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| The Explosive Growth of EDM - Article | Danae Dumler
18.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by calgarc
where did you get that photo... my comrades have been compromised... i never gave you that mixtape and we never had this conversation...
then how do you know it was a mixtape? | Stanley Topoleski
18.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by djproben
Uh-huh, I buy that. Commercial entities who can easily afford to pay actual researchers (the kind with credentials and publications and stuff) to do their research (and probably have access to databases of real sales information, etc.) are going to rely on some blogger's "research" for their marketing strategies.
Yes our sources are part of a shadowy underworld known as "music listeners" who might be targeted by international cartels and police agencies. A rare snapshot of one of these clandestine information transactions was captured on instagram: http://instagram.com/p/M1TJSQKnoN/
In other words, we won't tell anyone at the "business conference" where our data comes from either. Which won't matter, because it turns out, actual researchers don't go to "business conferences" either.
This is a great attitude but it seems to contradict the rest of the email. I guess we'll wait and see....
where did you get that photo... my comrades have been compromised... i never gave you that mixtape and we never had this conversation...
your's truly The Source | Neva Lahr
17.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
From a scientific point of view this is literally the worst paper I've ever ready. I've got a master in Chemistry and have been grading people shit reports for a long time to get my masters and this would easily have gotten a D or E. No sources at at all, not even an inkling of where the data comes from. No real explanation of how the data was accumulated and aggregated.
Also saying virtually no one knows sub sub genres is just ridiculous. Tons of people know it. Its just call being lazy with you stats and not characterizing your genres. It give no indication to how the genres were even obtained and defined, another key factor.
No credit to the statistician at all? Where is this persons credentials. Is this some random college kid doing it for a paper for stats class? I mean come on. Whats the point of showing graphs and saying you have a statistician then never showing the data at all.
Also what the hell is the point of this article at all? Its terribly written. If its suppose to be a fact driven article about the growth of EDM its delivers that extremely poorly. What is the point of this article, to show electronic is bigger than in the past with some number picked out of the sky? Great thanks for information 99% of people already know. How about showing the stats and stating some reasoning to why it grew, or why some genres are growing fast, and others are the biggest, how about a null hypothesis to all the stats in general and make an actual paper?
Why go through all the trouble to do this to write a shit article? Apparently this EDMsnob guy has a voice but honestly its really a dumb voice, and its really not a snob at all. This dude is just doing a take on Bikesnob and doing it like completely crap. If it were actually funny, witty, and poking fun at EDM it would be a worthwhile blog.
Get 'em dude! | Danae Dumler
17.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by EDMSnob
Thanks for your email. We deliberately did not publish the myriad sources we used. Firstly, this was to prevent commercial entities from reusing our data to target the market with more efficiency than they already do. Wouldn't want to make things too easy
Uh-huh, I buy that. Commercial entities who can easily afford to pay actual researchers (the kind with credentials and publications and stuff) to do their research (and probably have access to databases of real sales information, etc.) are going to rely on some blogger's "research" for their marketing strategies.
Originally Posted by EDMSnob
Second, we wanted to protect our sources, who risked a great deal in some cases to get us this information.
Yes our sources are part of a shadowy underworld known as "music listeners" who might be targeted by international cartels and police agencies. A rare snapshot of one of these clandestine information transactions was captured on instagram: http://instagram.com/p/M1TJSQKnoN/
Originally Posted by EDMSnob
We are currently formatting and organizing the data in a report that we will be presenting at business conferences, and in that report we will have the specific sources of data presented in such a way that it will not compromise the above two concerns.
In other words, we won't tell anyone at the "business conference" where our data comes from either. Which won't matter, because it turns out, actual researchers don't go to "business conferences" either.
Originally Posted by EDMSnob
When that report is done within the next several days, it will be publicly available for scrutiny and curiosity alike. I am a proponent of opening all arguments and sources to the highest levels of critical analysis to prevent people from, frankly, skewing things to support what they want to say.
This is a great attitude but it seems to contradict the rest of the email. I guess we'll wait and see.... | Nikole Resende
17.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by djproben
Which of the four genres does drum n bass fit into?
"Dear djproben,
the International EDM Committee is very sorry to inform you that Drum'n'Bass couldn't be considered in the survey as neither drunk girls nor bottle service crowds seem to particularly like it.
Maybe if you could come up with a Drum'n'Bass Version of 'Levels', preferebly with a Skrillex remix on the a-side, we could review our evaluation.
