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Best controller for traktor with 4 decks Posted on: 25.07.2012 by Janell Hin Looking to spend $1100 today or tomorrow on a 4 deck tractor controller with flight case. The gear must have professional outputs, like xlr or balanced trs. It must have replaceable crossfader. I am leaning towards the 4trak but afraid it will be buggy and glitchy. Interested in the VCI 400 but it just seems so foreign to me having used the v7s and dispute their limitations I liked them.
Danae Dumler 27.07.2012	Originally Posted by Entheos406 I may still be wrong, but my comment was not in reference to needing two computers to run the two programs, it was about the itch software only letting you use all four decks if you run two computer s. One v7 is two decks, two v7s are two decks. No extra tracks available because one runs as a dummy essentially. Sorry for this post but my android phone isn't the best and im too cheep to buy tapatalk. Ahh got it. Do you really want timecode on all four decks though? Especially with only two jog wheels; why not run A+B through Itch through traktor as recommended and then use buttons for C+D? I guess it depends what you want to do with them but personally I never saw the point of running more than two live decks except to show off your beatmatching skills. And if that's your goal, you want turntables/CDJs anyway. Actually, come to believe of it, you can still do this with just one computer. I can use the same turntable to control decks A + C, and the same one to control B+D, all within Traktor. So if you have one instance of Itch sending timecode to traktor, you just have to configure traktor so that A+C decks are controlled by the same inputs. Then you just switch to timecode on whichever deck you need. (just be careful or one record will be manipulating two songs). But I used to do this all the time when I wanted to use deck C just for scratch samples while mixing on A+B.
Danae Dumler 26.07.2012	Originally Posted by Entheos406 You can run 4 decks on the V7s that way, and with itch. You just need two computers. I have seen that hack and it seems pretty lame to run timecode tracks through itch to run traktor. Better off with itch's limitations in my opinion. No, you can run both itch and Traktor on the same computer. No need for a second computer (unless I don't understand the comment?) You'd have to google for details but the guy who figured this out said there really wasn't any additional latency.
Lashawn Maycock 26.07.2012	Originally Posted by Entheos406 Oh funny, I thought the S4 was small. I don't mind a large setup. I have to have something to put on that 6 foot table they give me. All my other gear is in rolling carts. I do like the wow factor that the v7s get and it's fun having the old duffers ask my why my 45 player doesn't have a needle. Do you know what, you're the first person I've seen post that about the S4 size, I completely agree! I was surprised by the compactness when I went to demo it. I guess it was my first move away from TT's after 15 years or so and was used to big, heavy kit like the 1210s along with the 19" mixer and cases of vinyl. I also looked/demo'd other controllers around in early 2011 and thought 'these surely can't be used for DJing, they're too small, almost 'My First DJ Mixer' aimed at a 5 year old?!!!'. That's not meant as a criticism just not what I was used to at the time.
Cole Maroto 25.07.2012	Originally Posted by djproben Dunno about the crossfader but if I was buying a 4-deck controller today I wouldn't look at anything but the VCI-400 EGE. That's because I've had such good experience with the VCI-100 and the S4 never really did it for me. I don't like how tied to the software the controller is and I don't really like the feel of it. I don't believe sound quality would be an issue on either one. And of course the 400 EGE will have all the DJTT trick mappings if you want to get fancy with it. The Denon is probably your best bet in terms of pure sound quality but seriously you're not going to be able to notice any difference at all unless you are playing and listening under conditions you would never play and listen under (really, listening for a tiny smudge on the attack of a high hat? who does that?) The feel of it is definitely cramped but a lot of people don't mind that. The Denon would be my second choice after the VCI because of its input/output options and the fact that it can be used as a regular mixer (the S4 can't). The booth option it offers is nice if you do a lot of random gigs at places that aren't clubs that suddenly tell you at the last minute they want a CD playing in another room while you are DJing in the main room or whatever. Honestly I wouldn't bother with any others. I don't know anything about the Numark but I don't like the look of it at all. And honestly the v7 is the only thing they made that I ever really liked, including their mixers, so I'm already biased against it. So the VCI-400 gets my vote, for what it's worth... i agree with this. i have a the vci-400 ege and i really like it. i believe if i went with the s4 i would always be believeing i made the wrong choice in the back of my mind. when i play on my vestax, i know i picked correctly. it's all about personal preference though, so good luck on your choice.
