Speakers to Invest In?
Speakers to Invest In? Posted on: 05.09.2012 by Nellie Bahnsen Background:I just got my first 2 gigs earlier this summer in the Chicago suburbs. I recently moved into Chicago proper and am looking to get gigs on the weekends to take the financial pressure off school. I intend to make DJing a regular part time job while in school. And the gigs I'm most likely to land, will not have any respectable sound system, if one at all, thus requiring me to bring all my own kit (and kaboodle). My current kit consists of a Numark MixtrackPro, MF Classic, and Traktor. As for speakers, I have an old pair of 12in Stageworks and a 2ch amp (don't even know the wattage) on extended loan from a friend. At the dorms I practice on an old 2pc Aiwa home stereo, using the included speakers for mids/highs, and a pair of Bose 401s for the lows. For the gigs I played out, I borrowed a pair of JBLs and a 2ch Gemini amp from a buddy. Issue: While that Aiwa/Bose hybrid setup I work on in the dorms gives fantastic sound quality, it's not something I can use to play out. It's not portable (read: durable), and doesn't look professional either; a professional appearance is something I'm very conscious of putting forth so that anybody who books me will treat me with respect, as well as anybody in the crowd who could potentially ask to book me in the future. I was looking at guitar center (I still have a relationship with the guy who sold me my Numark who is also a fellow DJ), and am pretty lost as to which speakers to buy. As a student I'm not too keen on parting with my greenbacks, but an engineering internship this summer did help, making my budget a little better. If I go the pricey/pricier route, I'd like those speakers to be good ones that will last -an investment, if you will. I was told by that guy at GC, after explaining to him my situation and exp, that I should probably just stick to a pair of powered speakers -though no smaller than 15". He suggested a pair of these 15" powered Mackie speakers. These 15in Peavey speakers also caught my eye for the same price as the above Mackie model. Lastly, on the high/pricey end, I ran across these dual 15in Peavey speakers. I'm posting these here cause I'm concerned about having enough bass (people wanna feel the beat/groove). And these, of course, at their price, would definitely be a long term investment. After hitting up the local bar last week, and seeing the DJ there with a pair of these, a light setup, AND a pair of subs, I felt extremely under geared (though on the flipside, I've seen guys play there with a pair of speakers on stands and some lights on stands too...). Questions: 1) Other than there being one less piece of gear to lug and connect (amp), what are the pros/cons of powered vs. unpowered speaker setups? Is one actually better for mobile DJing than the other? 2) Do I really need 15in speakers, or will 12in do me fine? 3) What about sub(s)? Should I invest in one right now; go with small(er) speakers and sub(s)? If so, are they normally bought alone, for a sort of "2.1" setup, or in a matching pair for a "2.2" type arrangement? 3a) How would I plug said sub(s) into my setup? Do I need a dedicated amp to include a sub or can I connect sub(s) in tandem with powered speakers? Do they normally have pass-throughs for my mid/high speakers or can the pass-throughs on mid/high speakers work to send the lows to the subs w/o negatively impacting the signal? 4) Are those dual 15" Peavey speakers really worth it for a long term investment? And are they good enough in the bass department to forgo a sub(s), if they are worth it in the long run? I'm not opposed to any store at all, though that guy I know at GC said he'd help me out on such a big purchase as a show of reward for my previous loyalty. Thanks for slogging through this post guys. I'm a DJ just starting out and really wanna take this far, so any help is much appreciated! If there's anything that needs to be clarified, ask away! | |
Lela Umanskaya 07.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by djfunke
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Lela Umanskaya 06.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by djfunke
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Shalon Jaranilla 06.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by haze324
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Luetta Willing 10.09.2012 | Hi, I also wanna buy a setup entry level sound setup, i wanna purchase 2 Gemini RS415 15in 300W Active ABS Moulded Speaker (http://www.soundz.co.za/pGEMI-RS415/...r-each.aspx)or Behringer B215D Eurolive 15in 2-Way Active Loudspeaker(http://www.soundz.co.za/pBEB215D/Beh...aker-each.aspx). I would like to get any Professional advice from you guys as I am new in the sound and djing stuff and i wanna make business out of it, i also wanna purchase the numark ndx 400 cdj, how reliable are those brands since i am scrapped for cash i want entry level equipmennt |
