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Speakers Question: EAW old school vs. JBL EON515xt with powered sub

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Speakers Question: EAW old school vs. JBL EON515xt with powered sub Posted on: 07.10.2012 by Williams Queenan Alright so first off, I'm a mobile DJ: weddings, small parties, gym dances and the like. So I'm debating between getting two EAW FR-253s (2 15inch-lows, 2 7inch-mids, horn on top) specs:http://pdfcast.org/pdf/eaw-fr-253-hr. These are powered by ab international 1100 amp, specs:http://www.abamps.com/pdfs/900a-1100...-9420a-man.pdf, that pdf is for the 1100a series which is newer than then 1100 and slightly powerful I believe. All of this gear is about 20 years old, each speaker weighs about 100 lbs. and I have to use a big truck to trasport everything, need two people to setup up etc. Therefore, I am wondering whether or not to get this setup ^^ for around $1500, or instead get two JBL Eons and later upgrade them with the bass box. Will the JBLs even come close to comparing in sound quality? loudness? is the portability worth it? Thanks for any help~DJboudreaux
Erica Charvet 09.10.2012	Originally Posted by HigherFi Edit: Whatever you do, never spit your subs and use them for stands. People do this for esthetic reasons, and that's usually the worst possible place for subs in a given room. They need to be either less than a 1/4 wavelength apart or greater than 2 wavelengths apart for their passband. That's a little under 3 feet or more than 56 feet for your typical operable range. Split em any different, and you will get ~12dB cancellation "power alley" somewhere along the way. Just physics. While technically you're right, this is perfectly acceptable for aesthetic reasons and I do so at all my weddings. You do experience a bit of a power alley, but it's almost always right down the dance floor, right where you want the bass to be. After playing with my setups in countless venues, I've found it's not at all worth clustering subs if aesthetics are important. The key is to bring more than enough bass to not need to worry about any drops in SPL you may experience.
Darren Teboe 08.10.2012	Originally Posted by deevey JBL Eons arent exactly high end either ... Major gaff on my part then if you thought I was suggesting that. Better than mackie and much better than Behringer, but still not as good as a set of EAW's.
Rolanda Clodfelder 08.10.2012	Talking Mackie Thumps, and more so, Behringer in the same thread as EAW is like bringing a ford festiva to a car show filled with classic restored muscle cars. Originally Posted by sobi you forgot completely worthless when looking for high output quality performance. JBL Eons arent exactly high end either ... Portability/Uglyness vs Volume and Quality is really what it will really boil down to and only something the OP can decide. If your on a budget give a serious look at the EV Live X line. Probably the best suggestion so far ... hate the idea of playing without a sub to fill out a room mind you.
Darren Teboe 08.10.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket Those Behringers are more like a Toyota Prius at a muscle car show. Smarter and highly efficient. > you forgot completely worthless when looking for high output quality performance.
Julissa Serrone 08.10.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket Those Behringers are more like a Toyota Prius at a muscle car show. Smarter and highly efficient. > and don't sound anywhere near as good. Agree with SSS...those big boxes would seriously put a damper on an elegantly decorated wedding. HS Dance, Out door events they'd be find. If your on a budget give a serious look at the EV Live X line. I had a pair of thumps for casual playing and the EV's blow them away.
Jerica Salava 08.10.2012	Originally Posted by sobi Talking Mackie Thumps, and more so, Behringer in the same thread as EAW is like bringing a ford festiva to a car show filled with classic restored muscle cars. Those Behringers are more like a Toyota Prius at a muscle car show. Smarter and highly efficient. >
Erica Charvet 07.10.2012	Originally Posted by djboudreaux Haha, that's your only reason? They're a big black box, just like every other speaker, I guess I'll go tell the guy who made half a milli of them that he's hideous. Give me some solid reasoning bro. Weddings put a huge emphasis on appearance. Showing up with those would be totally unprofessional and inappropriate. A high school gym, maybe. But you're still better off keeping your tops and subs seperate instead of combining them inside those bulky, ugly, outdated speakers. Is that solid reasoning... bro?
Erica Charvet 07.10.2012	Originally Posted by djboudreaux May be a dumb question but what would be reasons not too? Because they're hideous...
