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Considering buying a MF Pro, but concerned about lack of mapping updates. Posted on: 27.11.2012 by Valery Ellick I'm considering jumping on the sale and picking up a MF Pro. I'm still a mapping n00b, so I must rely on the gurus for my mappings. With DJTT mappings usually being a one and done, I'm concerned about the mappings not keeping up with the Traktor updates. Is anyone successfully running Traktor 2.6 and a MF Pro? | |
| Dick Korus 30.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
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| Valery Ellick 30.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
I'm not asking for handouts. I'm fully capable of tweaking mappings, but I'm no guru. I'm not asking for anything they haven't already offered. It would be different if every mapping didn't come with the unkept promise of 'updates'. At the least, bug fixes would be nice. Especially for their own controllers. |
| Dick Korus 30.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
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| Valery Ellick 30.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by dubyou
As for the MF Classic update...Ean told me about it...it'll definitely be worth the wait for people torn between the Classic and 3D. While we're on the subject, feel free to vote for my article request for more DJTT mapping updates: Let's see some mapping updates |
| Valery Ellick 27.11.2012 | I'm considering jumping on the sale and picking up a MF Pro. I'm still a mapping n00b, so I must rely on the gurus for my mappings. With DJTT mappings usually being a one and done, I'm concerned about the mappings not keeping up with the Traktor updates. Is anyone successfully running Traktor 2.6 and a MF Pro? |
| Brunilda Kora 03.12.2012 | I believe in the time you took writing that post you could have learned something about mapping. Study mapping for 10mins a day and in a week you'll be making your own. |
| Valery Ellick 03.12.2012 | When people decide to buy a MF, they see the videos, threads, adverts of how it's 'supposed' to work. Unfortunately, even if the mapping was stable when the video was made, that's not necessarily the case any more (because of updates to Traktor). Instead- they get their brand new MF home, hook it up to the latest version of Traktor, and it doesn't end up working as advertised. People are left feeling slighted. We can't necessarily expect DJTT to come up with (and support) those crazy complicated all-in-one mappings that will fold your laundry and give you a reach-around while firing off a 12 FX supercombo like the gurus on here. However, people should at least get the basic functionality of the product as advertised....without having to do hours of research to make it work. Before I get flamed, I am NOT dogging DJTT. What they're doing for the scene/industry is unparalleled. No one else is advancing the technology side of EDM like these guys. They are responsible for thousands of DJ's making a paycheck doing what they love and big part of the reason companies like NI and Ableton are making $$. Not to mention all of the vinyl heads being re-inspired (myself included) to progress their craft well beyond was what possible 5-10yrs ago. I just believe they need to take a step back and either stop promising to fully support/update their 'way cool' mappings, or start living up to those promises....even if that means charging people for them. |
| Marion Reily 02.12.2012 | That being said, I'm a newbie to DJTT but not a newbie to music creation/production. I produce music (my DJing days are over), and I was attracted by the Midi Fighters when I stumbled upon them, online. For those who are full time DJs, or make a living doing it, I believe it's awesome (and probably necessary) to work at, learn, and perfect the art of mapping. THose of us who do this as a hobby, or recreationally, might want the support of pre-made mappings, prior to trying it on their own. |
| Marion Reily 02.12.2012 | Looking at things from a business standpoint, I can sort of see both sides of this. DJTT should be making good on updating mappings on some sort of 'reasonable' schedule. Good products become known for the organizations that make them, as well as the 'support' and experience that is given for those products. On the flip side I do see how you can keep things moving (from a business) standpoint) by hyping your new products and influencing users to purchase them, etc. |
| Kellie Myrum 02.12.2012 | Can't wait to see what will be in the new mapping that are DJTT mappers cooking for newborn MF. I'm frequently on stepping up instant gratification effects mapping myself combined with new macro effects that I'll provide for new toy that's on my way. I'll share those mappings for free once they're all done. In fact, I put a lot of time to update IGz and already got three versions keeping the masher row and adding other effects and supercombos to it. I agree with Patch - people should get more in to mappings and suit them to their own workflow and stop waiting for them to fall of the sky. |