Janell Hin 25.07.2012	Originally Posted by dj matt blaze Why do you need a replaceable crossfader if you don't scratch? Here is what I responded in the other thread I started earlier. I started a new one because it got dropped to the next page and nobody seemed interested in commenting. The other one suddenly jumped up top and I kinda feel like a douche for starting two threads on basically the same topic. Here is my gripe: I set up the V7s 3 times a week, and the only output on the turntable is an RCA jack that is soldered into a circuit board with a 10 pin connection. Not user replaceable. Cost me $100 to fix when the rca jack stripped out. Not only that, even though the hardware completely allows 4 deck control they never bothered programing it in. Also, in hind-sight I believe Traktor is a much better (more customizable) program and it would suit me to learn on that. Also, why do I need vinyl emulators if I don't know how to scratch on vinyl? Can't I just learn how to scratch on jog wheels if all I am going to be doing is using it sparingly and mostly for fun and my main DJ sets are not going to be scratch heavy? I feel like I got left behind with the V7s, and they are good for somebody who likes and is familiar with vinyl. I am neutral on the subject of vinyl. If I want tractor and 4 deck control I should have the 4trak or the VCI. The S4 just seems kinda cheap to me, and not having a user replaceable crossfader just makes me believe they didn't believe it through. I have heard many great things about the NS6, and if the 4trak is the NS6 for Traktor it's probably what I want. The reason I am asking you guys is that I figure some of you have experience with these machines. My gripes about the v7 will probably make some stay away, and others will not care, it will help them make their decision. I want to hear from those who have used the 4-trak and those who have used the VCI 400 and see which way to go, because I am selling my V7s and buying a new setup soon. In fact the 4trak would be on the way if I hadn't paused to talk with you all and hadn't spent 12 of the last 24 hours pouring over pictures, websites and videos.
Danae Dumler 27.07.2012	Originally Posted by Entheos406 I may still be wrong, but my comment was not in reference to needing two computers to run the two programs, it was about the itch software only letting you use all four decks if you run two computer s. One v7 is two decks, two v7s are two decks. No extra tracks available because one runs as a dummy essentially. Sorry for this post but my android phone isn't the best and im too cheep to buy tapatalk. Ahh got it. Do you really want timecode on all four decks though? Especially with only two jog wheels; why not run A+B through Itch through traktor as recommended and then use buttons for C+D? I guess it depends what you want to do with them but personally I never saw the point of running more than two live decks except to show off your beatmatching skills. And if that's your goal, you want turntables/CDJs anyway. Actually, come to believe of it, you can still do this with just one computer. I can use the same turntable to control decks A + C, and the same one to control B+D, all within Traktor. So if you have one instance of Itch sending timecode to traktor, you just have to configure traktor so that A+C decks are controlled by the same inputs. Then you just switch to timecode on whichever deck you need. (just be careful or one record will be manipulating two songs). But I used to do this all the time when I wanted to use deck C just for scratch samples while mixing on A+B.
Onie Sarandos 26.07.2012	Ive had an S4 since 2010 and I still love it. If you're basically just using Traktor and 4 decks, you can't get tighter integration. As previously noted, Scratch cert is another plus. The downsides: its not a "true mixer", I've found the sound to be noticeably lower than other sources, and it's quite large, even compared to other 4 deck controllers, such as the Denon.
Janell Hin 26.07.2012	I may still be wrong, but my comment was not in reference to needing two computers to run the two programs, it was about the itch software only letting you use all four decks if you run two computer s. One v7 is two decks, two v7s are two decks. No extra tracks available because one runs as a dummy essentially. Sorry for this post but my android phone isn't the best and im too cheep to buy tapatalk.
Danae Dumler 26.07.2012	Originally Posted by Entheos406 You can run 4 decks on the V7s that way, and with itch. You just need two computers. I have seen that hack and it seems pretty lame to run timecode tracks through itch to run traktor. Better off with itch's limitations in my opinion. No, you can run both itch and Traktor on the same computer. No need for a second computer (unless I don't understand the comment?) You'd have to google for details but the guy who figured this out said there really wasn't any additional latency.
Lashawn Maycock 26.07.2012	Originally Posted by Entheos406 Oh funny, I thought the S4 was small. I don't mind a large setup. I have to have something to put on that 6 foot table they give me. All my other gear is in rolling carts. I do like the wow factor that the v7s get and it's fun having the old duffers ask my why my 45 player doesn't have a needle. Do you know what, you're the first person I've seen post that about the S4 size, I completely agree! I was surprised by the compactness when I went to demo it. I guess it was my first move away from TT's after 15 years or so and was used to big, heavy kit like the 1210s along with the 19" mixer and cases of vinyl. I also looked/demo'd other controllers around in early 2011 and thought 'these surely can't be used for DJing, they're too small, almost 'My First DJ Mixer' aimed at a 5 year old?!!!'. That's not meant as a criticism just not what I was used to at the time.
