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Native Instruments is making me really upset Posted on: 13.09.2012 by Jerica Salava I want to buy a Pioneer WeGo for $260 US, but now I have to midi map it to Traktor. I know it's fun and educational to map the controller yourself, but I would appreciate at least the basics (EQ's, Faders, Jog Wheels, etc.) to be auto mapped already. NI has gone greedy and I don't like their hardware or their prices. This controller VS software war is bad for DJ's. Maybe I'll have to break out my eye patch again. >
Jerica Salava 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by shr3dder It's a competition thing, that and customer service. People shouldn't expect it, but its quite commonly done, at least in a certain Australian retail outlet. They prefer all controllers they sell to be mappable to a variety of software, even if it's not supported out of the box. We do it because people are too lazy to do it themselves (that and I'm a Traktor user, I have no use with shitty Virtual DJ controllers otherwise) . It's worth the time it takes if it generates a few extra sales no? thanks for all the kind words. I can program a controller. Just want more beginners to appreciate Traktor. Don't want to argue about Virtual DJ or Djay VS Traktor anymore. "teach them well and let them lead the way."
Ara Tima 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by ekwipt wow a bit harsh shr3dder Why would a retail store remap a controller for you? Why should we ask/expect them to. Seriously OP seems to lazy to do it on their own. It's a competition thing, that and customer service. People shouldn't expect it, but its quite commonly done, at least in a certain Australian retail outlet. They prefer all controllers they sell to be mappable to a variety of software, even if it's not supported out of the box. We do it because people are too lazy to do it themselves (that and I'm a Traktor user, I have no use with shitty Virtual DJ controllers otherwise) . It's worth the time it takes if it generates a few extra sales no?
Eloy Kiepke 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by ToOntown Not at all what I said, was it? Siding with proben. He's funnier than you.
Shonda Soulier 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by djproben Oh yeah, American Audio almost put NI out of business with that VMS4. Sales were through the roof; I see VMS4s everywhere, and hardly ever see an S4. Oh wait, that was during my visit to fucking opposite world. Not at all what I said, was it?
Danae Dumler 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by ToOntown It's not a bad point but remember when the S4 was coming out and American Audio released the VMS4 to encroach on their market share? They weren't going to let that happen again with the F1. Oh yeah, American Audio almost put NI out of business with that VMS4. Sales were through the roof; I see VMS4s everywhere, and hardly ever see an S4. Oh wait, that was during my visit to fucking opposite world. Seriously, NI didn't lose any market share to AA, and if they did lose any they don't want it anyway -- that VMS4 was not even worth what little they charged for it. And even if they did, that's not a reason to create monopolies over hardware and software; it's a reason to build better products. It's a competitive market for a reason, and the consumer is supposed to benefit from that. I'm not saying they didn't have the right to close down the F1 like they did, just that it was a shitty move from the consumer's perspective, especially sad for those of us who were first attracted to Traktor because of its wealth of open mapping capabilities. But in any case, what they did with the F1 is old news and hopefully they learned something from the backlash; that kind of monopolization has little to do with what the OP is complaining about. NI hasn't shut down your ability to map this controller; they just haven't provided a map for you. It would be cool if they did, I suppose; actually it would be great if they provided basic mappings for every new controller in a page on their website. Luckily third parties are already doing such things for other controllers; if you get the controller before others, why not map it yourself and contribute your mapping.
Johnetta Olewine 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by SirReal Apparently not, unless you're willing to map it. Hahahaha pretty much. I still can't get past the fact that someone is actually buying one of these turd controllers.
Leeanna Ayla 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket Twitch has a Traktor mapping on the Novation webpage. sums it up pretty well.
Jerica Salava 14.09.2012	have a beautiful weekend. >
Era Roka 14.09.2012	This is kinda sad, if you want it, map it. It wont take hours and no NI won't help pioneer with mapping that's because they can map it theirsefs in just 1 hour. I would say map it yourself, i mapped my first controller to. It's not that hard you can al find it out yourself, it's not like a Scamo mapping or something, just some basic stuff.
Johnetta Olewine 14.09.2012	even the bots are bringing the burns
Jerica Salava 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by shr3dder It's a competition thing, that and customer service. People shouldn't expect it, but its quite commonly done, at least in a certain Australian retail outlet. They prefer all controllers they sell to be mappable to a variety of software, even if it's not supported out of the box. We do it because people are too lazy to do it themselves (that and I'm a Traktor user, I have no use with shitty Virtual DJ controllers otherwise) . It's worth the time it takes if it generates a few extra sales no? thanks for all the kind words. I can program a controller. Just want more beginners to appreciate Traktor. Don't want to argue about Virtual DJ or Djay VS Traktor anymore. "teach them well and let them lead the way."
