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Is anyone else planning to use the Z2 without turntables or cdjs?
Posted on: 07.11.2012 by Barton Rigazio
So I'm pretty stoked about the new Z2 because it's got everything I need in the most compact form. High quality mixer for EQ's, cues, filters, and some control over the remix decks for some ad-lib drumming.

Planning to use this as my sole standalone controller for Traktor. I like my setup as minimal as possible! Maschine and cdj's will be added down the line, but for now this mixer has everything I need to control Traktor and perform simple A-B mixing (using sync obviously). A simple midi mapping for play/pause and all transport control is on board too.

Stoked!
Albertina Fay
09.11.2012
Originally Posted by oilythread
Do you mean 2.6 lets you delete the default commands, and map in their place?
This is correct.

This is a list of the changes:

- TRAKTOR KONTROL Z2 integration
- 11 new "MacroFX" single-knob combination effects
- "Flux Mode" retains song position during HotCues, Beatjumps, Loops etc.
- Post-Fader mode for FX Units
- Factory Map Override option for individual Controllers in Controller Manager
- New gain system with independent Channel Gain knobs and Auto-Gain knobs
- New "Z ISO" EQ and "Z" filter models as featured on Z2 mixer
- Z ISO EQ is now full kill at the left end of knobs path
- New "QuickSnap" behavior for the EQ and Filter controls
- New Transport Preference prevents Remix Decks from becoming Tempo Masters
- New Transport Preference limits Tempo Master to On-Air Decks to become Tempo Masters
- HID support for Pioneer CDJ 2000nexus (SLIP button is mapped to FLUX mode)
- Minor gain-staging adjustments for Live Input Deck
- Various other fixes and improvements
Janyce Henningson
08.11.2012
Originally Posted by oilythread
I should clarify:

The Z2 runs on HID instead of midi. NI hasn't allowed the ability to custom map HID in Traktor. They pre-program the mappings. So the Z2 will have a few specific pre-determined changes you can make, but you won't be able custom map it.

They might add an additional midi "mode" like they did with the S2/S4/F1 that you could map however you like, but you'd lose all of the features that NI's decided not to let us midi-map, including the colored LEDs, and the numerical readouts.
You can map over default commands now in 2.6 and still use the HID features (S2/S4).
And you've always been able to map the F1 in HID - with all the coloured lights - and the LED readouts.
Kanesha Bredin
08.11.2012
Originally Posted by rukkus
you can press play on the Z2 by pressing shift + rel/intl
My worries are over. I can use the Z2 on its own for probably 30% of the events that I do.
Barton Rigazio
07.11.2012
Originally Posted by ObviousAlias
I plan on using the Z2 as a standalone for some gigs and with my TTs for others. I am planning on adding a Shift-command for Play for Decks A and B, in which case, I have no need to even bring an additional controller to some things. I have a feeling that my standard setup will be the Z2, my Maschine (mapped for Traktor, or maybe controlling Maschine, or maybe both, not sure yet) running to the sound outs (desk, speakers) with my TTs only coming for events where it is really needed.
+1 same here
Deangelo Boender
08.11.2012
1:29 he talks about using the control manager!
Albertina Fay
09.11.2012
Originally Posted by oilythread
Do you mean 2.6 lets you delete the default commands, and map in their place?
This is correct.

This is a list of the changes:

- TRAKTOR KONTROL Z2 integration
- 11 new "MacroFX" single-knob combination effects
- "Flux Mode" retains song position during HotCues, Beatjumps, Loops etc.
- Post-Fader mode for FX Units
- Factory Map Override option for individual Controllers in Controller Manager
- New gain system with independent Channel Gain knobs and Auto-Gain knobs
- New "Z ISO" EQ and "Z" filter models as featured on Z2 mixer
- Z ISO EQ is now full kill at the left end of knobs path
- New "QuickSnap" behavior for the EQ and Filter controls
- New Transport Preference prevents Remix Decks from becoming Tempo Masters
- New Transport Preference limits Tempo Master to On-Air Decks to become Tempo Masters
- HID support for Pioneer CDJ 2000nexus (SLIP button is mapped to FLUX mode)
- Minor gain-staging adjustments for Live Input Deck
- Various other fixes and improvements
Adrien Witkus
08.11.2012		You've always been able to map over the default commands, (with the s2/s4/f1) the native command still executes though, so you have to make contradictory mappings, and those don't work with most controls. Contradictory mappings certainly won't work on any control like a cue point.

This is how you can map the F1 with all the colored lights, like you say. The problem is that the lights and led readouts will still signify what they were originally intended to, you cannot remap them.



Do you mean 2.6 lets you delete the default commands, and map in their place? That would be huge, but I doubt that's the case. That would mean NI built a whole new controller manager module for HID... NI would have made a much bigger deal about that, because it would mean the S4 and S2 are fully mappable now.
Janyce Henningson
08.11.2012
Originally Posted by oilythread
I should clarify:

The Z2 runs on HID instead of midi. NI hasn't allowed the ability to custom map HID in Traktor. They pre-program the mappings. So the Z2 will have a few specific pre-determined changes you can make, but you won't be able custom map it.

They might add an additional midi "mode" like they did with the S2/S4/F1 that you could map however you like, but you'd lose all of the features that NI's decided not to let us midi-map, including the colored LEDs, and the numerical readouts.
You can map over default commands now in 2.6 and still use the HID features (S2/S4).
And you've always been able to map the F1 in HID - with all the coloured lights - and the LED readouts.
Hipolito Scionti
08.11.2012		An x1 would literally take it to the next level tbh.