Kind regards,
Dat Mouth, Senior Vice President Sell Ou... erm Sales & Marketing"
On a more serious note: that study is plain bullsh*t...
The definition of "EILPs" is almost cute "If you hear about a song from a friend and go find it on Youtube or Soundcloud, that is an EILP. If you tune into a radio station you like and they happen to play the song, that’s an EILP also."
Right, so they basically go through all the radio stations playlists and by some cryptic (maybe even psychic) powers they know when people liked the songs that were being played and when they were just to lazy switch to another station...
The genre selection looks odd at best. Who defined the genres? By the enormous increase in the popularity of house since 2004 I'm quite sure that this includes music that definetely would not be seen as house by most of the people who have been listening to house music pre-2004... (hint: if it's on a mainstream radio station, it probably isn't house...) | Lashawn Maycock
17.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by ksandvik
Nothing in the article describes how they generated data. So for me all those graphs are worthless without disclosing the sources for all the data. Number of iTunes tracks download. fm statistics? Soundcloud entries, entries in Spotlify playlists, radio airplay (hahaha), feeling the wind in your finger?
Is this world-wide, Europe (where EDM has been huge since the mid nineties), USA (where the growth is happening just now)?, Iceland?
What age group, does it mean that 35-45 age group (that has the most buying power) purchase dubstep tracks? Stuff like that...
Totally agree, there are more holes in the article than a kilo of Emmental! Surely the article must be referring to the US, dance music has been a huge part of underground and mainstream music in Europe for approaching 2 decades now. | Chrissy Kynard
17.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by ksandvik
Nothing in the article describes how they generated data. So for me all those graphs are worthless without disclosing the sources for all the data. Number of iTunes tracks download. fm statistics? Soundcloud entries, entries in Spotlify playlists, radio airplay (hahaha), feeling the wind in your finger?
Is this world-wide, Europe (where EDM has been huge since the mid nineties), USA (where the growth is happening just now)?, Iceland?
What age group, does it mean that 35-45 age group (that has the most buying power) purchase dubstep tracks? Stuff like that...
You're right, they seemed to have forgotten such information (or do not have any such info). I have just contacted them asking for the statistical analysis and/or sampling techniques in this study; hopefully they respond soon so we can understand to a greater extent what the hell we are looking at. I apologize; I should have done this prior to posting. | Alfred Takala
17.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
May of '06, the dubstep monster awakens.
Lol thats too good. | Chrissy Kynard
16.07.2012 | Intriguing article on the growth of Electronic Dance Music, using statistics and numerical analysis; enjoy:
http://edmsnob.com/the-explosive-growth-of-edm/ | Danae Dumler
18.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by calgarc
where did you get that photo... my comrades have been compromised... i never gave you that mixtape and we never had this conversation...
then how do you know it was a mixtape? | Stanley Topoleski
18.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by djproben
Uh-huh, I buy that. Commercial entities who can easily afford to pay actual researchers (the kind with credentials and publications and stuff) to do their research (and probably have access to databases of real sales information, etc.) are going to rely on some blogger's "research" for their marketing strategies.
Yes our sources are part of a shadowy underworld known as "music listeners" who might be targeted by international cartels and police agencies. A rare snapshot of one of these clandestine information transactions was captured on instagram: http://instagram.com/p/M1TJSQKnoN/
In other words, we won't tell anyone at the "business conference" where our data comes from either. Which won't matter, because it turns out, actual researchers don't go to "business conferences" either.
This is a great attitude but it seems to contradict the rest of the email. I guess we'll wait and see....
where did you get that photo... my comrades have been compromised... i never gave you that mixtape and we never had this conversation...
your's truly The Source | Neva Lahr
17.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
From a scientific point of view this is literally the worst paper I've ever ready. I've got a master in Chemistry and have been grading people shit reports for a long time to get my masters and this would easily have gotten a D or E. No sources at at all, not even an inkling of where the data comes from. No real explanation of how the data was accumulated and aggregated.
Also saying virtually no one knows sub sub genres is just ridiculous. Tons of people know it. Its just call being lazy with you stats and not characterizing your genres. It give no indication to how the genres were even obtained and defined, another key factor.
No credit to the statistician at all? Where is this persons credentials. Is this some random college kid doing it for a paper for stats class? I mean come on. Whats the point of showing graphs and saying you have a statistician then never showing the data at all.
