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Syncing Traktor Pro to Ableton 8
Posted on: 17.12.2010 by Ginette Pil
Hi Guys,

I know this has been discussed before, but i would like to try it out since I use both programs and own both a VCI100SE and an APC40.

I downloaded Midi Yoke, but its a bit over my head to be honest...

anyone know the best straight forward way? I'm on the 1 PC.

Thanks
G.
Reece Murray
14.01.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha

It also sounds like you're doing your mixing inside Live with midi. If you are, you're probably going down to just 2 stereo pair out (cue and master). If that's the case and you want to record your set, create a new audio track and set its input as "Resampling." Then record with that. You won't get each individual track, and you won't be able to fix things later, because you're just recording audio
Dorie Scelzo
14.01.2011		Needing to do loop-based DJing is a myth in Live. You can use full tracks just fine, and you don't miss sections. I've done it far too much to believe that.

And you don't need to record every audio track. I believe that's your problem. It sounds like you're recording a full wav (possibly a 24/96 wav depending on how you have Jack configured) for each channel
Reece Murray
14.01.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha

It also sounds like you're doing your mixing inside Live with midi. If you are, you're probably going down to just 2 stereo pair out (cue and master). If that's the case and you want to record your set, create a new audio track and set its input as "Resampling." Then record with that. You won't get each individual track, and you won't be able to fix things later, because you're just recording audio
Dorie Scelzo
14.01.2011		Needing to do loop-based DJing is a myth in Live. You can use full tracks just fine, and you don't miss sections. I've done it far too much to believe that.

And you don't need to record every audio track. I believe that's your problem. It sounds like you're recording a full wav (possibly a 24/96 wav depending on how you have Jack configured) for each channel
Reece Murray
14.01.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha

It also sounds like you're doing your mixing inside Live with midi. If you are, you're probably going down to just 2 stereo pair out (cue and master). If that's the case and you want to record your set, create a new audio track and set its input as "Resampling." Then record with that. You won't get each individual track, and you won't be able to fix things later, because you're just recording audio
Dorie Scelzo
14.01.2011		Needing to do loop-based DJing is a myth in Live. You can use full tracks just fine, and you don't miss sections. I've done it far too much to believe that.

And you don't need to record every audio track. I believe that's your problem. It sounds like you're recording a full wav (possibly a 24/96 wav depending on how you have Jack configured) for each channel
Reece Murray
14.01.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha

It also sounds like you're doing your mixing inside Live with midi. If you are, you're probably going down to just 2 stereo pair out (cue and master). If that's the case and you want to record your set, create a new audio track and set its input as "Resampling." Then record with that. You won't get each individual track, and you won't be able to fix things later, because you're just recording audio
Dorie Scelzo
14.01.2011		Needing to do loop-based DJing is a myth in Live. You can use full tracks just fine, and you don't miss sections. I've done it far too much to believe that.

And you don't need to record every audio track. I believe that's your problem. It sounds like you're recording a full wav (possibly a 24/96 wav depending on how you have Jack configured) for each channel
Reece Murray
14.01.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha

It also sounds like you're doing your mixing inside Live with midi. If you are, you're probably going down to just 2 stereo pair out (cue and master). If that's the case and you want to record your set, create a new audio track and set its input as "Resampling." Then record with that. You won't get each individual track, and you won't be able to fix things later, because you're just recording audio
Dorie Scelzo
14.01.2011		Needing to do loop-based DJing is a myth in Live. You can use full tracks just fine, and you don't miss sections. I've done it far too much to believe that.

And you don't need to record every audio track. I believe that's your problem. It sounds like you're recording a full wav (possibly a 24/96 wav depending on how you have Jack configured) for each channel
Trinidad Taddie
01.10.2012		i dont have virtual output in my dd menu and im running traktor pro not traktor scratch pro
does traktors virtual output only come on scratch?

Originally Posted by dirkd
Hur?

In the following screenshots, do you have these options? If not, what version of Traktor are you running?

http://img843.imageshack.us/i/picture8jt.png

http://img709.imageshack.us/i/picture9mm.png

http://img43.imageshack.us/i/picture10yrk.png
Reece Murray
14.01.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha

It also sounds like you're doing your mixing inside Live with midi. If you are, you're probably going down to just 2 stereo pair out (cue and master). If that's the case and you want to record your set, create a new audio track and set its input as "Resampling." Then record with that. You won't get each individual track, and you won't be able to fix things later, because you're just recording audio
Dorie Scelzo
14.01.2011		Needing to do loop-based DJing is a myth in Live. You can use full tracks just fine, and you don't miss sections. I've done it far too much to believe that.