Lela Umanskaya 07.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by djfunke
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Ninfa Mazariegos 07.09.2012 | I would get the alto's, do a few small gigs, then get a 18", do a few gigs, then get a second sub. You wouldn't need to upgrade after that. |
Nellie Bahnsen 07.09.2012 | Again everybody, this feedback ins overwhelming and MUCH appreciated -such an awesome community. It's looking more and more like I'll start small and build up from there. Probably just a pair of 12s or 15s on stands until I get booked more/bigger gigs requiring bigger/better gear. However, skipping ahead just a bit here, I did have a question a bout this particular system though and if anybody was familiar with it http://www.guitarcenter.com/Harbinge...22-i2397226.gc (and remember, I'm not locked on GC for prices or supply, they just have a familiar web page). Is this something that's meant to be used solo? Certainly seems like it's got enough ponies behind it to cover any small party. And I'm sure in a pair these would easily knock out decent sized gigs. Am I again, barking up the wrong tree though? |
Ninfa Mazariegos 08.09.2012 | I forget which models/brands I was looking at, but most seemed to be meant to be set up passively with the tops. |
Lela Umanskaya 06.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by djfunke
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Ninfa Mazariegos 06.09.2012 | I got a set of 12" powered Altos for $250 a piece, as well as a set of Harbinger unpowered 18"s for $300 a piece from Guitar Center using their card. It's a $2,000 limit, one year zero intrest credit card. The Altos are very loud, sound great, and are very durable. The Harbingers pound with authority and they rattle the whole house from my basement. They have no built in passive crossovers to draw power like most of the unpowered subs i've seen. I'm running the subs at 8ohms off of two amplifiers, but plan on getting a 1k watt qsc or crown amp and powering both subs at 4ohms to save weight. I'm using a minidsp processor as an active crossover to split the signal between the tops and the subs. It's about the size of a pack of cigarettes and you can power it from your computers usb port. You have live control over many crossover curves and eq settings that you can fine tune using a microphone and third party measuring software. Costs about $150 with shipping from Hong Kong. I'm very happy with it. They've got a great community and super nice dev team that is always open to suggestions for new software features. They've even got dsp amplifier combos that are really nice. All in all, this system cost under $2000 and is a very bad ass little setup. |
Erica Charvet 06.09.2012 | At a budget of $1000, the best you can do is buy used mains and amplifiers, and build your own subs. I ran a pair of Peavey PV215's and my own subs for a year when I started. Between my three Behringer EP2500's, the PV's, mixer, crossover, and the subs construction costs, I spent only $750 and got a half decent system for parties of up to 200. You will have to dedicate some time to searching for good deals, though. I will warn you though, that the Peavey PV series sounds hideous on its own at anything higher than casual listening volume. They HAVE to be matched with a good sub to get half-listenable sound out of them when pushed. |
Shalon Jaranilla 06.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by haze324
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Julissa Serrone 06.09.2012 | I got a pair of RCF 15 ART Series on eBay brand new from TCW I believef or 750.00, you could probably get the 12's for 650-675 if they still have them on sale. I had a pair of Thumps before and the sound quality and volume is drastically different. While these speakers are great they do lack on the low end. I don't do many mobile gigs, but figure two quality tops would be enough for small parties. They are, but with very little boom. If I was going to mobile more often I would def. and a sub and probably would've gotten the 12's. The only tops I've heard that really pack and punch and have terrific sound quality are QSC, but they are VERY expensive. I believe also keep in mind what kind of gigs you are going to be doing and how much space you need to cover. There are plenty of small spots that you can "get away" with just two tops until you can add a sub. |