Janell Hin 26.07.2012	Oh funny, I thought the S4 was small. I don't mind a large setup. I have to have something to put on that 6 foot table they give me. All my other gear is in rolling carts. I do like the wow factor that the v7s get and it's fun having the old duffers ask my why my 45 player doesn't have a needle.
Latoria Kavulich 26.07.2012	The 4trak is one badass beast, too big tho imo i'd rather just have a proper mixer with midi. go with the s4 or 400 like the lads say.
Hipolito Scionti 26.07.2012	I'd say S4 or VCI400 EGE. If portability is an issue, then go for the 400. It's a decent size. The S4 is pretty big physically
Janell Hin 26.07.2012	You can run 4 decks on the V7s that way, and with itch. You just need two computers. I have seen that hack and it seems pretty lame to run timecode tracks through itch to run traktor. Better off with itch's limitations in my opinion. I was leaning towards the 4 trak because I like the buttons and feel on the V7, to hear they changed that makes me want to spend a little more and get the vestax, also because I believe Ean Golden is a pretty straight up dude and I'd like to support him and his 400 EGE...
Danae Dumler 26.07.2012	Just a couple things to add: 1) you can replace the fader in an S4; it's tricky but it's been done: http://www.djranking s.com/2011/11/2...er-innobender/ -- it's not meant to be "user replaceable" per se, but you can certainly do it. 2) You can keep your v7 and run Traktor; what you do is run your timecode on Itch and pipe it through Traktor (of course you need Traktor Scratch Pro for this to work). It's a little hack-y and some would say you are ripping off Serato by doing it but it's your hardware and software, you ought to be able to do as you like. I don't know about 4deck control, but you can run 2 decks with one physical timecode deck so I don't see why you couldn't run 4 decks with two. So if you like your v7 other than the 4deck thing, you might not need to buy anything.
Cole Maroto 25.07.2012	Originally Posted by djproben Dunno about the crossfader but if I was buying a 4-deck controller today I wouldn't look at anything but the VCI-400 EGE. That's because I've had such good experience with the VCI-100 and the S4 never really did it for me. I don't like how tied to the software the controller is and I don't really like the feel of it. I don't believe sound quality would be an issue on either one. And of course the 400 EGE will have all the DJTT trick mappings if you want to get fancy with it. The Denon is probably your best bet in terms of pure sound quality but seriously you're not going to be able to notice any difference at all unless you are playing and listening under conditions you would never play and listen under (really, listening for a tiny smudge on the attack of a high hat? who does that?) The feel of it is definitely cramped but a lot of people don't mind that. The Denon would be my second choice after the VCI because of its input/output options and the fact that it can be used as a regular mixer (the S4 can't). The booth option it offers is nice if you do a lot of random gigs at places that aren't clubs that suddenly tell you at the last minute they want a CD playing in another room while you are DJing in the main room or whatever. Honestly I wouldn't bother with any others. I don't know anything about the Numark but I don't like the look of it at all. And honestly the v7 is the only thing they made that I ever really liked, including their mixers, so I'm already biased against it. So the VCI-400 gets my vote, for what it's worth... i agree with this. i have a the vci-400 ege and i really like it. i believe if i went with the s4 i would always be believeing i made the wrong choice in the back of my mind. when i play on my vestax, i know i picked correctly. it's all about personal preference though, so good luck on your choice.
Janell Hin 25.07.2012	Originally Posted by dj matt blaze Why do you need a replaceable crossfader if you don't scratch? Here is what I responded in the other thread I started earlier. I started a new one because it got dropped to the next page and nobody seemed interested in commenting. The other one suddenly jumped up top and I kinda feel like a douche for starting two threads on basically the same topic. Here is my gripe: I set up the V7s 3 times a week, and the only output on the turntable is an RCA jack that is soldered into a circuit board with a 10 pin connection. Not user replaceable. Cost me $100 to fix when the rca jack stripped out. Not only that, even though the hardware completely allows 4 deck control they never bothered programing it in. Also, in hind-sight I believe Traktor is a much better (more customizable) program and it would suit me to learn on that. Also, why do I need vinyl emulators if I don't know how to scratch on vinyl? Can't I just learn how to scratch on jog wheels if all I am going to be doing is using it sparingly and mostly for fun and my main DJ sets are not going to be scratch heavy? I feel like I got left behind with the V7s, and they are good for somebody who likes and is familiar with vinyl. I am neutral on the subject of vinyl. If I want tractor and 4 deck control I should have the 4trak or the VCI. The S4 just seems kinda cheap to me, and not having a user replaceable crossfader just makes me believe they didn't believe it through. I have heard many great things about the NS6, and if the 4trak is the NS6 for Traktor it's probably what I want. The reason I am asking you guys is that I figure some of you have experience with these machines. My gripes about the v7 will probably make some stay away, and others will not care, it will help them make their decision. I want to hear from those who have used the 4-trak and those who have used the VCI 400 and see which way to go, because I am selling my V7s and buying a new setup soon. In fact the 4trak would be on the way if I hadn't paused to talk with you all and hadn't spent 12 of the last 24 hours pouring over pictures, websites and videos.