| Dick Korus 30.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
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| Valery Ellick 30.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
I'm not asking for handouts. I'm fully capable of tweaking mappings, but I'm no guru. I'm not asking for anything they haven't already offered. It would be different if every mapping didn't come with the unkept promise of 'updates'. At the least, bug fixes would be nice. Especially for their own controllers. |
| Brunilda Kora 30.11.2012 | Sorry mate - but not learning to create mappings is just lazy. It's a fundamental skill, that you should be WILLING to invest significant time in learning. Pre-made mappings are just to give certain controllers out of the box usability. The cost of the gear is irrelevant. The mappings are intended as starting points, and should be expanded on by the user base, not the suppliers. Get into the mappings and learn how they work, then expand them to do what YOU want to be able to do - not what the pre-made mappings limit you to being able to do. |
| Dick Korus 30.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
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| Brunilda Kora 30.11.2012 | This thread makes me sick. LEARN TO MAKE YOUR OWN MAPPINGS. Using pre-made mappings is the DJ'ing/performance equivalent of painting by numbers. Invest some time in your art, and learn some BASICS. Mappings are not hard to create. |
| Valery Ellick 30.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by dubyou
As for the MF Classic update...Ean told me about it...it'll definitely be worth the wait for people torn between the Classic and 3D. While we're on the subject, feel free to vote for my article request for more DJTT mapping updates: Let's see some mapping updates |
| Dick Korus 30.11.2012 | I'm very upset with the subject, the "somewhat new" Vci 400 ege has been a complete letdown to me, after giving it much thought I will be selling my djtt controllers, and purchasing a z2. I will however be purchasing the 3d. The thing is, even though I have posted up top, ( ill answer my own question), they probably lack updates so that the new controllers can be desired, such as the 3d over the mf pro now, or so that you would have to use both. So to conclude this second rant on the subject, I'd recommend the 3d or waiting for the newest addition to the mf line of controllers. I'm not complaining about the site in any way and love the community, and the blog, but the controllers are to make money and they will make money in any way they can, just as every other product on the planet is. The new one should be a cheaper controller with the same functionality as the classic, just upgraded. I believe that they will be good priced and be the new attention whores of djtt controllers. I'd wait for them in my opinion. |
| Frederic Acidera 30.11.2012 | I agree, with you guys. For what I read in other threads many users feel a bit forgotten in terms of mappings and new features. I can understand that it's certainly hard to keep reinventing their own products. However, the innovating part of a "boutique" controller and the idea of constant development, updates, and support, is one the reasons why someone would choose a MF Pro over an APC 40, or launchpad, for example. Besides the support to a company that invest so much on the DJ culture and gives back so much free knowledge. The DJTT mappings are unreal, and that makes your money worth. But we all would like to see more updates as much as new products. As a customer I want that the product I bought a little over a year ago, will be working without bugs in the new versions of Traktor. PS> I love my MF Beatmasher Pro--although it freaks out for a while after going to Ableton mode and then coming back to traktor mode. I usually have to reflash it with factory settings. |
| Sarai Suchman 28.11.2012 | Yeah, I feel yah. More and more these days im finding that DJTT gear is just gimmicks...with little fuctionality in their products. Honestly looking back at it now...i probably would have never bought a Midifighter PRO and just remapped what they created onto a different midi controller. It has been over a year with 2 traktor updates, and still no updated mappings. The Whole reason a lot of the people bought the Midifighter was because of the Mapping...not the controller itself. |
| Dick Korus 26.11.2012 | I'm concerned about this subject too, as new controllers come out, the "old ones" receive little to no updates whatsoever. I'm considering a 3d because beau bryte will be updating his mapping on a consistent basis I'm sure, all of his mappings are always up to date. I'm a little upset about my Vci 400 se purchase, there has been exactly ONE update since April and even it was a bit too soon due to the v2 update being buggy and only available for PC. But as I rant, +1 to this question! |
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