And you don't need to record every audio track. I believe that's your problem. It sounds like you're recording a full wav (possibly a 24/96 wav depending on how you have Jack configured) for each channel
Neal Rayome
13.01.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha
Also, I'm not exactly sure why you'd want to record like that. I mean
Random X
13.01.2011
Originally Posted by AboveDat!
^^^^MAC ONLY^^^^

@dirkd MAC ONLY

you get the idea macs pwn!


It does.
Dorie Scelzo
13.01.2011		It shouldn't make a difference whether the midi cable is virtual or not
Wai Rofkahr
13.01.2011
Originally Posted by DennisHuiberts

So for live use (not recording) midi-sync works just fine. But when you want to record the drift in clock is a no-go. I can still use the effects in Ableton over the audio coming from Traktor (as long as the bpm in Ableton is manually set to the same value as that of Traktor), but firing clips in sync is not possible. The only solution is to turn quantization off and fire the clips in time yourself (no sync).
That's disappointing if this is the case. I sync'd the two, and I do get a slow "wind up" of the clips sounding like a record player being turned on... although that was when I went from like 127>120 bpm, so I'm sure smaller BPM changes would work better.

Has anyone tried syncing the two w/ an actual midi cable? Any chance it would be better than a virtual cable?
Dorie Scelzo
13.01.2011		Syncing Live to Traktor is easy on Mac, and it seems basically worry free. I'm told that the windows version of Traktor doesn't have virtual MIDI I/O, which might be a problem. On a Mac, it doesn't even take extra software.

A week or two ago, I had them synced at work and listened to the two ticks together for about half an hour waiting for them to drift. I got bored before they did. I wasn't DJing, but I was going about my normal work life. So
Trinidad Taddie
01.10.2012		i dont have virtual output in my dd menu and im running traktor pro not traktor scratch pro
does traktors virtual output only come on scratch?

Originally Posted by dirkd
Hur?

In the following screenshots, do you have these options? If not, what version of Traktor are you running?

http://img843.imageshack.us/i/picture8jt.png

http://img709.imageshack.us/i/picture9mm.png

http://img43.imageshack.us/i/picture10yrk.png
Reece Murray
14.01.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha

It also sounds like you're doing your mixing inside Live with midi. If you are, you're probably going down to just 2 stereo pair out (cue and master). If that's the case and you want to record your set, create a new audio track and set its input as "Resampling." Then record with that. You won't get each individual track, and you won't be able to fix things later, because you're just recording audio
Dorie Scelzo
14.01.2011		Needing to do loop-based DJing is a myth in Live. You can use full tracks just fine, and you don't miss sections. I've done it far too much to believe that.

And you don't need to record every audio track. I believe that's your problem. It sounds like you're recording a full wav (possibly a 24/96 wav depending on how you have Jack configured) for each channel
Neal Rayome
13.01.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha
Also, I'm not exactly sure why you'd want to record like that. I mean
Random X
13.01.2011
Originally Posted by AboveDat!
^^^^MAC ONLY^^^^

@dirkd MAC ONLY

you get the idea macs pwn!


It does.
Dorie Scelzo
13.01.2011		It shouldn't make a difference whether the midi cable is virtual or not
Wai Rofkahr
13.01.2011
Originally Posted by DennisHuiberts

So for live use (not recording) midi-sync works just fine. But when you want to record the drift in clock is a no-go. I can still use the effects in Ableton over the audio coming from Traktor (as long as the bpm in Ableton is manually set to the same value as that of Traktor), but firing clips in sync is not possible. The only solution is to turn quantization off and fire the clips in time yourself (no sync).
That's disappointing if this is the case. I sync'd the two, and I do get a slow "wind up" of the clips sounding like a record player being turned on... although that was when I went from like 127>120 bpm, so I'm sure smaller BPM changes would work better.

Has anyone tried syncing the two w/ an actual midi cable? Any chance it would be better than a virtual cable?
Neal Rayome
13.01.2011		Try syncing Ableton (slave) to Traktor (master) and then record you audio from Traktor in Ableton. Then you will hear what all the fuss is about. Because of the drift in clock Ableton fucks up your audio and causes pitch bends which kind of sound like latency problems (stuttering in audio).