Ara Tima 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by ekwipt wow a bit harsh shr3dder Why would a retail store remap a controller for you? Why should we ask/expect them to. Seriously OP seems to lazy to do it on their own. It's a competition thing, that and customer service. People shouldn't expect it, but its quite commonly done, at least in a certain Australian retail outlet. They prefer all controllers they sell to be mappable to a variety of software, even if it's not supported out of the box. We do it because people are too lazy to do it themselves (that and I'm a Traktor user, I have no use with shitty Virtual DJ controllers otherwise) . It's worth the time it takes if it generates a few extra sales no?
Rochel Gleese 13.09.2012	wow a bit harsh shr3dder Why would a retail store remap a controller for you? Why should we ask/expect them to. Seriously OP seems to lazy to do it on their own.
Ara Tima 13.09.2012	Most manufacturers have Traktor mappings available, how public they make them is another story. I work for a supplier of a certain DJ brand that normally ships with Virtual DJ support. I've (with the help of their technical department) remapped a few controllers to work with Traktor. Now we don't include them in the box, but we make an effort to make it known we can provide support for ANY software then direct them to our Facebook page. I know for a fact most other major Australian DJ retail outlets do the same. So email the manufacturer (or the company you purchased it from if it's a dedicated DJ retail outlet) you'll be surprised how helpful they are, that said I doubt Pioneer will help you before October. They're pricks.
Eloy Kiepke 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by ToOntown Not at all what I said, was it? Siding with proben. He's funnier than you.
Shonda Soulier 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by djproben Oh yeah, American Audio almost put NI out of business with that VMS4. Sales were through the roof; I see VMS4s everywhere, and hardly ever see an S4. Oh wait, that was during my visit to fucking opposite world. Not at all what I said, was it?
Rochel Gleese 13.09.2012	I actually thought you were joking on your first post but after reading the thread I have to agree with others. Surely it's the manufacturer of the controller you've bought best interest/responsibility to map their own product. Not sure how all the other midi controllers that come premapped work but i'm guessing they send the files to NI who collate them every now and again in one big update. TSU I believe you should contact Pioneer
Cole Maroto 13.09.2012	yeah, like others say i don't see how this is ni's responsibility at all, and it has nothing to do with them locking down the software as they aren't blocking most of traktor's functionality to other controllers (obviously the remix decks being the exception). This should clearly be done by the manufacturer of the controller to appeal to as many users as possible. you should be more angry at pioneer than ni in this case.
Danae Dumler 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by ToOntown It's not a bad point but remember when the S4 was coming out and American Audio released the VMS4 to encroach on their market share? They weren't going to let that happen again with the F1. Oh yeah, American Audio almost put NI out of business with that VMS4. Sales were through the roof; I see VMS4s everywhere, and hardly ever see an S4. Oh wait, that was during my visit to fucking opposite world. Seriously, NI didn't lose any market share to AA, and if they did lose any they don't want it anyway -- that VMS4 was not even worth what little they charged for it. And even if they did, that's not a reason to create monopolies over hardware and software; it's a reason to build better products. It's a competitive market for a reason, and the consumer is supposed to benefit from that. I'm not saying they didn't have the right to close down the F1 like they did, just that it was a shitty move from the consumer's perspective, especially sad for those of us who were first attracted to Traktor because of its wealth of open mapping capabilities. But in any case, what they did with the F1 is old news and hopefully they learned something from the backlash; that kind of monopolization has little to do with what the OP is complaining about. NI hasn't shut down your ability to map this controller; they just haven't provided a map for you. It would be cool if they did, I suppose; actually it would be great if they provided basic mappings for every new controller in a page on their website. Luckily third parties are already doing such things for other controllers; if you get the controller before others, why not map it yourself and contribute your mapping.
Johnetta Olewine 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by SirReal Apparently not, unless you're willing to map it. Hahahaha pretty much. I still can't get past the fact that someone is actually buying one of these turd controllers.
Leeanna Ayla 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket Twitch has a Traktor mapping on the Novation webpage. sums it up pretty well.
Shonda Soulier 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by Saurus Remember that time they released a huge new module, which basically gives us ableton clip launching inside Traktor, and then intentionally prevented us from using it unless we bought their new controller "because they developed the hardware and software so closely"...? It's not a bad point but remember when the S4 was coming out and American Audio released the VMS4 to encroach on their market share? They weren't going to let that happen again with the F1.
Antonetta Wikel 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket I can do a lot more with one WeGo and Traktor than I can with two CDJ-1000's and a DJM-600. > Apparently not, unless you're willing to map it.
