
You might find my questions very boring or basic but would to really understand how these different fx work in order to know where it it the best to use them.
Thank you a lot for your help
J
Willard Battley
15.06.2012		Hello everybody
I found this thread so I'm posting my question about the delay fx in this one I hope it's fine
I try to understand how this delay fx works but I'm not sure at all.
To what I understood so far, it's a buffer based fx : so is it the rate button which control the size of the buffer ? If so what mean the different values for example 4/4 : should I interprete it as 4 beats in a raw or 1 beat (4 divided by 4) ?
Moreover how long last the fx : is it always the same length or is it also set by the rate button ?
Finally I have the feeling that the delay fx in the chain mode is not the same in the advanced mode. Is is due to certain presets values for the feedback and the filter buttons in the chain mode ?
You might find my questions very boring or basic but would to really understand how these different fx work in order to know where it it the best to use them.
Thank you a lot for your help
J
Marnie Molzon
30.01.2011
Originally Posted by sweens
...it works fine on TPro...
Not for me, sadly.

Originally Posted by djnesquigs
dont go from 190-70
Nah, I've tested it from 120-100 and again with 123-110 or so and it just never sounds right. If I keep the BPMs closer than that then there doesn't seem to be a point as I can just use some drawn-out tempo adjustments and beatmatch from one song to the next normally.
Tatum Ansaldo
26.01.2011
Originally Posted by padi_04
I agree with these sweet and tender words
new sig
Nedra Fresneda
25.01.2011
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
dude, it's half of the point of that transition. If your track is echoing out at a different rate to the new song it'll sound crap, and if you start the echo with the rate slaved to the other track it'll be a sudden tempo change... and will sound crap.
I agree with these sweet and tender words
Nicolle Diller
25.01.2011
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
WHY does everyone want to stop the deck switching!!!!!!!
agreed, the way ean does it makes it sound soooo pro
Tatum Ansaldo
26.01.2011
Originally Posted by DennisHuiberts
Because people keep having problems with it...
dude, it's half of the point of that transition. If your track is echoing out at a different rate to the new song it'll sound crap, and if you start the echo with the rate slaved to the other track it'll be a sudden tempo change... and will sound crap.
Tatum Ansaldo
24.01.2011
Originally Posted by DennisHuiberts
Just assign the FX unit to deck A and only deck A. You can prevent the whole master deck switching thing this way...
WHY does everyone want to stop the deck switching!!!!!!!
Kecia Wnukowski
03.07.2012		it's not the same, you have to increase the feedback parameter in single mode to get a more longer trail.
As for the previous posts, the way the delay(s) work have been changed from 2.1.2 and 2.1.3 as far as I remember and if Im' not mistaken, the delay's trail following much more quicker the new bpm from the new track. That has been previously discussed before I guess.
Willard Battley
03.07.2012		Sorry guys I'm again asking the same question but you don't have the feeling that the delay effect in single mode is not the same than in chain mode. For example, in chain mode, when you set the value to 1/32 and press pause, the song echoes out for a very long time whereas it is not the case at all in single mode. I'm trying to reproduce the chain delay effect by playing with the different parameters in single mode but I don't manage.
You might ask me why I'm trying to do this and that there is no goal of doing that but it's just to understand better ow this effect works ;-)
Thank you for your replies
Birgit Gondal
15.06.2012		is there a delay in traktor that operates in Hz as opposed to being beatsynced? that could be an alternative...
Willard Battley
15.06.2012		Hello everybody
I found this thread so I'm posting my question about the delay fx in this one I hope it's fine
I try to understand how this delay fx works but I'm not sure at all.
To what I understood so far, it's a buffer based fx : so is it the rate button which control the size of the buffer ? If so what mean the different values for example 4/4 : should I interprete it as 4 beats in a raw or 1 beat (4 divided by 4) ?
Moreover how long last the fx : is it always the same length or is it also set by the rate button ?
Finally I have the feeling that the delay fx in the chain mode is not the same in the advanced mode. Is is due to certain presets values for the feedback and the filter buttons in the chain mode ?
You might find my questions very boring or basic but would to really understand how these different fx work in order to know where it it the best to use them.
Thank you a lot for your help
J
Nicolle Diller
30.01.2011		yeah the problem is that when i want to change from a house track to something slower like hip hop (130-100bpm), freeze doesnt work like i wish it does, maybe ill record something and show you
Marnie Molzon
30.01.2011
Originally Posted by sweens
...it works fine on TPro...
Not for me, sadly.