I love my x1
Leeanna Ayla
08.11.2012		If you like the feel of a real mixer then the Z2 is better than a controller. I use the Z2, F1 and an X1. The F1 is needed for full sample deck control, but you can get the first four rows with the Z2 alone. All that said the T1 has more buttons so you would obviously get more control of Traktor with just it and not have to get an X1. I've never used a T1 so I don't know what exactly can and can't be done with it compared to a Z2.
Kanesha Bredin
08.11.2012
Originally Posted by rukkus
you can press play on the Z2 by pressing shift + rel/intl
My worries are over. I can use the Z2 on its own for probably 30% of the events that I do.
Xenia Gorin
07.11.2012		Yeah but no shift is needed with the T1, lol!
Cassidy Galindez
07.11.2012		you can press play on the Z2 by pressing shift + rel/intl
Nancey Inderlied
07.11.2012		The DJM-T1 definitely fits in better as an "all inclusive" setup, due to it's "X1 attached to a mixer" design, rather than the supplemental essentials design of the Z2.

The T1 is just a better buy all around at it's current price.
Xenia Gorin
07.11.2012		Would the Pioneer be a better fit as it has transport control and can do pretty much everything the Z can. There also around the same price.
Barton Rigazio
07.11.2012
Originally Posted by ObviousAlias
I plan on using the Z2 as a standalone for some gigs and with my TTs for others. I am planning on adding a Shift-command for Play for Decks A and B, in which case, I have no need to even bring an additional controller to some things. I have a feeling that my standard setup will be the Z2, my Maschine (mapped for Traktor, or maybe controlling Maschine, or maybe both, not sure yet) running to the sound outs (desk, speakers) with my TTs only coming for events where it is really needed.
+1 same here
Kanesha Bredin
07.11.2012		I plan on using the Z2 as a standalone for some gigs and with my TTs for others. I do use my Maschine as a controller for Traktor, and unless you can do some re-mapping of the Z2, I imagine that I will continue to need to bring the Maschine as it has been mapped with play/pause, which seems to be absent from the standard Z2 layout.
Rosina Steinkuehler
07.11.2012		Yeah - "Factory Map Override option for individual Controllers in Controller Manager". http://djworx.com/traktor-pro-2-6-hi...ets-whats-new/

Not exactly sure how it works just yet - i have been trolling the controller manager and its not obvious.
Adrien Witkus
07.11.2012		are you sure...? That would be VERY surprising. NI would have made a really big deal about adding HID mapping to traktor 2.6
Rosina Steinkuehler
07.11.2012		There is a new override feature in 2.6 where I believe you can map the z2 however you like. I just got mine last evening and haven't had a lot of time with it but I'll see how that works toevening and post back.
Adrien Witkus
07.11.2012		Honestly, from what you said, I believe you'd be much better-served by any controller with a mixer, or any hardware mixer, and either one or two Midi fighter 3D's. I say this because you want remix deck control and track deck control, and you can only do one or the other of those with an F1 for the most part.
The MF3D is the only other controller that has remix deck control, currently, and you can map other layers to control track decks.
Barton Rigazio
07.11.2012		Nice discussion. Good things to know!
Adrien Witkus
07.11.2012		sorry homie. I also edited it since that quote so that it makes a bit more sense.
Jenna Skeem
07.11.2012
Originally Posted by oilythread
Neither can I, but you still won't be able to because NI won't let you.

Although I should clarify:

The Z2 runs on HID instead of midi. NI hasn't added the ability to map HID in Traktor. So the Z2 will have a few specific pre-determined changes you can make, but you won't be able custom map it.


They might add an additional midi "mode" like they did with the S2/S4/F1 that you could map however you like, but you'd lose all of the features that NI's decided not to us you midi-map, including the colored LEDs, and the numerical readouts.
you said what i was believeing but alot better than i did
Adrien Witkus
07.11.2012		I should clarify:

The Z2 runs on HID instead of midi. NI hasn't allowed the ability to custom map HID in Traktor. They pre-program the mappings. So the Z2 will have a few specific pre-determined changes you can make, but you won't be able custom map it.

They might add an additional midi "mode" like they did with the S2/S4/F1 that you could map however you like, but you'd lose all of the features that NI's decided not to let us midi-map, including the colored LEDs, and the numerical readouts.
Jenna Skeem
07.11.2012		Will more than likely be like the X1 and F1 where the standard mapping is like HID while it is midi mappable
Jeffrey Akinsanya
07.11.2012
Originally Posted by oilythread
That will almost definitely not be possible. I'd be very surprised if the Z2 supported custom mapping like that.

This is Native Instruments, you can't just assume that you could do something logical like map your their own hardware inside their own software.....
correct me if im wrong but i believe it is a feature of the z2 to be able to mix internally AKA via midi... i cant see why you cant change the map?
Adrien Witkus
07.11.2012		That will almost definitely not be possible. I'd be very surprised if the Z2 supported custom mapping like that.

This is Native Instruments, you can't just assume that you could do something logical like map your their own hardware inside their own software.....
Jeffrey Akinsanya
07.11.2012		s4 mite be a better buy..

but you do say your getting cdj's but if you dont i believe you wont get the most of the mixer as you'll be mixing internally only.. which means you may as well just get a controller
Khadijah Bucker
07.11.2012		i couldnt get on with just a mixer, but then i dont use sync

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