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I pad djing Posted on: 13.07.2012 by Lavona Pers Hey looking for some help, i was believeing about buying an ipad or equivalant and using it for djing, what are your views on this? at the moment i have an scs4dj and not liking it at all!! So any info would be great thx Rastey.
Lavona Pers 20.07.2012	Originally Posted by deevey I believe the issue virtually everyone has with iPad's for DJ'ing or live performance is the lack of physical knobs and faders.... something you can touch and feel and know it will respond without believeing about it. No-one likes looking at a DJ who's more concentrated on hitting the right area of a flat glass object in exactly the right spot than one who can do a half jesus pose as he's twisting a filter knob while looking you right in the eye with a cocky grin. For those reasons I reckon few people are willing to adopt to an iPad only setup. The hardware currently does not exist to make it a realistic proposition unless you have 2 pads running completely unlinked separate applications and going though a separate mixer as well so you can knob jockey to your hearts content. No Doubt there will be a new wave of iPad controllers sooner than later I hope which can utilize the hardware of an iPad coupled with a decent controller and software. Djay is a freaking awesome lil piece of software which gives almost (if not more) as many options as using a CDJ... mix vibes have their app as well which is equally exciting, but like i said .. first wave. Numark have made inroads to utilizing iPads properly it with their Idj Live... and their new pro model looks like it could have been an absolute game changer if they added faders instead of rotaries and a more "standard" EQ layout(instead they matched the non-standard layout of the software I felt like screaming "keep it normal and everyone will want one". instead they fucked with the engomics that DJ's are used to, and for that reason I believe it will fail miserably unless they make serious design changes before release, however they are on the right track IMHO and single versions of this that could be linked or build on the motorized platter of the V7 and they would be unreal and almost suitable for installation if they gave a CD option and USB. IDJ live IDJ Pro idj pro looks ok, may take a look at it... thx
Rolanda Clodfelder 20.07.2012	Originally Posted by dj gullum I believe the reason for rotaries instead of fader is because that way they can be 2 way without being motorised. If you change the volume on the iPad it's sent to the controller so there will be no jump in volume when moving the volume on controller. In which case its an even more stupid idea as Djay is only a 2 deck app currently, so all you'd need to do is reset your faders before you play (like every other controller), the Mic and Line-in have separate volume controls on the front (it would almost make sense if they were controlled by the same rotaries) Who knows maybe theres a 4 deck variant coming which would kind of make sense of the knobs/rings but IMHO 4 decks with 2 volume/jogs and soft-takeover layers just doing it because you can say to everyone "its a 4 deck controller"...which it really isn't, its still a two deck controller with a shift layer of midi to enable doubling on controls (like those 3 megapixel cameras that pixel upscaled images and called themselves 6mp) However going by the pics, there is no layer latching selector in place either so the big knobs are just there so the LED rings light up? Rant over, cool idea and a first for iPad DJ'ing just badly executed IMHO.
Ashanti Andreacchio 19.07.2012	Originally Posted by deevey I felt like screaming "keep it normal and everyone will want one". instead they fucked with the engomics that DJ's are used to, and for that reason I believe it will fail miserably unless they make serious design changes before release, however they are on the right track IMHO and single versions of this that could be linked or build on the motorized platter of the V7 and they would be unreal and almost suitable for installation if they gave a CD option and USB. I believe the reason for rotaries instead of fader is because that way they can be 2 way without being motorised. If you change the volume on the iPad it's sent to the controller so there will be no jump in volume when moving the volume on controller. But I personaly have totaly lost all intrest in intergrating my iPad to my set up. I've used it in my setup but you need to consentrat so much in hitting the right spot and tweeking a knob just right is close to inpossible. I tryed the lemur mapping for remix decks and the lack of feeling and feedback made you wonder if you pressed a button or not. iDJ Pro might be as i believe the version of Djay has big XY pad and they are perfect for touch screens.