Erica Charvet 09.10.2012	Originally Posted by HigherFi Edit: Whatever you do, never spit your subs and use them for stands. People do this for esthetic reasons, and that's usually the worst possible place for subs in a given room. They need to be either less than a 1/4 wavelength apart or greater than 2 wavelengths apart for their passband. That's a little under 3 feet or more than 56 feet for your typical operable range. Split em any different, and you will get ~12dB cancellation "power alley" somewhere along the way. Just physics. While technically you're right, this is perfectly acceptable for aesthetic reasons and I do so at all my weddings. You do experience a bit of a power alley, but it's almost always right down the dance floor, right where you want the bass to be. After playing with my setups in countless venues, I've found it's not at all worth clustering subs if aesthetics are important. The key is to bring more than enough bass to not need to worry about any drops in SPL you may experience.
Darren Teboe 09.10.2012	I'd skip the K series consideration. If you really want to go QSC in the end, I'd say save a few more bucks and go with the KW series. It has wood cabs, which are going to give you a better sound than plastic like the K series. Also, there is more power. Don't even get me started on the KW 181 either. I love mine, and I also keep seeing more and more people praise it for being the best sub in it's class (which is probably a tiny bit higher than the K series) by far.
Williams Queenan 08.10.2012	HigherFi, great info to do, thanks alot, I love physics and found that all very interesting. Alright, so now I'm looking at QSC k12 vs evlx 115 vs JBL 515xt, what is your opinion? Which one will be loudest? I checked the specs and the evs are technically louder, I've listened to the JBL and QSC but didn't get variables down enough for a true comparison. Thoughts, comments?
Hang Postman 08.10.2012	qsc?
Darren Teboe 08.10.2012	Originally Posted by deevey JBL Eons arent exactly high end either ... Major gaff on my part then if you thought I was suggesting that. Better than mackie and much better than Behringer, but still not as good as a set of EAW's.
Shan Bauerly 08.10.2012	I own those EONs and they sound very nice. In smallish rooms for background audio, you could certainly forego the sub. Like any setup, having a driverack (or similar) completely changes everything. They are very light and reliable, and look rather nice. I use them for an auxiliary system - ceremonies, 2nd room, et al. Make sure you get covers/cases, as the molded speakers sure get chewed up more than you might expect. I also happen to have have the EV112P. The JBL are somewhat lighter and more durable, even though they are molded. The finish on the 112 is pretty thin. I already re-coated mine and this is only their 2nd season. The 12" in the EV are also marginally better in overall midrange sound quality, but the JBL definitely get lower. Either are FAR happier crossed at 50-60 cycles and EQ'd to the room. To do it again, I'd get the 515XT, just because everything gets so much heavier after midevening . And, I am my own roadie. Edit: Whatever you do, never spit your subs and use them for stands. People do this for esthetic reasons, and that's usually the worst possible place for subs in a given room. They need to be either less than a 1/4 wavelength apart or greater than 2 wavelengths apart for their passband. That's a little under 3 feet or more than 56 feet for your typical operable range. Split em any different, and you will get ~12dB cancellation "power alley" somewhere along the way. Just physics.
Williams Queenan 08.10.2012	Good suggestion guys, it looks like I'm gonna bass up on the huge EAWs and go with two speakers and a sub, then upgrade/build on later. I'll check out beringer, thumps, and the ev line as well. ~thanks for all the input
Rolanda Clodfelder 08.10.2012	Talking Mackie Thumps, and more so, Behringer in the same thread as EAW is like bringing a ford festiva to a car show filled with classic restored muscle cars. Originally Posted by sobi you forgot completely worthless when looking for high output quality performance. JBL Eons arent exactly high end either ... Portability/Uglyness vs Volume and Quality is really what it will really boil down to and only something the OP can decide. If your on a budget give a serious look at the EV Live X line. Probably the best suggestion so far ... hate the idea of playing without a sub to fill out a room mind you.
Darren Teboe 08.10.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket Those Behringers are more like a Toyota Prius at a muscle car show. Smarter and highly efficient. > you forgot completely worthless when looking for high output quality performance.