Danae Dumler 25.07.2012	Dunno about the crossfader but if I was buying a 4-deck controller today I wouldn't look at anything but the VCI-400 EGE. That's because I've had such good experience with the VCI-100 and the S4 never really did it for me. I don't like how tied to the software the controller is and I don't really like the feel of it. I don't believe sound quality would be an issue on either one. And of course the 400 EGE will have all the DJTT trick mappings if you want to get fancy with it. The Denon is probably your best bet in terms of pure sound quality but seriously you're not going to be able to notice any difference at all unless you are playing and listening under conditions you would never play and listen under (really, listening for a tiny smudge on the attack of a high hat? who does that?) The feel of it is definitely cramped but a lot of people don't mind that. The Denon would be my second choice after the VCI because of its input/output options and the fact that it can be used as a regular mixer (the S4 can't). The booth option it offers is nice if you do a lot of random gigs at places that aren't clubs that suddenly tell you at the last minute they want a CD playing in another room while you are DJing in the main room or whatever. Honestly I wouldn't bother with any others. I don't know anything about the Numark but I don't like the look of it at all. And honestly the v7 is the only thing they made that I ever really liked, including their mixers, so I'm already biased against it. So the VCI-400 gets my vote, for what it's worth...
Roseanna Signorini 25.07.2012	Why do you need a replaceable crossfader if you don't scratch?
Angella Tsukerman 25.07.2012	You can access your iTunes playlists with Traktor yes. Scratch certified means it works with Traktor Scratch Pro which allows you to use timecode vinyl/cds. I kind of agree with Jason in that you seem to have made up your mind. I have an S4 and love it but I have no experience with the other systems mentioned. Do you already have Traktor though? S4 ships with Traktor so bear that in mind, if you already have it you can sell the additional if you don't you have saved some money.
Eden Effland 25.07.2012	I own the Pioneer DDJ-T1, and like it. However, the crossfader is not replaceable, to my knowledge.
Janell Hin 25.07.2012	Originally Posted by JasonBay Seems like you already have your mind made up, and you're just looking for people to affirm your decision. Mind not entirely made up. Stuck between vci-400 and 4trak What does scratch certified mean? What is the difference in the way the jog wheels respond compared to the v7? I found that I'm not good at scratching and it's not really needed, people want a slick mix rather than scratching, and I've never used vinyl before until I got the V7 virtual vinyl. I'm finding I just bought the wrong machine. I want four decks and all in one. Quick question off topic, does tractor import itunes playlists? That's how I keep my stuff organized.
Georgina Schatzman 25.07.2012	Originally Posted by Entheos406 Doesn't the VCI 400 or the 4trak do 4 decks or am I mistaken? They both seem like they have better outputs and sound than the s4... Seems like you already have your mind made up, and you're just looking for people to affirm your decision.
Germaine Bernadin 25.07.2012	Originally Posted by Entheos406 That would be.... (wait for it!) .... HANDY! :eyeroll: Super........
Lisa Lochotzki 25.07.2012	After 2 years (or so) I still Love my S4, love it's size, workflow, how each control is spaced from each other. VCI400 could be my second choice then Denon MC6000. Only downside of both previous, they're not scratch certified (no big deal for most). MC6000 is too crampy to my taste.
Janell Hin 25.07.2012	Originally Posted by JasonBay Honestly though, all in one controller for four decks leaves you the S4, simple as that. Doesn't the VCI 400 or the 4trak do 4 decks or am I mistaken? They both seem like they have better outputs and sound than the s4...
Georgina Schatzman 25.07.2012	Honestly though, all in one controller for four decks leaves you the S4, simple as that.
Georgina Schatzman 25.07.2012	Originally Posted by Entheos406 That would be.... (wait for it!) .... HANDY! :eyeroll: I like this guy
Janell Hin 25.07.2012	That would be.... (wait for it!) .... HANDY! :eyeroll:
Germaine Bernadin 25.07.2012	Four hands.

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