So for live use (not recording) midi-sync works just fine. But when you want to record the drift in clock is a no-go. I can still use the effects in Ableton over the audio coming from Traktor (as long as the bpm in Ableton is manually set to the same value as that of Traktor), but firing clips in sync is not possible. The only solution is to turn quantization off and fire the clips in time yourself (no sync).

If your system is set up so that Ableton is the master and Traktor is the slave, this problem would be solved. But as Mostapha said, Traktor takes ages to sync back to Ableton when the bpm is changed.
Dorie Scelzo
13.01.2011		Syncing Live to Traktor is easy on Mac, and it seems basically worry free. I'm told that the windows version of Traktor doesn't have virtual MIDI I/O, which might be a problem. On a Mac, it doesn't even take extra software.

A week or two ago, I had them synced at work and listened to the two ticks together for about half an hour waiting for them to drift. I got bored before they did. I wasn't DJing, but I was going about my normal work life. So
Matha Obray
12.01.2011		Ive got mine working but ableton will drift a lil. its gonna take some tuning really. Oh and im running a pc
Wai Rofkahr
12.01.2011		Bump!

I just tried syncing the two today with Traktor as the master clock. I got it to sync but Ableton was drifting on me (I haven't messed with the midi clock offset yet, hopefully that will fix it.)

Anyone have video of the two working together in a set?
Reece Murray
17.12.2010		It's not just mac, just use midi ox/ midi yoke to route the clock signal. The concept is the same otherwise. Remember to dial in that midi clock offset in Live, otherwise it'll sound off. If your beatgrids in Traktor are not spot-on or are drifting, it will sound off. If the grids are tight, you should only hear very miniscule drift against Live if any, and it should always be self-correcting every time the Live loop repeats. I sync these programs, and it sounds solid.
Layla Portela
17.12.2010		Apparently as stated this is Mac only, well that sucks for PC users.

And yes I love my Mac
Kandy Ahdoot
17.12.2010		^^^^MAC ONLY^^^^

@dirkd MAC ONLY

you get the idea macs pwn!
Ciara Cuttill
17.12.2010		http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xzld...layer_embedded

Layla Portela
17.12.2010		Hur?

In the following screenshots, do you have these options? If not, what version of Traktor are you running?

http://img843.imageshack.us/i/picture8jt.png

http://img709.imageshack.us/i/picture9mm.png

http://img43.imageshack.us/i/picture10yrk.png
Ginette Pil
17.12.2010		yeah, but "Traktor's virtual output" is not in the drop down menu......??!!
Layla Portela
17.12.2010		Have you used the metronomes in both applications to get them sync'd using the midi sync offset settings in live?

Then I will also say that you CANNOT effectively use traktor and ableton midi sync in any mode except traktor in internal master clock mode. Using timecode is totally out of the question and any mode except locking the master tempo to traktor's internal master clock is a recipe for disaster.

With a totally locked master clock in traktor I have had no problem keeping the two applications sync'd for hours on end.
Teresia Janusch
17.12.2010		but it will drift...thats midi for you.
Kandy Ahdoot
17.12.2010		Live just wont hold a steady clock thats the problem,it drfits so much you end up trying to get it back in sing every 30 seconds as it slightly goes off beat.
Layla Portela
17.12.2010		Is the following not possible?

Go to Traktor's preferences.

Tell it to send a midi clock.

Then go to the midi clock panel and set the clock to int

Hit play to make sure you are sending a clock

Go to Traktor's preferences again and go to controller manager. Make a new controller profile and call it something easy to remember like clock.

As an output set it to Traktor's virtual midi output

Go to Live

Go to preferences

Click on midi sync settings

Have it listen and react to Traktor virtual output

Verify on the main live window that the little box in the corner is flashing to ensure that it is 'hearing' traktor's clock

Click the button marked 'EXT' in live's main window live is now receiving midi clock data from traktor

You will then need to go back into live's midi sync preferences and mess with the offset to make sure the two are in sync.
Kandy Ahdoot
17.12.2010		a straight answer is there aint away.

i have been trying on the pc for the past year and have tryed everything from virtual midi cables,midi boxes,midi over lan you name it i tryed it.

its to do with live 8 it has awful midi clock and just wont stay in sync
this will be fixed no doubt in live 9 (witch should be annoucned at namm in jan)

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