Also what the hell is the point of this article at all? Its terribly written. If its suppose to be a fact driven article about the growth of EDM its delivers that extremely poorly. What is the point of this article, to show electronic is bigger than in the past with some number picked out of the sky? Great thanks for information 99% of people already know. How about showing the stats and stating some reasoning to why it grew, or why some genres are growing fast, and others are the biggest, how about a null hypothesis to all the stats in general and make an actual paper?
Why go through all the trouble to do this to write a shit article? Apparently this EDMsnob guy has a voice but honestly its really a dumb voice, and its really not a snob at all. This dude is just doing a take on Bikesnob and doing it like completely crap. If it were actually funny, witty, and poking fun at EDM it would be a worthwhile blog.
Get 'em dude! | Danae Dumler
17.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by EDMSnob
Thanks for your email. We deliberately did not publish the myriad sources we used. Firstly, this was to prevent commercial entities from reusing our data to target the market with more efficiency than they already do. Wouldn't want to make things too easy
Uh-huh, I buy that. Commercial entities who can easily afford to pay actual researchers (the kind with credentials and publications and stuff) to do their research (and probably have access to databases of real sales information, etc.) are going to rely on some blogger's "research" for their marketing strategies.
Originally Posted by EDMSnob
Second, we wanted to protect our sources, who risked a great deal in some cases to get us this information.
Yes our sources are part of a shadowy underworld known as "music listeners" who might be targeted by international cartels and police agencies. A rare snapshot of one of these clandestine information transactions was captured on instagram: http://instagram.com/p/M1TJSQKnoN/
Originally Posted by EDMSnob
We are currently formatting and organizing the data in a report that we will be presenting at business conferences, and in that report we will have the specific sources of data presented in such a way that it will not compromise the above two concerns.
In other words, we won't tell anyone at the "business conference" where our data comes from either. Which won't matter, because it turns out, actual researchers don't go to "business conferences" either.
Originally Posted by EDMSnob
When that report is done within the next several days, it will be publicly available for scrutiny and curiosity alike. I am a proponent of opening all arguments and sources to the highest levels of critical analysis to prevent people from, frankly, skewing things to support what they want to say.
This is a great attitude but it seems to contradict the rest of the email. I guess we'll wait and see.... | Chrissy Kynard
17.07.2012 | Just got this email from the poster; this was originally a blog post and a report is ongoing (supposedly). Will post entire paper as soon as I get it:
Andrew,
Thanks for your email. We deliberately did not publish the myriad sources we used. Firstly, this was to prevent commercial entities from reusing our data to target the market with more efficiency than they already do. Wouldn't want to make things too easy Second, we wanted to protect our sources, who risked a great deal in some cases to get us this information. We are currently formatting and organizing the data in a report that we will be presenting at business conferences, and in that report we will have the specific sources of data presented in such a way that it will not compromise the above two concerns. When that report is done within the next several days, it will be publicly available for scrutiny and curiosity alike. I am a proponent of opening all arguments and sources to the highest levels of critical analysis to prevent people from, frankly, skewing things to support what they want to say. So thank you for your email, and I will make sure that your address is on the list of people to receive the aforementioned report as soon as it becomes available. Thanks for reading!
-The Snob | Nilsa Erben
17.07.2012 | Vanity blog by some self centered nutter, who puts some graphs up and goes "look at me I'm a fucking scientist!" No, you're bonkers not a boffin...try less e next time. Even if the graphs are based on bullshit, you have to tell us whose bullshit it is! | Nikole Resende
17.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by djproben
Which of the four genres does drum n bass fit into?
"Dear djproben,
the International EDM Committee is very sorry to inform you that Drum'n'Bass couldn't be considered in the survey as neither drunk girls nor bottle service crowds seem to particularly like it.
Maybe if you could come up with a Drum'n'Bass Version of 'Levels', preferebly with a Skrillex remix on the a-side, we could review our evaluation.
Kind regards,
Dat Mouth, Senior Vice President Sell Ou... erm Sales & Marketing"
On a more serious note: that study is plain bullsh*t...
The definition of "EILPs" is almost cute "If you hear about a song from a friend and go find it on Youtube or Soundcloud, that is an EILP. If you tune into a radio station you like and they happen to play the song, that’s an EILP also."
Right, so they basically go through all the radio stations playlists and by some cryptic (maybe even psychic) powers they know when people liked the songs that were being played and when they were just to lazy switch to another station...