Rolanda Clodfelder 19.07.2012	Originally Posted by Rastey So by the looks of this thread ipads no good for djing.. CDJs not interested at all. Does anyone on here actually use an ipad for djing? I believe the issue virtually everyone has with iPad's for DJ'ing or live performance is the lack of physical knobs and faders.... something you can touch and feel and know it will respond without believeing about it. No-one likes looking at a DJ who's more concentrated on hitting the right area of a flat glass object in exactly the right spot than one who can do a half jesus pose as he's twisting a filter knob while looking you right in the eye with a cocky grin. For those reasons I reckon few people are willing to adopt to an iPad only setup. The hardware currently does not exist to make it a realistic proposition unless you have 2 pads running completely unlinked separate applications and going though a separate mixer as well so you can knob jockey to your hearts content. No Doubt there will be a new wave of iPad controllers sooner than later I hope which can utilize the hardware of an iPad coupled with a decent controller and software. Djay is a freaking awesome lil piece of software which gives almost (if not more) as many options as using a CDJ... mix vibes have their app as well which is equally exciting, but like i said .. first wave. Numark have made inroads to utilizing iPads properly it with their Idj Live... and their new pro model looks like it could have been an absolute game changer if they added faders instead of rotaries and a more "standard" EQ layout(instead they matched the non-standard layout of the software I felt like screaming "keep it normal and everyone will want one". instead they fucked with the engomics that DJ's are used to, and for that reason I believe it will fail miserably unless they make serious design changes before release, however they are on the right track IMHO and single versions of this that could be linked or build on the motorized platter of the V7 and they would be unreal and almost suitable for installation if they gave a CD option and USB. IDJ live IDJ Pro
Roseanna Signorini 15.07.2012	Originally Posted by Rastey Ok, so the views so far are not great, was watching some youtube vids earlier, ipad seems to be ok! don't really want to use a laptop to many things to go wrong.. one interface with all in is what i'm after. Anymore dj all in ones about kinda tried and tested. I'm really not understanding your believeing. You don't want to use a laptop for Djing because too many things can go wrong? An Ipad is just a touchscreen laptop with limitations to what an actual laptop can do. The few DJs that use Ipads don't use them for everything, usually as a touch deck controller but not for the mixer and everything else. An Ipad is a good backup if your main system were to go down in the middle of a gig but as a real DJ system, its just gimmicky to me not to mention very very limited. You are definitely better off with a laptop running real DJ software and a controller.
Audrey Pinda 14.07.2012	Originally Posted by Ianuario "Peace out boy-scout!" Bahaha, what a rad dude I'd like to see his mixer though, I feel like that app is practical, but lacks fx functionalities or just any other feature that would make it more viable. But to each his own man. When I've seen him spin, he's used the club's mixer. So it's fairly versatile. And I imagine he has a beast mixer of his own at home. Drop Goblin has been in the game for a LONG time. He had another name before Drop Goblin... and made some pretty neat stuff :P (I'll let you dig to find it though, that's half the fun!)
Lavona Pers 20.07.2012	New update on scs4dj looks to be good gunna stick with it for a bit i reckon!
