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When DJs use In-Ears!
Posted on: 03.07.2012 by Guadalupe Guentert
Hey DJTT'ers...

I wanted to share this new product with you guys. Ideal for DJs using In-Ears, to lower the risk of sudden acoustic shocks. (eg. when changing CUE between tracks -- kabooooom -- 2 days of ringing ears! )


www.PreservEar.com

Guadalupe Guentert
05.07.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Not personally, but I have multiple friends who swear by them, and have never complained about any such issues, or done anything but praise how they universally preserve hearing. Your product seems to suggest that IEMs can damage hearing in normal usage, a problem your product seeks to correct. This would almost completely invalidate the underlying value of IEMs, and seems to be a rather creative FUD position.
I don't see how an added security can invalidate the value of IEMs. Because your friends have never told you about sudden acoustic shocks or high level exposures that they have experienced, doesn't mean that they don't happen. I believe anybody with normal headphones (cans) have experienced sudden loud exposures - so the phenomenon is not an IEM problem, but IEMs surely intensifies the problem due to the immersion in the ear canal. I believe that whoever claims that they have NEVER experienced anything like that, is either OCD about their headphone usage or have never been DJing outside their safe "no-stress" bedrooms.

To suggest the use of fear tastics is far stretched. I would argue the risk of Tinnitus is a real problem for DJs, all this product does is lower that risk.
Nancey Inderlied
05.07.2012
Originally Posted by djpetermunch
Do you have any experience with IEMs?
Not personally, but I have multiple friends who swear by them, and have never complained about any such issues, or done anything but praise how they universally preserve hearing. Your product seems to suggest that IEMs can damage hearing in normal usage, a problem your product seeks to correct. This would almost completely invalidate the underlying value of IEMs, and seems to be a rather creative FUD position.
Guadalupe Guentert
05.07.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I don't really understand why this exists. What the Hell is "cue spiking," and why would I buy an extra piece of hardware that just turns the mixer down for me? If you need to turn up the cue bus significantly, you're missing the point of IEMs... If at any point in time you're surprised by the level of your cue bus, or the level significantly changes over the course of a set, there's a different problem a $160 box can't solve.
Do you have any experience with IEMs?
Guadalupe Guentert
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by thisisdjkaz
Interesting concept. In your research into creating this device have you come across many performers that have damaged their ears due to unforseen spikes in their levels or them being to loud? I recently started using custom IEMs and I'm very aware that plugging into mixers, etc that I must reset the volume to 0 before plugging the IEMs in, among other things that may cause a damaging level to my ears.
Re. the first thing you ask. Unfortunately yes - Performers, DJs, musicians are just some of the many professions haunted by Tinnitus and hearing damage. AV professionals, security guards using walkie talkies... in general anybody who uses some kind of In-Ears system with a high powered device.

Welcome to the IEM world - I am glad that you are super careful with pluggin in the IEMs, but remember that it's when things get hectic that mistakes happen.
Guadalupe Guentert
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
You actually have Tinnitus?
Oh Yes, I've had Tinnitus for more than 16 years now. Ever since I acquired my Tinnitus, I've been wearing musician Earplugs. I wear them walking the streets of New York, taking the subway - and obviously whenever I either play or visit a club.

I started using IEMs around 8-9 years ago, to avoid evolving my tinnitus further. I found that using In-Ears helped protect my ears, which is why I continued using them. Over the course of the last 8-9 years I've had several accidents happening, some caused by me, some by co-DJs. Accidents happen - no matter how careful you are. Some of these accidents gave me added ringing in the ears for a couple of days... whereas some of them added additional frequencies to my Tinnitus (accidents adding frequencies happened at least twice over the course of the last 9 years).

