DJing : How should I proceed
DJing : How should I proceed Posted on: 25.07.2012 by Verdell Mulroney So I'm trying to make some money off my music by getting DJ gigs. I live by NYC and I see DJ's all over my town at some of the outdoor restaurants.Admittedly I'm an amateur and only been trying djing for a few months (plz don't post any nonsense about it requiring 20 years of masterful practive). I've been doing music since I was 6 and all things electronic since early in highschool. My setup up is Traktor 2.5 w/ two xone k2's and maschine mikro. That serves all my purposes for mixing, effects, and cueing, looping, loading decks and all that good stuff. I guess where I am now is trying to decide how to proceed. I enjoy doing the whole housy/electro/minimal techno thing. All of those beats sort of flow into each other and they work really well with effects and looping and doing youre own thing. So thats one way to go I guess thats fun and somewhat creative. I don't really know ttoo many artists. But I don't have a problem mixing house stuff and I even throw in my own beats on maschine like richie hawton. The other way I could go is maybe check out the top 200 itunes for hiphop rnb, pop, electronic and just play out all those mainstream songs. That I could do easily and people want to hear that at clubs and parties so I feel it would be an easy way to make money. I got all the digital stuff (minus a serious sound system - don't know if I should save up for that being that many venues have their own) So I guess if there are any working dj's making enough money to afford a shit apartment in brooklyn or something. Could you lend me some advice on how to proceed. And please no discouraging statements about how it takes a lifetime of mastery to make 50 bucks a evening . This isn't Tabla playing. (that shit takes ten years to be a beginner haha) BTW, does anyone know when remix decks are gonna be open for any midi controller. | |
Darlene Strohbeck 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by ToOntown
I'm trying to do the guy a favor because I've seen it happen to guys before. DJ'ing is not something that any of us got into by accident or because we kinda sorta like the house-y thing--it's something that we have dedicated a significant amount of time towards because we have a passion for music and gear. And we did it naturally because it's something we thought was immensely cool. I'm not hoarding all of the DJ thunder for myself, obviously--that's an absurd thing to suggest. What's funny is that there are people with no experience who come in here and try to tell us how easy it is to make money doing what we all know is hard to make money doing. That's what gets me fired up.
Not too long ago someone on here started a thread in outrage after he read a thread on another board, from a guy who owned a DJ company and claimed that he never played live sets. Apparently he used software to layout and entire set in advance, and this guy pulled in 700 gigs a year (in the Chicago area, so he's definitely wasn't some country bumpkin), had numerous staff, and made enough money to support his wife, family, and live comfortably. Maybe it wasn't "easy" for him, but I guess it depends on how you quantify "easy". It's not easy to successfully operate a company with staff, but it's "easier" to start a DJ company with low overhead, than an actual storefront or a franchise where you have to pay $100k just for the franchise alone. He also didn't possess any of the skills that we consider rudimentary for every DJ, like mixing, and implementing live track selection, so for the most part, I would say it was "easy" for him as far as small businesses are concerned. In addition to that, I've heard of mobile DJ's that charged $1,200 and didn't mix. They'd just show up with a Macbook and plug directly into the sound system playing everything out of iTunes. I would say that's the "easiest" $1,200 anyone could ever make. Some of those guys even made enough money to operate as full time DJ's.
Yes, he does have some interest which is why it might be best to try to find his identity through bedroom DJ'ing. Maybe then he'll steer himself in the right direction.
If you want to write, write. Over and over again. And then write some more. But don't go onto an internet message board all "Hey, writing seems pretty cool but I don't know what I like to write about. How can I make money doing it?" Would you ever do that? Probably not...