Lavona Pers 20.07.2012	Originally Posted by deevey I believe the issue virtually everyone has with iPad's for DJ'ing or live performance is the lack of physical knobs and faders.... something you can touch and feel and know it will respond without believeing about it. No-one likes looking at a DJ who's more concentrated on hitting the right area of a flat glass object in exactly the right spot than one who can do a half jesus pose as he's twisting a filter knob while looking you right in the eye with a cocky grin. For those reasons I reckon few people are willing to adopt to an iPad only setup. The hardware currently does not exist to make it a realistic proposition unless you have 2 pads running completely unlinked separate applications and going though a separate mixer as well so you can knob jockey to your hearts content. No Doubt there will be a new wave of iPad controllers sooner than later I hope which can utilize the hardware of an iPad coupled with a decent controller and software. Djay is a freaking awesome lil piece of software which gives almost (if not more) as many options as using a CDJ... mix vibes have their app as well which is equally exciting, but like i said .. first wave. Numark have made inroads to utilizing iPads properly it with their Idj Live... and their new pro model looks like it could have been an absolute game changer if they added faders instead of rotaries and a more "standard" EQ layout(instead they matched the non-standard layout of the software I felt like screaming "keep it normal and everyone will want one". instead they fucked with the engomics that DJ's are used to, and for that reason I believe it will fail miserably unless they make serious design changes before release, however they are on the right track IMHO and single versions of this that could be linked or build on the motorized platter of the V7 and they would be unreal and almost suitable for installation if they gave a CD option and USB. IDJ live IDJ Pro idj pro looks ok, may take a look at it... thx
Rolanda Clodfelder 20.07.2012	Originally Posted by dj gullum I believe the reason for rotaries instead of fader is because that way they can be 2 way without being motorised. If you change the volume on the iPad it's sent to the controller so there will be no jump in volume when moving the volume on controller. In which case its an even more stupid idea as Djay is only a 2 deck app currently, so all you'd need to do is reset your faders before you play (like every other controller), the Mic and Line-in have separate volume controls on the front (it would almost make sense if they were controlled by the same rotaries) Who knows maybe theres a 4 deck variant coming which would kind of make sense of the knobs/rings but IMHO 4 decks with 2 volume/jogs and soft-takeover layers just doing it because you can say to everyone "its a 4 deck controller"...which it really isn't, its still a two deck controller with a shift layer of midi to enable doubling on controls (like those 3 megapixel cameras that pixel upscaled images and called themselves 6mp) However going by the pics, there is no layer latching selector in place either so the big knobs are just there so the LED rings light up? Rant over, cool idea and a first for iPad DJ'ing just badly executed IMHO.
Ashanti Andreacchio 19.07.2012	Originally Posted by deevey I felt like screaming "keep it normal and everyone will want one". instead they fucked with the engomics that DJ's are used to, and for that reason I believe it will fail miserably unless they make serious design changes before release, however they are on the right track IMHO and single versions of this that could be linked or build on the motorized platter of the V7 and they would be unreal and almost suitable for installation if they gave a CD option and USB. I believe the reason for rotaries instead of fader is because that way they can be 2 way without being motorised. If you change the volume on the iPad it's sent to the controller so there will be no jump in volume when moving the volume on controller. But I personaly have totaly lost all intrest in intergrating my iPad to my set up. I've used it in my setup but you need to consentrat so much in hitting the right spot and tweeking a knob just right is close to inpossible. I tryed the lemur mapping for remix decks and the lack of feeling and feedback made you wonder if you pressed a button or not. iDJ Pro might be as i believe the version of Djay has big XY pad and they are perfect for touch screens.
Rolanda Clodfelder 19.07.2012	Originally Posted by Rastey So by the looks of this thread ipads no good for djing.. CDJs not interested at all. Does anyone on here actually use an ipad for djing? I believe the issue virtually everyone has with iPad's for DJ'ing or live performance is the lack of physical knobs and faders.... something you can touch and feel and know it will respond without believeing about it. No-one likes looking at a DJ who's more concentrated on hitting the right area of a flat glass object in exactly the right spot than one who can do a half jesus pose as he's twisting a filter knob while looking you right in the eye with a cocky grin. For those reasons I reckon few people are willing to adopt to an iPad only setup. The hardware currently does not exist to make it a realistic proposition unless you have 2 pads running completely unlinked separate applications and going though a separate mixer as well so you can knob jockey to your hearts content. No Doubt there will be a new wave of iPad controllers sooner than later I hope which can utilize the hardware of an iPad coupled with a decent controller and software. Djay is a freaking awesome lil piece of software which gives almost (if not more) as many options as using a CDJ... mix vibes have their app as well which is equally exciting, but like i said .. first wave. Numark have made inroads to utilizing iPads properly it with their Idj Live... and their new pro model looks like it could have been an absolute game changer if they added faders instead of rotaries and a more "standard" EQ layout(instead they matched the non-standard layout of the software I felt like screaming "keep it normal and everyone will want one". instead they fucked with the engomics that DJ's are used to, and for that reason I believe it will fail miserably unless they make serious design changes before release, however they are on the right track IMHO and single versions of this that could be linked or build on the motorized platter of the V7 and they would be unreal and almost suitable for installation if they gave a CD option and USB. IDJ live IDJ Pro
Lavona Pers 19.07.2012	So by the looks of this thread ipads no good for djing.. CDJs not interested at all. Does anyone on here actually use an ipad for djing?