Shalon Jaranilla 06.09.2012 | For some cost effective options you could look as well into the b 52 matrix system. Saw some decent reviews about them. Only thing if the sub fails the top speakers fail to and the sub weighs a ton. For europe H&K lucas system is a bit the same. I have choosen to more and more lightweight, You can carry and set it up on your own and don't need help. More money in your pocket. |
Shalon Jaranilla 06.09.2012 | As i said before best to google some audio community
s. Sometimes it's good to go for one brand. But you can mix or match. Depends on how much output and bass you want. Start with one sub For some boom minimal 15 inch, but with one better 18 inch. Can't really give you prices but look on graiglist or ebay when you are in the US. I live in the Caribbean so that's a different story. |
Nellie Bahnsen 06.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by souldancer
How much should I expect to pay for this 2.1 used and new? And do the same brands recommended for speakers, apply for subs? |
Shalon Jaranilla 06.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by Nizobe
They sell rca cables that have xlr cables on the other side those xlr's go into the sub and two xlr cables go from sub into speakers. Easy as 1,2,3 |
Nellie Bahnsen 07.09.2012 | Thanks for all this feedback everybody! So it looks like a pair of active 12"ers and a sub (or two) is the route to go for most gigs. Or can I get away with JUST a pair of 15"s? How do subs typically connect to a PA setup? Currently, with the Numark I have, I'm outputting a stereo RCA signal. Are subs typically active? Do they plug into the same signal as the rest of my speakers, and just simply lap up the low end (I'd imagine through a simple Y-splitter RCA cable, etc)? Or is there some other setup that is required by subs? |
Lauretta Ehrhorn 06.09.2012 | Another RCF fan. Totally agree re the peavey comment although some of their older amps are decent. Used to have 2 x peavey 2000's. Outrageously heavy but built like tanks and great for pushing passive subs. |
Lela Umanskaya 06.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by souldancer
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Shalon Jaranilla 06.09.2012 | Yep, definitely go for a sub and two 12 inch or smaller. Personally i recommend rcf speakers. Best look into some audio community
s or google rcf vs jbl etcetera. Further i worked with Cerwin vega subwoofers and a bit heavy, but nice bass. Sold mine recently for some rcf subs. If you want to go budget check out Behringer, price quality very descent as well. Don't be fooled by rms output, look as well to spl output and listen for yourself because manufactures are wizards in misleading the crowd with numbers. |
Lela Umanskaya 05.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by Nizobe
3) Whatever is ideal for the venue. 4) I've honestly never heard a Peavey speaker that I like, I've heard the whole line (including their constant curvature array setup) and always wondered where the balls were. In your position I'd try the used market, I just got a pair of prx512m for $1000, not sure your location since I'm typing this from my iPhone but you should be able to find something close I would believe. Check out EV, JBL, QSC and even Mackie on your local craigslist or whatever, you could probably find something to grow with. Those PV series boxes would be getting sold again when you decide to move into a more substancial rig. The other brands mentioned all produce good utility speakers that could fill many roles depending on the venue. Edit: checked, your in Chicago. Should be able to dig up some nice used actives I would imagine. |
Nellie Bahnsen 05.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by rotebass
3) As in a 2.1 or 2.2 setup? 4) Why are they crappy speakers? And what brands/models do you recommend in their stead? As for a budget, I assumed it was implied by the fact that I listed the 2x Dual 15" Peaveys as my upper limit ($500ea). So, $1k USD is my upper limit. I was more prepared though to drop in the neighborhood of $600. Thanks! |
Lela Umanskaya 05.09.2012 | 1. The biggest pro is that you don't need to spend money hauling around DSP and an amp rack. The cabling is about the same imo. A good powered speaker will typically have some on-board DSP that is probably superior to what you can do by ear. 2. No, that guy doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. 3. A sub and satellite speaker setup is ideal. 4. Anything from the PV series is a waste of money. (Anything from Peavey is a waste of money actually imo) In that whole post, you never mention a concrete budget, that is the most important piece of information before we can actually start to help you out. |
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