The genre selection looks odd at best. Who defined the genres? By the enormous increase in the popularity of house since 2004 I'm quite sure that this includes music that definetely would not be seen as house by most of the people who have been listening to house music pre-2004... (hint: if it's on a mainstream radio station, it probably isn't house...) | Danae Dumler
17.07.2012 | Which of the four genres does drum n bass fit into? | Alla Bluemke
17.07.2012 | From a scientific point of view this is literally the worst paper I've ever ready. I've got a master in Chemistry and have been grading people shit reports for a long time to get my masters and this would easily have gotten a D or E. No sources at at all, not even an inkling of where the data comes from. No real explanation of how the data was accumulated and aggregated.
Also saying virtually no one knows sub sub genres is just ridiculous. Tons of people know it. Its just call being lazy with you stats and not characterizing your genres. It give no indication to how the genres were even obtained and defined, another key factor.
No credit to the statistician at all? Where is this persons credentials. Is this some random college kid doing it for a paper for stats class? I mean come on. Whats the point of showing graphs and saying you have a statistician then never showing the data at all.
Also what the hell is the point of this article at all? Its terribly written. If its suppose to be a fact driven article about the growth of EDM its delivers that extremely poorly. What is the point of this article, to show electronic is bigger than in the past with some number picked out of the sky? Great thanks for information 99% of people already know. How about showing the stats and stating some reasoning to why it grew, or why some genres are growing fast, and others are the biggest, how about a null hypothesis to all the stats in general and make an actual paper?
Why go through all the trouble to do this to write a shit article? Apparently this EDMsnob guy has a voice but honestly its really a dumb voice, and its really not a snob at all. This dude is just doing a take on Bikesnob and doing it like completely crap. If it were actually funny, witty, and poking fun at EDM it would be a worthwhile blog. | Kasi Marget
17.07.2012 | Interesting article but as mentioned above it lacks information about how did they get the data.
Funny thing : Skrillex's EP Scary monsters and nice sprites came out in October 2010 if I remember well. Have a look at the dubstep curve at that time.
I do not want to start a skrillex/dubstep/whatever/end of EDM debate. I just found that fun the impact a single guy can have. | Lashawn Maycock
17.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by ksandvik
Nothing in the article describes how they generated data. So for me all those graphs are worthless without disclosing the sources for all the data. Number of iTunes tracks download. fm statistics? Soundcloud entries, entries in Spotlify playlists, radio airplay (hahaha), feeling the wind in your finger?
Is this world-wide, Europe (where EDM has been huge since the mid nineties), USA (where the growth is happening just now)?, Iceland?
What age group, does it mean that 35-45 age group (that has the most buying power) purchase dubstep tracks? Stuff like that...
Totally agree, there are more holes in the article than a kilo of Emmental! Surely the article must be referring to the US, dance music has been a huge part of underground and mainstream music in Europe for approaching 2 decades now. | Chrissy Kynard
17.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by ksandvik
Nothing in the article describes how they generated data. So for me all those graphs are worthless without disclosing the sources for all the data. Number of iTunes tracks download. fm statistics? Soundcloud entries, entries in Spotlify playlists, radio airplay (hahaha), feeling the wind in your finger?
Is this world-wide, Europe (where EDM has been huge since the mid nineties), USA (where the growth is happening just now)?, Iceland?
What age group, does it mean that 35-45 age group (that has the most buying power) purchase dubstep tracks? Stuff like that...
You're right, they seemed to have forgotten such information (or do not have any such info). I have just contacted them asking for the statistical analysis and/or sampling techniques in this study; hopefully they respond soon so we can understand to a greater extent what the hell we are looking at. I apologize; I should have done this prior to posting. | Celine Surico
17.07.2012 | Nothing in the article describes how they generated data. So for me all those graphs are worthless without disclosing the sources for all the data. Number of iTunes tracks download. fm statistics? Soundcloud entries, entries in Spotlify playlists, radio airplay (hahaha), feeling the wind in your finger?
Is this world-wide, Europe (where EDM has been huge since the mid nineties), USA (where the growth is happening just now)?, Iceland?
What age group, does it mean that 35-45 age group (that has the most buying power) purchase dubstep tracks? Stuff like that... | Alfred Takala
17.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
May of '06, the dubstep monster awakens.
Lol thats too good. | Alfred Takala
17.07.2012 | Im afraid to open the article... *cringe* | Chrissy Kynard
16.07.2012 | I find it really intriguing how both techno and house have still kept on kicking, even after 30 years since inception. Guess it'll never die down, since its so basic to the electronic scene. Amazing how trance has still held the world as well, considering how everybody has been saying its a dying genre since 2010. | Ulysses Vittetoe
16.07.2012 | May of '06, the dubstep monster awakens. |
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