Eloy Kiepke 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by ToOntown Dude, take a deep breath. If NI is trying to make bill$$$$$ they WOULD include Traktor with every controller like VDJ. This isn't their business model. Remember that time they released a huge new module, which basically gives us ableton clip launching inside Traktor, and then intentionally prevented us from using it unless we bought their new controller "because they developed the hardware and software so closely"...? Originally Posted by ToOntown I'm quite certain that nobody is going to agree with you here...and it's not because you're so much smarter than us, it's because nobody in their right mind would ever get upset about it. The basic functions of that controller can be mapped in 2 hours. It's not hard. This is by far the weakest shit I've seen in a while. Quit complaining, man. [/quote] However, you're correct here... This guy's crying over the dorkiest thing ever... I could replicate the mapping they're going to offer for it in about 45 minutes.
Shonda Soulier 13.09.2012	Dude, take a deep breath. If NI is trying to make bill$$$$$ they WOULD include Traktor with every controller like VDJ. This isn't their business model. I'm quite certain that nobody is going to agree with you here...and it's not because you're so much smarter than us, it's because nobody in their right mind would ever get upset about it. The basic functions of that controller can be mapped in 2 hours. It's not hard. This is by far the weakest shit I've seen in a while. Quit complaining, man.
Werner Bile 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket Twitch has a Traktor mapping on the Novation webpage. yes, which Novation made for its customers. Pioneer is free to do the same (and apparently they are).
Jerica Salava 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by MWagner Again, how is that NI's fault? Let me understand you, you're purchasing a controller you know was designed for use with a rival company's product, but you want to use it with traktor and you feel NI should be doing more to accommodate the use of controllers specifically designed for use with virtual dj. I'm not unsympathetic to that concept in general, I use a Twitch with Traktor myself, but I fail to see what NI has done wrong. Twitch has a Traktor mapping on the Novation webpage. I get it. NI is trying to make bill$$$$$. I just want more controllers designed for Traktor. The choices are limited and remapping isn't 100% compatible when the controller is designed for other software. (WTF do I do with a sampler button?) >
Jerica Salava 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by Saurus ^ this Is "pioneer wego" a typo....? You're sure you didn't mean to type the name of any other controller ever? if it makes you feel any better, I will call him Baby Ergo. >
Werner Bile 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket if Pioneer is releasing a map in October that's cool. Probably with no help from NI. The controller is designed for Virtual DJ anyway. Everything has to be tweaked for Traktor. > Again, how is that NI's fault? Let me understand you, you're purchasing a controller you know was designed for use with a rival company's product, but you want to use it with traktor and you feel NI should be doing more to accommodate the use of controllers specifically designed for use with virtual dj. I'm not unsympathetic to that concept in general, I use a Twitch with Traktor myself, but I fail to see what NI has done wrong.
Jerica Salava 13.09.2012	For the punks who believe that being a great DJ means how expensive and hip your gear is, here's a little fact for you: I can do a lot more with one WeGo and Traktor than I can with two CDJ-1000's and a DJM-600. >
Celine Surico 13.09.2012	That's how companies work. They need return on their investment.
Jerica Salava 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by MWagner I'm a little confused as to how you being lazy is NI's fault All you guys understand what NI is doing and it sucks. They want to sell their hardware so they are not letting the manufacturers include Traktor LE and/or mappings. I believe it's dumb. i can already see Virtual DJ and Serato DJ Intro paving the way for those manufacturers. I said I would map it if I have to. I just prefer to start with a default mapping and tweak it. I don't need to spend a few hours figuring out the jogwheel settings. if Pioneer is releasing a map in October that's cool. Probably with no help from NI. The controller is designed for Virtual DJ anyway. Everything has to be tweaked for Traktor. And to those making fun of the WeGO. That's fine. My bank account and my house parties will be fine. I've been using a Vestax VCM-100 ($229)for 3 years and going strong. I just want touch sensitive jogwheels and more buttons in an inexpensive compact package. >
Eloy Kiepke 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by oliosky LOL you are buying a pioneer WeGo? ^ this Is "pioneer wego" a typo....? You're sure you didn't mean to type the name of any other controller ever?
Werner Bile 13.09.2012	I'm a little confused as to how you being lazy is NI's fault
Shonda Soulier 13.09.2012	Come on, man. This is weak.
Tera Baragan 13.09.2012	Pioneer! Why u so bad, you have no mapping when i import controller.
Johnetta Olewine 13.09.2012	LOL you are buying a pioneer WeGo?
Matt Kane 13.09.2012	well. if you don
Genoveva Bopp 13.09.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket Maybe I'll have to break out my eye patch again. > There is NO excuse for the eye patch
Rosina Steinkuehler 13.09.2012	Pioneer plans to release a mapping in November if you can wait. Otherwise roll up your sleeves and start mapping!

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