These accidents could have been avoided with the PreservEar limiter, that's a fact. And since beginning to use it - I've avoided a couple of them. Sometimes it protects my hearing, sometimes my IEMs. But, most importantly it takes away the fear of pressing a wrong button when the lights are flashing, everything is dark and you are about to drop that first track. As padi_04 said - "If it makes you sleep better at evening ". I can nod yes to that... it makes me sleep better at evening . I believe anybody who've had trouble falling asleep due to heavy ringing in the ears would agree.
Efrain Scharr
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by djpetermunch
...there is no going back - it has def. helped lower my Tinnitus.
You actually have Tinnitus?
Guadalupe Guentert
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
If you use a headphone attenuator, how can you check your levels? So you may preserve your own hearing while blowing out the hearing of everyone on the dancefloor?

In order for proper gain-staging don't you need to hear everything accurately as the people in front of the speakers do?

???
A headphone attenuator makes it easier to control the volume in In-Ears. If you plug IEMs into a DJM-800 you will typically have to adjust then volume knob from 0 - 3 (where 0 will be "no sound" and 3 will be extremely loud). With an attenuator you can use the volume knob with great precision.

As for the "proper gain-staging" - I am not sure what you mean. With In-Ears you do hear the music/mix/cue like if you had a monitor next to you - obviously not equal to the sound of a speaker monitor. As for using the monitor as a reference - you can still use the DJ monitor as "reference" for what the main PA is outputting. And you can obviously still pop out the IEMs, just as you would take regular cans away from the ears to check the overall sound levels and EQ on the floor.

I've been using IEMs for 8 years now. And there is no going back - it has def. helped lower my Tinnitus.
Nedra Fresneda
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
If you use a headphone attenuator, how can you check your levels? So you may preserve your own hearing while blowing out the hearing of everyone on the dancefloor?
You don't need to push the volume as hard with in ears, using an attenuator in a proper way would give you the same level as regular cans with the cue volume knob in the same position in the mixer. Sure you can always turn that down.

I believe this device isn't really useful to DJs. Things change if you are a sound guy or musician where you could get some feedback in or a nasty pop if someone unplugs a cable while the channel fader is up. If it will make you sleep better at evening buy it. Is it a MUST have purchase? No.
Joesph Kasian
03.07.2012
Originally Posted by audiolive
Don't you just adjust your gain before you hit the cue button? It's free and easy.
/endthread. Good work man haha!
Guadalupe Guentert
03.07.2012		Hey DJTT'ers...

I wanted to share this new product with you guys. Ideal for DJs using In-Ears, to lower the risk of sudden acoustic shocks. (eg. when changing CUE between tracks -- kabooooom -- 2 days of ringing ears! )


www.PreservEar.com

Guadalupe Guentert
05.07.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Not personally, but I have multiple friends who swear by them, and have never complained about any such issues, or done anything but praise how they universally preserve hearing. Your product seems to suggest that IEMs can damage hearing in normal usage, a problem your product seeks to correct. This would almost completely invalidate the underlying value of IEMs, and seems to be a rather creative FUD position.
I don't see how an added security can invalidate the value of IEMs. Because your friends have never told you about sudden acoustic shocks or high level exposures that they have experienced, doesn't mean that they don't happen. I believe anybody with normal headphones (cans) have experienced sudden loud exposures - so the phenomenon is not an IEM problem, but IEMs surely intensifies the problem due to the immersion in the ear canal. I believe that whoever claims that they have NEVER experienced anything like that, is either OCD about their headphone usage or have never been DJing outside their safe "no-stress" bedrooms.