Mimi Mahaffee 17.07.2012	i believe ipad for djing is sweet. im planning to combine my ipad with djm 850 and a macbook and perhaps x1 or midifighter. will be a space efficient setup!
Consuelo Lene 15.07.2012	ipad is good for djing.. you can buy it and use it. it has great features and i am use it will support you..
Roseanna Signorini 15.07.2012	Originally Posted by Rastey Ok, so the views so far are not great, was watching some youtube vids earlier, ipad seems to be ok! don't really want to use a laptop to many things to go wrong.. one interface with all in is what i'm after. Anymore dj all in ones about kinda tried and tested. I'm really not understanding your believeing. You don't want to use a laptop for Djing because too many things can go wrong? An Ipad is just a touchscreen laptop with limitations to what an actual laptop can do. The few DJs that use Ipads don't use them for everything, usually as a touch deck controller but not for the mixer and everything else. An Ipad is a good backup if your main system were to go down in the middle of a gig but as a real DJ system, its just gimmicky to me not to mention very very limited. You are definitely better off with a laptop running real DJ software and a controller.
Lillia Herston 14.07.2012	So I was watching a video the other day (can't remember what it was about or anything, but I've been searching for it for a while) and towards the end the artist (cant remember who it was either, fairly well known) says he is currently using touchosc mapped to traktor pro for his live setup. Then goes on to show him using just the ipad and throwing down with it, ect... can anyone tell me who that it or show me the video?
Audrey Pinda 14.07.2012	Originally Posted by Ianuario "Peace out boy-scout!" Bahaha, what a rad dude I'd like to see his mixer though, I feel like that app is practical, but lacks fx functionalities or just any other feature that would make it more viable. But to each his own man. When I've seen him spin, he's used the club's mixer. So it's fairly versatile. And I imagine he has a beast mixer of his own at home. Drop Goblin has been in the game for a LONG time. He had another name before Drop Goblin... and made some pretty neat stuff :P (I'll let you dig to find it though, that's half the fun!)
Jerica Salava 14.07.2012	if you are not gonna use CDJ's a good inexpensive computer is your only choice. It's the brain that the software is written for. Don't ever undersell the brain. That's the problem with your Stanton. >
Lavona Pers 14.07.2012	If i were to go for an i pad i take it ipad 3 64g would be the best option??
Madelene Witek 14.07.2012	Originally Posted by djproben look up algoriddim's djay and see if that will work for you. I believe it will work with controllers too so you can use the hardware with it. You'll probably want some other hardware for a soundcard since the ipad sound card is weak; i believe alesis makes a dock for the ipad with sound ins and outs. But seriously if you're gonna use an ipad for your software why not just use a laptop? Install traktor, use your stanton as a midi controller, rock the house.... If you really want to get away from a computer, go to vinyl or cdjs. An ipad is just a computer, and you'll be frustrated by its limitations (small screen, lack of cpu power, limited software options, etc.) either way you're still looking at a screen. Of course, you can get 2 ipads and a mixer and be like rana june if that's your thing. It's a little different though; the ipads are just being used to generate the music, and the mixer is where all your controls are. lol
Lavona Pers 14.07.2012	Yess, loving this.. need to make a decision S2 or ipad,
Rebeca Swarr 14.07.2012	Originally Posted by djproben Mind = Blown I like how he goes all over the place with the features. Might not work out for most of us, but it sure gives me the nerdchills.
Danae Dumler 13.07.2012	As far as the traxpad app goes, yeah that looks pretty straightforward; two ipads and a mixer and you can rock out as if you were playing CDs. Not my thing per se - not a huge fan of the touch screen for that type of interface - but it would work if you can afford a second ipad. My personal favorite ipad performance is this one, posted here a year or two ago: Of course, he's using a laptop to do most of the heavy lifting. His ipad apps are just running timecode and midi control apps. Well that and maybe a sampler. What's your objection to a laptop anyway? An ipad is just a computer, so the solution you're asking for actually involves 2 computers rather than one, so possibly more things to go wrong rather than less. But of course it all depends on how stable your software is, and if you don't trust your software, you shouldn't be DJing with it anyway...
