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Posted on: 01.12.2012 by Freida Leash
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I'm really trying hard to wrap my head around the fees Germany is trying to enforce in the evening clubs. Can someone closer to the source give me an idea of why the form of media being played changes the royalties? I'm kind of baffled at what has been happening this year with rights management and club fees. I'm even more confused is if this applies to artists using the computer to perform a live set from stems they produced or just DJ sets?
Teresia Janusch
02.12.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
The UK is even worse as that kind of nonsense is already enforced here.
Yeah, the Pro Dub Licence, which is totally unfit for purpose. I have one, but there is no active enforcement...i know this as i sent them the names and clubs they play of a few DJs who were openly using cracked software and low quality illegal mp3s via email and their response was 'Can you give us their addresses and telephone numbers?'...its a total joke. And in the two years ive had the license, the MCPS/PRS have NEVER asked me for a list of tracks.

Originally Posted by rdale
I can't figure out where "white label" and "dub plate" even fits in to this paradigm of royalties. Even more so with digital I get some interesting things that aren't in shops, of either physical or digital media. That doesn't mean that ASCAP and BMI hasn't been registered for the tune, but in physical media it was sometimes harder to trace the artist and title of the track. If it is a complete bootleg remix of a tune with for promo use only, how does that fit into their payment scheme? I'm just kind of lost in where any of this makes sense, unless it is a subtle way to wage warfare on club culture.
I know in the days of proper whitelabel records, if the press run was under 10k, they didnt give a shit.
Freida Leash
01.12.2012
http://www.mixmag.net/words/news/gem...rge-to-dj-sets

I'm really trying hard to wrap my head around the fees Germany is trying to enforce in the evening clubs. Can someone closer to the source give me an idea of why the form of media being played changes the royalties? I'm kind of baffled at what has been happening this year with rights management and club fees. I'm even more confused is if this applies to artists using the computer to perform a live set from stems they produced or just DJ sets?
Teresia Janusch
02.12.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
The UK is even worse as that kind of nonsense is already enforced here.
Yeah, the Pro Dub Licence, which is totally unfit for purpose. I have one, but there is no active enforcement...i know this as i sent them the names and clubs they play of a few DJs who were openly using cracked software and low quality illegal mp3s via email and their response was 'Can you give us their addresses and telephone numbers?'...its a total joke. And in the two years ive had the license, the MCPS/PRS have NEVER asked me for a list of tracks.

Originally Posted by rdale
I can't figure out where "white label" and "dub plate" even fits in to this paradigm of royalties. Even more so with digital I get some interesting things that aren't in shops, of either physical or digital media. That doesn't mean that ASCAP and BMI hasn't been registered for the tune, but in physical media it was sometimes harder to trace the artist and title of the track. If it is a complete bootleg remix of a tune with for promo use only, how does that fit into their payment scheme? I'm just kind of lost in where any of this makes sense, unless it is a subtle way to wage warfare on club culture.
I know in the days of proper whitelabel records, if the press run was under 10k, they didnt give a shit.
Rebbecca Fennell
02.12.2012
copyright lawyers are bullshit extortionists
Rolanda Clodfelder
02.12.2012
I can't figure out where "white label" and "dub plate" even fits in to this paradigm of royalties. Even more so with digital I get some interesting things that aren't in shops, of either physical or digital media. That doesn't mean that ASCAP and BMI hasn't been registered for the tune, but in physical media it was sometimes harder to trace the artist and title of the track. If it is a complete bootleg remix of a tune with for promo use only, how does that fit into their payment scheme? I'm just kind of lost in where any of this makes sense, unless it is a subtle way to wage warfare on club culture.
They don't fit in at all if its anything like the Irish IRMA/IMRO Model. In whch case You register, you get airtime on radio/tv and only then you can collect.

For the Underground/No Radio or TV Airtime Producer you get just about zero ... my sisters was registered and they got a check after 2 years for 3 euro CENT.

There was also a pretty long drawn out court battle with a club owner Vs Irish Music Rights Orgainization in relation to playing Underground Non-Released music in his club which fell eventually fell its Arse.

So where is comes to Bootlegs, unreleased Tracks, or artist who are not registered with them its basically free money.

The difference with the irish model (so far) is there is a set fee for every venue (or office even where music is audible to the public !) to pay per year based on foot traffic.
Tera Baragan
01.12.2012
Lol well that doesn't make sense whatsoever. Most people have already payed for the rights to play said song or it was a free dl..?

This wouldn't fly in Canada
Cole Maroto
01.12.2012
how long before riaa tries this crap here in the states? cause you know, suing people who pirated 10 songs for millions of dollars just isn't enough.

so let's get this straight...the songs are usually already purchased by the dj (or obtained by legit means), the club is already paying their fees for music to be played (which apparently also just increased), and now a dj is going to be directly charged royalties for each song played (and even more money if the song is played over 5 mins - what is this some kind of phone sex charging plan?), but only if they are playing from a laptop? that is completely bonkers!
Ok Moroski
01.12.2012
Just wait until they start putting mics in our cars to start charging us for singing along to our tunes.
Freida Leash
01.12.2012
I can't figure out where "white label" and "dub plate" even fits in to this paradigm of royalties. Even more so with digital I get some interesting things that aren't in shops, of either physical or digital media. That doesn't mean that ASCAP and BMI hasn't been registered for the tune, but in physical media it was sometimes harder to trace the artist and title of the track. If it is a complete bootleg remix of a tune with for promo use only, how does that fit into their payment scheme? I'm just kind of lost in where any of this makes sense, unless it is a subtle way to wage warfare on club culture.
Rolanda Clodfelder
01.12.2012
From the sounds of it you'd need to keep a playlist of every track you actually played ...

Bloody ridiculous, music was paid for, or in many cases given to the DJ as promotional material, the venues are already paying a fee, and now they want a slice of "airtime" as well :-O

I would LOVE to see the ACTUAL figures of how much goes to the artists who's track you played versus "administration" fees being pocketed by the agency in question.

Come to believe of it I'd like to see the same for every fecking charity on the planet as well... these music agencies all set THEMSELVES up from what I understand as a governing body.
Rosina Steinkuehler
02.12.2012
So how does that work - the enforcers randomly show up at clubs and search your computer to see how many audio tracks you have stored?
Lina Rawie
02.12.2012
The UK is even worse as that kind of nonsense is already enforced here.
Tatum Ansaldo
01.12.2012
How very Stone Age.

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