To suggest the use of fear tastics is far stretched. I would argue the risk of Tinnitus is a real problem for DJs, all this product does is lower that risk.
Nancey Inderlied
05.07.2012
Originally Posted by djpetermunch
Do you have any experience with IEMs?
Not personally, but I have multiple friends who swear by them, and have never complained about any such issues, or done anything but praise how they universally preserve hearing. Your product seems to suggest that IEMs can damage hearing in normal usage, a problem your product seeks to correct. This would almost completely invalidate the underlying value of IEMs, and seems to be a rather creative FUD position.
Guadalupe Guentert
05.07.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I don't really understand why this exists. What the Hell is "cue spiking," and why would I buy an extra piece of hardware that just turns the mixer down for me? If you need to turn up the cue bus significantly, you're missing the point of IEMs... If at any point in time you're surprised by the level of your cue bus, or the level significantly changes over the course of a set, there's a different problem a $160 box can't solve.
Do you have any experience with IEMs?
Nancey Inderlied
05.07.2012		I don't really understand why this exists. What the Hell is "cue spiking," and why would I buy an extra piece of hardware that just turns the mixer down for me? If you need to turn up the cue bus significantly, you're missing the point of IEMs... If at any point in time you're surprised by the level of your cue bus, or the level significantly changes over the course of a set, there's a different problem a $160 box can't solve.
Guadalupe Guentert
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by thisisdjkaz
Interesting concept. In your research into creating this device have you come across many performers that have damaged their ears due to unforseen spikes in their levels or them being to loud? I recently started using custom IEMs and I'm very aware that plugging into mixers, etc that I must reset the volume to 0 before plugging the IEMs in, among other things that may cause a damaging level to my ears.
Re. the first thing you ask. Unfortunately yes - Performers, DJs, musicians are just some of the many professions haunted by Tinnitus and hearing damage. AV professionals, security guards using walkie talkies... in general anybody who uses some kind of In-Ears system with a high powered device.

Welcome to the IEM world - I am glad that you are super careful with pluggin in the IEMs, but remember that it's when things get hectic that mistakes happen.
Guadalupe Guentert
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
You actually have Tinnitus?
Oh Yes, I've had Tinnitus for more than 16 years now. Ever since I acquired my Tinnitus, I've been wearing musician Earplugs. I wear them walking the streets of New York, taking the subway - and obviously whenever I either play or visit a club.

I started using IEMs around 8-9 years ago, to avoid evolving my tinnitus further. I found that using In-Ears helped protect my ears, which is why I continued using them. Over the course of the last 8-9 years I've had several accidents happening, some caused by me, some by co-DJs. Accidents happen - no matter how careful you are. Some of these accidents gave me added ringing in the ears for a couple of days... whereas some of them added additional frequencies to my Tinnitus (accidents adding frequencies happened at least twice over the course of the last 9 years).

These accidents could have been avoided with the PreservEar limiter, that's a fact. And since beginning to use it - I've avoided a couple of them. Sometimes it protects my hearing, sometimes my IEMs. But, most importantly it takes away the fear of pressing a wrong button when the lights are flashing, everything is dark and you are about to drop that first track. As padi_04 said - "If it makes you sleep better at evening ". I can nod yes to that... it makes me sleep better at evening . I believe anybody who've had trouble falling asleep due to heavy ringing in the ears would agree.
Efrain Scharr
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by djpetermunch
...there is no going back - it has def. helped lower my Tinnitus.
You actually have Tinnitus?
Efrain Scharr
04.07.2012		I have been using IEMs for the past 8-9 years. I have never once had a problem where I damaged my ears. Before they go in my ears I turn the cue volume almost all the way down.

I don't see how any DJ who is at all experienced would need something like this. Maybe a novice or someone who picks up IEMs for the first time could benefit? Honestly I believe it would only teach them bad habits on proper leveling etc. This really seems like a useless tool for someone who wants to DJ the right way and make sure levels are proper on all channels. I just don't ever remember believeing that I wish the level never went above 3 because then everything would just be so wonderful... seems like a stupid concept for a DJ.

Maybe this would be more practical for a singer? I don't really know thoough, I am sure you can figure out a way to market this to them, it doesn't seem to be a really big hit over here...
Fe Kuchma
04.07.2012		Interesting concept. In your research into creating this device have you come across many performers that have damaged their ears due to unforseen spikes in their levels or them being to loud? I recently started using custom IEMs and I'm very aware that plugging into mixers, etc that I must reset the volume to 0 before plugging the IEMs in, among other things that may cause a damaging level to my ears.
Guadalupe Guentert
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
If you use a headphone attenuator, how can you check your levels? So you may preserve your own hearing while blowing out the hearing of everyone on the dancefloor?