Danae Dumler 13.07.2012	Originally Posted by deevey The Alesis Dock is not supported by any of the current DJ apps for audio output and the numark iPad discover DJ thingy is the only controller that actually works with djay far as I know. Wait, seriously? Isn't the alesis just a normal sound card? What if you connect a different soundcard via one of those camera/USB adapters? I remember reading that any sound card would work that way but I guess if the software can't address it, it's useless. Damn you ipad....
Rocco Fiveash 13.07.2012	But can you scratch? ... wiki wiki wah wah!!
Rebeca Swarr 13.07.2012	Originally Posted by Bassline Brine Drop Goblin also uses a dual iPad setup to great success. I've seen him use it a couple of times now, and it's solid. Just a different choice in how you want to manipulate your music. If that's what you want, then I say 100% go for it. It's pretty neat. "Peace out boy-scout!" Bahaha, what a rad dude I'd like to see his mixer though, I feel like that app is practical, but lacks fx functionalities or just any other feature that would make it more viable. But to each his own man.
Audrey Pinda 13.07.2012	Drop Goblin also uses a dual iPad setup to great success. I've seen him use it a couple of times now, and it's solid. Just a different choice in how you want to manipulate your music. If that's what you want, then I say 100% go for it. It's pretty neat.
Celine Surico 13.07.2012	No laptop then you need to look at cheaper or used CDJ solutions.
Lavona Pers 13.07.2012	Maybe i'll look at an S2 or vci100 mk2 still don't want to use my laptop though.
Bennie Homel 13.07.2012	Why not sell the stanton and buy a controller made for software you like? If you're already willing to drop the cash for a new ipad...
Lavona Pers 13.07.2012	Ok, so the views so far are not great, was watching some youtube vids earlier, ipad seems to be ok! don't really want to use a laptop to many things to go wrong.. one interface with all in is what i'm after. Anymore dj all in ones about kinda tried and tested.
Rolanda Clodfelder 13.07.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo So the iPad will be your only piece of hardware? I wouldn't like that. You'd be wayyyyyyyy better off with a $200 netbook with 4gb ram + Mixxx (free) and a Mixtrak pro than screwing around with iPad apps. The software is actually decent for ipad (Djay/Mixvibes cross), the functions are all pretty good, browsing library is great, stability is great BUT the lack of proper headphone/master outputs (mono only with a splitter cable) and the current lack of controllers would make me say no-way jose. The Alesis Dock is not supported by any of the current DJ apps for audio output and the numark iPad discover DJ thingy is the only controller that actually works with djay far as I know.
Danae Dumler 14.07.2012	Look up Algoriddim's djay and see if that will work for you. I believe it will work with controllers too so you can use the hardware with it. You'll probably want some other hardware for a soundcard since the ipad sound card is weak; I believe Alesis makes a dock for the ipad with sound ins and outs. But seriously if you're gonna use an ipad for your software why not just use a laptop? Install Traktor, use your stanton as a midi controller, rock the house.... If you really want to get away from a computer, go to vinyl or CDJs. An iPad is just a computer, and you'll be frustrated by its limitations (small screen, lack of CPU power, limited software options, etc.) Either way you're still looking at a screen. Of course, you can get 2 ipads and a mixer and be like Rana June if that's your thing. It's a little different though; the ipads are just being used to generate the music, and the mixer is where all your controls are.
Leeanna Ayla 14.07.2012	So the iPad will be your only piece of hardware? I wouldn't like that.
Lavona Pers 14.07.2012	Record function is shite, beat sync is shite, headphone volume is shite, updates are shite... i could go on. Don't get me wrong the hardwear is great but as always software lets it down. Concept is smashing no computer, just needs a decent/stable program to make it brilliant. Oh yeah autogain is tat no actual gain control, bad move!
Freida Leash 13.07.2012	What don't you like about your controller?

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