Originally Posted by djnesquigs
dont go from 190-70
Nah, I've tested it from 120-100 and again with 123-110 or so and it just never sounds right. If I keep the BPMs closer than that then there doesn't seem to be a point as I can just use some drawn-out tempo adjustments and beatmatch from one song to the next normally.
Coreen Pankow
30.01.2011		I dont have a problem. but granted each time i use the freeze effect im going up in bpm or only dropping a tiny bit.

it should work fine, listen to fullenglishpint. dont go from 190-70 by hitting a button and willing it to sound good.
Verdie Zabransky
30.01.2011		I've got the same issue... I'll do a recording of what it sounds like..

Strange thing is it works fine on TPro but not on my S4 Software and everything appears to be set the same :-/

As soon as the master switches from the outgoing to the incoming deck you get a really weird effect....
Marnie Molzon
29.01.2011		Was a solution to this issue ever found?

Ean's tutorial makes is sound smooth as warm butter, but in practice it ends up sounding like an epileptic kid playing with the pitch fader.
Tatum Ansaldo
26.01.2011
Originally Posted by padi_04
I agree with these sweet and tender words
new sig
Nedra Fresneda
25.01.2011
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
dude, it's half of the point of that transition. If your track is echoing out at a different rate to the new song it'll sound crap, and if you start the echo with the rate slaved to the other track it'll be a sudden tempo change... and will sound crap.
I agree with these sweet and tender words
Nicolle Diller
25.01.2011
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
WHY does everyone want to stop the deck switching!!!!!!!
agreed, the way ean does it makes it sound soooo pro
Tatum Ansaldo
26.01.2011
Originally Posted by DennisHuiberts
Because people keep having problems with it...
dude, it's half of the point of that transition. If your track is echoing out at a different rate to the new song it'll sound crap, and if you start the echo with the rate slaved to the other track it'll be a sudden tempo change... and will sound crap.
Neal Rayome
25.01.2011		Because people keep having problems with it...
Tatum Ansaldo
24.01.2011
Originally Posted by DennisHuiberts
Just assign the FX unit to deck A and only deck A. You can prevent the whole master deck switching thing this way...
WHY does everyone want to stop the deck switching!!!!!!!
Neal Rayome
24.01.2011		Just assign the FX unit to deck A and only deck A. You can prevent the whole master deck switching thing this way...
Tatum Ansaldo
24.01.2011
Originally Posted by Flash101uk
Is it not because you have the faster, outgoing song set as master? You delay freeze and switch master deck and the delay will immediately take on the new BPM, making it sound wierd?

Have you tried setting the slower deck as master before using the delay effect to transition?
I'm pretty sure that would sound horrible. That's why the OP said he stopped the outgoing song after freezing it. From what he said he's done everthing right, it's just sounding weird. I have no explanation other than what I've already suggested.
Corrin Penney
24.01.2011		Is it not because you have the faster, outgoing song set as master? You delay freeze and switch master deck and the delay will immediately take on the new BPM, making it sound wierd?

Have you tried setting the slower deck as master before using the delay effect to transition?
Tatum Ansaldo
24.01.2011
Originally Posted by fellis
When you play the slower one, it's bpm becomes the Master and since the delay follows the master bpm, it's rate will also change. You have to keep the faster deck playing hike you do the transition to
maintain it as the master bpm OR you can manually set the deck with the faster track to always be the Master bpm
You're missing the point, the whole idea is to have the tempo slow down or speed up to match the new track. Just don't go for TOO big a switch or it'll sound stupid.
Emilee Woytovich
24.01.2011		When you play the slower one, it's bpm becomes the Master and since the delay follows the master bpm, it's rate will also change. You have to keep the faster deck playing hike you do the transition to
maintain it as the master bpm OR you can manually set the deck with the faster track to always be the Master bpm
Nicolle Diller
23.01.2011		faster song, so i start the slower one and it immediatly jumps....
Nedra Fresneda
23.01.2011		my guess is it's assigned to the playing deck and then switches when second deck starts
Neal Rayome
23.01.2011
Originally Posted by DoubleD
ok so i turn on delay and freeze it (1/4 beat echo sounding) then stopp the deck and start a much slower song, ean does it so well and it just blends, but mine gets all funny and warped.. anyone know if this is normal nd how i can get the effect im looking for?
Is the FX assigned to the faster playing deck or to the slower one?
Tatum Ansaldo
23.01.2011		Don't use a much slower song? It's good for bpm changes but it's still gna sound weird if you half the bpm or something.

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