In order for proper gain-staging don't you need to hear everything accurately as the people in front of the speakers do?

???
A headphone attenuator makes it easier to control the volume in In-Ears. If you plug IEMs into a DJM-800 you will typically have to adjust then volume knob from 0 - 3 (where 0 will be "no sound" and 3 will be extremely loud). With an attenuator you can use the volume knob with great precision.

As for the "proper gain-staging" - I am not sure what you mean. With In-Ears you do hear the music/mix/cue like if you had a monitor next to you - obviously not equal to the sound of a speaker monitor. As for using the monitor as a reference - you can still use the DJ monitor as "reference" for what the main PA is outputting. And you can obviously still pop out the IEMs, just as you would take regular cans away from the ears to check the overall sound levels and EQ on the floor.

I've been using IEMs for 8 years now. And there is no going back - it has def. helped lower my Tinnitus.
Nedra Fresneda
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
If you use a headphone attenuator, how can you check your levels? So you may preserve your own hearing while blowing out the hearing of everyone on the dancefloor?
You don't need to push the volume as hard with in ears, using an attenuator in a proper way would give you the same level as regular cans with the cue volume knob in the same position in the mixer. Sure you can always turn that down.

I believe this device isn't really useful to DJs. Things change if you are a sound guy or musician where you could get some feedback in or a nasty pop if someone unplugs a cable while the channel fader is up. If it will make you sleep better at evening buy it. Is it a MUST have purchase? No.
Darlene Strohbeck
04.07.2012		If you use a headphone attenuator, how can you check your levels? So you may preserve your own hearing while blowing out the hearing of everyone on the dancefloor?

In order for proper gain-staging don't you need to hear everything accurately as the people in front of the speakers do?

???
Guadalupe Guentert
03.07.2012		I would suggest anybody using In-Ears to use an attenuator, absolutely. If that's all you need, no need to buy this unit. But if you want to ensure that the volume in you IEMs never pass a certain threshold, an attenuator wont help you.

So why use a limiter? For several reasons. Obviously it protects your hearing, by ensuring that you never have accidents with "cue blowouts". Surely the "auto-gain" on Traktor is a great help, but not everybody uses Traktor. Additionally, not everybody remembers to check the gain before hitting play on every single track.

Secondly, if you use In-Ears that are custom built, eg. Ultimate Ears 18 Pro (I use those) $160 is not a major investment for a unit that protects your In-Ears from blowing out the drivers. I believe a lot of DJs would agree to have plugged in their headphones into a mixer, laptop or other high powered output while accidentally having the volume up higher then expected. Another typical accident occurs when you take over from another DJ (who is using headphones which requires high output volumes) - you plug in you In-Ears and booom, either blow out your drivers or your ears. Shit happens. That's what this problem was invented for.

Lastly, If you are a professional DJ, I believe that it's worth the price. Having Tinnitus (for more the 15 years now) I can assure you that this unit gives me a peace of mind - assuring that I will never hurt my ears using In-Ears. It protects your most valuable asset, which is your hearing!
Luke Loughin
03.07.2012		I use shure se535's when DJing... this product is way overpriced for what it does. One does not even need an attenuator if you watch your levels and aren't a dumbass. However, before shelling out 160$+ on this, why not just get a small attenuator adapter for 15$ bux LOL.
Neal Rayome
03.07.2012		Why is this any different from DJ'ing with headphones. When you're changing cue you'll probably have your headphones on. Just make sure your levels are the same for both tracks before you swap cues.

And yes, I'm using in-ears when DJ'ing...
Leeanna Ayla
03.07.2012		Do any of the people that replied use in ears?
Joesph Kasian
03.07.2012
Originally Posted by audiolive
Don't you just adjust your gain before you hit the cue button? It's free and easy.
/endthread. Good work man haha!
Claude Koveleski
03.07.2012		Don't you just adjust your gain before you hit the cue button? It's free and easy.
Madelene Witek
03.07.2012		so... $160 external cue gain?




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