Julissa Serrone 08.10.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket Those Behringers are more like a Toyota Prius at a muscle car show. Smarter and highly efficient. > and don't sound anywhere near as good. Agree with SSS...those big boxes would seriously put a damper on an elegantly decorated wedding. HS Dance, Out door events they'd be find. If your on a budget give a serious look at the EV Live X line. I had a pair of thumps for casual playing and the EV's blow them away.
Jerica Salava 08.10.2012	Originally Posted by sobi Talking Mackie Thumps, and more so, Behringer in the same thread as EAW is like bringing a ford festiva to a car show filled with classic restored muscle cars. Those Behringers are more like a Toyota Prius at a muscle car show. Smarter and highly efficient. >
Darren Teboe 09.10.2012	Talking Mackie Thumps, and more so, Behringer in the same thread as EAW is like bringing a ford festiva to a car show filled with classic restored muscle cars.
Rolanda Clodfelder 08.10.2012	The Mackie Thump's get good reviews from some of the folks here and are reasonably priced, pair them up with an 18' Powered Sub and you should be pretty good to go, would be well worth adding another sub when you can afford it and would make stacking easier as you can mount them on a pole each side rather than separate stands. In total that should work out around $1200 - 1300. Another option would be Behringer's (which now have a 3 yr warranty) - they sound pretty damn good for the $, every disco bar and hire company around here is using them and haven't from any of the guys that i've asked if any failed yet. Because they're hideous... Paint em' white
Williams Queenan 07.10.2012	Haha, yea bro xD thanks.
Erica Charvet 07.10.2012	Originally Posted by djboudreaux Haha, that's your only reason? They're a big black box, just like every other speaker, I guess I'll go tell the guy who made half a milli of them that he's hideous. Give me some solid reasoning bro. Weddings put a huge emphasis on appearance. Showing up with those would be totally unprofessional and inappropriate. A high school gym, maybe. But you're still better off keeping your tops and subs seperate instead of combining them inside those bulky, ugly, outdated speakers. Is that solid reasoning... bro?
Williams Queenan 07.10.2012	Haha, that's your only reason? They're a big black box, just like every other speaker, I guess I'll go tell the guy who made half a milli of them that he's hideous. Give me some solid reasoning bro.
Erica Charvet 07.10.2012	Originally Posted by djboudreaux May be a dumb question but what would be reasons not too? Because they're hideous...
Williams Queenan 07.10.2012	Hahaha, alright, so I guess I'll rephrase my question. Is there a better option than those EAWs, for filling up a gym with sound for 1500 aprox. dollars.
Rolanda Clodfelder 07.10.2012	Well to give you an example - I used to hire out EON's and EV SX300's ... around the same price to buy, but the SX's used a separate amp. The SX300's could be pushed WAYYYYY louder with much better clarity, but were reserved to being hired to Bands or dj's we knew would fry them. EON's were hired to wannabe DJ's who wouldn't know what a redline meant if it hit them in the face as they had a built in limiter and zero setup talk. Its not all about the watts either - its about efficiency. However - these days there are other similar portable options to EON's, which will give you the volume and affordability to add subs to the setup.
Williams Queenan 07.10.2012	Hmm, alright, ya I've never actually tested out EONs before, some people say their super loud, but those people sound like the ones who are comparing to their ipod dock. . .xD
Rolanda Clodfelder 07.10.2012	The portability might be a no. In every other aspect, I'd always go EAW over JBL. +1 Depends on how loud the band are as well ... if the band is louder than the DJ, the DJ is going to sound really weak. IMHO no way in hell 2xEON's will cut any more than a small room with a low ceiling and thats WITH a sub.
Darren Teboe 07.10.2012	The portability might be a no. In every other aspect, I'd always go EAW over JBL.
Williams Queenan 07.10.2012	So is it looking like a no on the EAWs?
Julissa Serrone 07.10.2012	I'd check out EV Live X series over the EON's any day. You can get two 112P's and a Sub for about 1500 bucks right now and add the other sub later on.
Williams Queenan 08.10.2012	Originally Posted by sss18734 You would seriously consider showing up to a wedding with those EAW's? Eons (or other similar speakers) no doubt. May be a dumb question but what would be reasons not too?
Erica Charvet 08.10.2012	You would seriously consider showing up to a wedding with those EAW's? Eons (or other similar speakers) no doubt.

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