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Shonda Soulier 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
Yes, he does have some interest which is why it might be best to try to find his identity through bedroom DJ'ing. Maybe then he'll steer himself in the right direction. If you want to write, write. Over and over again. And then write some more. But don't go onto an internet message board all "Hey, writing seems pretty cool but I don't know what I like to write about. How can I make money doing it?" Would you ever do that? Probably not... |
Brenna Welbes 27.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
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Germaine Bernadin 25.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
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Darlene Strohbeck 25.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by phloston
Around here mobile DJ'ing is the easiest way of making money and getting into it quick. If you want to DJ in the clubs, well then, as mentioned already, be prepared to do a lot of work for minimal, or possibly no results. Around here, it's a boys club. It's more about who you know as opposed to what you can do. Same with the restaurant/bar scene. Except that even in the restaurant/bar scene some venues still expect you to bring your own speakers because they're not set up for that kind of stuff. Getting speakers is no problem since you can probably rent, getting the gigs is the hard part. Compiling the music is the hard part too, especially if you want to do weddings. Ideally you'll want to have everything that anyone could possibly ask for. |
Geri Jarra 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by phloston
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Brenna Welbes 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by phloston
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Ervin Calvery 25.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by phloston
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Verdell Mulroney 25.07.2012 | So I'm trying to make some money off my music by getting DJ gigs. I live by NYC and I see DJ's all over my town at some of the outdoor restaurants. Admittedly I'm an amateur and only been trying djing for a few months (plz don't post any nonsense about it requiring 20 years of masterful practive). I've been doing music since I was 6 and all things electronic since early in highschool. My setup up is Traktor 2.5 w/ two xone k2's and maschine mikro. That serves all my purposes for mixing, effects, and cueing, looping, loading decks and all that good stuff. I guess where I am now is trying to decide how to proceed. I enjoy doing the whole housy/electro/minimal techno thing. All of those beats sort of flow into each other and they work really well with effects and looping and doing youre own thing. So thats one way to go I guess thats fun and somewhat creative. I don't really know ttoo many artists. But I don't have a problem mixing house stuff and I even throw in my own beats on maschine like richie hawton. The other way I could go is maybe check out the top 200 itunes for hiphop rnb, pop, electronic and just play out all those mainstream songs. That I could do easily and people want to hear that at clubs and parties so I feel it would be an easy way to make money. I got all the digital stuff (minus a serious sound system - don't know if I should save up for that being that many venues have their own) So I guess if there are any working dj's making enough money to afford a shit apartment in brooklyn or something. Could you lend me some advice on how to proceed. And please no discouraging statements about how it takes a lifetime of mastery to make 50 bucks a evening . This isn't Tabla playing. (that shit takes ten years to be a beginner haha) BTW, does anyone know when remix decks are gonna be open for any midi controller. |
Shonda Soulier 26.07.2012 | Well there you go, OP. Case in point about how you could be up and running charging $1200 a gig in New York in no time at all! Gotta play your cards right, though. Best of luck, brotha! Sorry I tried to discourage you! Happy to help in anyway possible from now on |
Darlene Strohbeck 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by ToOntown
I'm trying to do the guy a favor because I've seen it happen to guys before. DJ'ing is not something that any of us got into by accident or because we kinda sorta like the house-y thing--it's something that we have dedicated a significant amount of time towards because we have a passion for music and gear. And we did it naturally because it's something we thought was immensely cool. I'm not hoarding all of the DJ thunder for myself, obviously--that's an absurd thing to suggest. What's funny is that there are people with no experience who come in here and try to tell us how easy it is to make money doing what we all know is hard to make money doing. That's what gets me fired up.
Not too long ago someone on here started a thread in outrage after he read a thread on another board, from a guy who owned a DJ company and claimed that he never played live sets. Apparently he used software to layout and entire set in advance, and this guy pulled in 700 gigs a year (in the Chicago area, so he's definitely wasn't some country bumpkin), had numerous staff, and made enough money to support his wife, family, and live comfortably. Maybe it wasn't "easy" for him, but I guess it depends on how you quantify "easy". It's not easy to successfully operate a company with staff, but it's "easier" to start a DJ company with low overhead, than an actual storefront or a franchise where you have to pay $100k just for the franchise alone. He also didn't possess any of the skills that we consider rudimentary for every DJ, like mixing, and implementing live track selection, so for the most part, I would say it was "easy" for him as far as small businesses are concerned. In addition to that, I've heard of mobile DJ's that charged $1,200 and didn't mix. They'd just show up with a Macbook and plug directly into the sound system playing everything out of iTunes. I would say that's the "easiest" $1,200 anyone could ever make. Some of those guys even made enough money to operate as full time DJ's.
Yes, he does have some interest which is why it might be best to try to find his identity through bedroom DJ'ing. Maybe then he'll steer himself in the right direction.
If you want to write, write. Over and over again. And then write some more. But don't go onto an internet message board all "Hey, writing seems pretty cool but I don't know what I like to write about. How can I make money doing it?" Would you ever do that? Probably not...
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Shonda Soulier 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
Yes, he does have some interest which is why it might be best to try to find his identity through bedroom DJ'ing. Maybe then he'll steer himself in the right direction. If you want to write, write. Over and over again. And then write some more. But don't go onto an internet message board all "Hey, writing seems pretty cool but I don't know what I like to write about. How can I make money doing it?" Would you ever do that? Probably not... |
Freida Leash 27.07.2012 | +2 This is what I wanted to write last evening but got frustrated trying to express... Mostly put in your work and do your own thing, in many aspects of situations like this failure is only not trying at all. |
Brenna Welbes 27.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
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Darlene Strohbeck 27.07.2012 | It's funny how DJ's get all elitist once a noob enters and starts talking about how he has little experience and wants to get into it because it seems like a cool way of making money. The interest in any occupation always starts with believeing that it's "cool" and wanting to make money. At least he has "some" interest in it, because there are a lot of occupations where it's just about the money, ie: unionized city workers. It's almost as if the DJ's are attempting to protect some sacred art form as if it's the holy grail. I've been interested in writing, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that it seems like a cool way to make money...Because let's be honest, who wants to waste their time working if it doesn't involve making money? To the OP: don't pay any attention to the negative and discouraging feedback. We've all been down that road. We've all played the crappy gigs to empty rooms, and really stunk it up because we didn't know any better or are just learning. Do what you can, try as hard as you can, and get as much help as you can...That's really all you can do. |
Germaine Bernadin 25.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
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Georgina Schatzman 25.07.2012 | Not even going to get into this as I'm getting angry just believeing about it. Deevey and Toontown pretty much sums up how I feel, just in a nicer, friendlier way. |
Darlene Strohbeck 25.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by phloston
Around here mobile DJ'ing is the easiest way of making money and getting into it quick. If you want to DJ in the clubs, well then, as mentioned already, be prepared to do a lot of work for minimal, or possibly no results. Around here, it's a boys club. It's more about who you know as opposed to what you can do. Same with the restaurant/bar scene. Except that even in the restaurant/bar scene some venues still expect you to bring your own speakers because they're not set up for that kind of stuff. Getting speakers is no problem since you can probably rent, getting the gigs is the hard part. Compiling the music is the hard part too, especially if you want to do weddings. Ideally you'll want to have everything that anyone could possibly ask for. |
Rolanda Clodfelder 25.07.2012 | Q: What do YOU want to hear mixed up on a evening
out ? Whatever the answer is; its the type of music you should be playing and looking to play in clubs - not what everyone else happens to be playing. Thats what i'd be suggesting unless you decide to try for the chart/top40 gigs, which are IMHO even harder to get than the speciality gigs as there is more competition for those commercial resident slots. There's no point in being just another mediocre DJ who plays <insert genre here> or you are bound to fail miserably. Strive to be the best at whatever style you are actually into, its not all about how many tracks you can fit into 30 seconds or how many genres can you fit in a set, or how you feel that you are as good as <insert good top notch jock>.
The other way I could go is maybe check out the top 200 itunes for hiphop rnb, pop, electronic and just play out all those mainstream songs. That I could do easily and people want to hear that at clubs and parties so I feel it would be an easy way to make money.
plz don't post any nonsense about it requiring 20 years of masterful practive
Your right, it doesn't take 20 years of experience to PLAY some freaking records or even mix them in time (an iPod could do that). However it can take years to learn how to read a crowd properly or recover the crowd from a cleared dance floor because you dropped a crappy track mid-set. You need alot of Love for the music that you love, guts, preparation for lots broken egos and dreams and above all NEVER believe you are the best DJ in the room (even if you are).
and thought "Hm... I guess that would be a fun way to pay the rent. I wonder if it's hard."
Knowing your limitations is part of the process as well. |
Shonda Soulier 25.07.2012 | Well, you said not to be discouraging but I don't want anyone giving you false hope so here goes... You sound pretty wishy-washy about music and you're pretty hung up on money so I'd recommend not getting into it. It actually does take a lot of work to get hired, even more work to "make money". Especially in New fucking York. To put in that work you have to really love DJing. I'm not convinced even a little bit that this is the case. It sounds like you were looking at the Classifieds and saw a DJ job in the middle of a bunch of delivery and restaurant jobs and thought "Hm... I guess that would be a fun way to pay the rent. I wonder if it's hard."
That I could do easily and people want to hear that at clubs and parties so I feel it would be an easy way to make money.
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Geri Jarra 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by phloston
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Brenna Welbes 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by phloston
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Verdell Mulroney 25.07.2012 | i heard that they plan but not for a while I demand! and a lotta ppl do too wouldn't you like to be able to drop a buildup and then a splash of white noise all by yourself all with traktor with a shitty midi keybboard |
Ervin Calvery 25.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by phloston
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Freida Leash 25.07.2012 | I say just approach venues with a mix CD and your contact info, see who calls, and check back up with them if they don't. Even if the venue owner doesn't listen to your mix if you follow up, they might give you a spot. Outdoor restaurants, coffee shops, and the like are probably going to be good choices for letting you do your own thing more than having you play Top 40. I suspect that you are going to be playing for at least 4 hours at this type of gig, so that might be the challenge to over come. |
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