I NEED OPINIONS!!! Traktor kontrol S4 vs the new pioneer DDJ-SX

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I NEED OPINIONS!!! Traktor kontrol S4 vs the new pioneer DDJ-SX
Posted on: 30.10.2012 by Shaunta Hute
As we all know serato dj is being released Nov. 1st. I was just about to buy a traktor S4 but then i heard about the DDJ SX. I just wanted to get a second opinion on this, because im currently sold on the DDJ SX. I don't mind switching to Serato as im not really an effects guy, I just do simple mixing (old school way) and use cue points. But i also heard about izoptope effects being integrated into the new Serato software, so thats a plus. Price and the size of the controller doesn't matter for me either.So what are you opinions??? let me know.

PS. I am still a novice dj, been doing it properly for almost a year. I currently use a VSM4 mapped to traktor pro 2. I do small house party gigs, nothing big but i produce my own tracks aswell. I usually mix house tracks, sometimes hip hop, pop, trance, dubstep etc. depending on the audience.
Dorie Scelzo
08.01.2013
Originally Posted by sss18734
Traktor can do everything SDJ can and much more.
In my book, that's cut and dry "better."
I tend to prefer avoiding needless complexity. SSL is also better about auto-gain and levels in general, since NI (in all of their software) hides so many details that you're always kind of guessing.
Erica Charvet
30.12.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
That depends on a lot more than just preference. If what you're doing is closer to traditional turntable DJing–the way the vast majority of people play–then there isn't that much of a difference between them other than aesthetics.

But Serato software does have some advantages, mostly in terms of library management. And it's automatic tempo detection is better IME, if you're into that thing.

It's definitely not as clear-cut as "Traktor is better".
Traktor can do everything SDJ can and much more.
In my book, that's cut and dry "better."

If one don't use all those features (you're right - most dont), that's their prerogative, but Traktor is a more advanced piece of software.

No one should ever rely on auto tempo detect on either software, although I've had great experience with Traktor's engine. But until they get it 100% right every time, it's really useless as anything other than a guide. I can't say I've looked much into Serato library management, but I've never really needed to do anything other than set up a library and make playlists.
Dorie Scelzo
31.12.2012
Originally Posted by sss18734
Software-wise, Traktor blows Serato DJ out of the water (personal preferences aside).
That depends on a lot more than just preference. If what you're doing is closer to traditional turntable DJing–the way the vast majority of people play–then there isn't that much of a difference between them other than aesthetics.

But Serato software does have some advantages, mostly in terms of library management. And it's automatic tempo detection is better IME, if you're into that thing.

It's definitely not as clear-cut as "Traktor is better".
Tera Baragan
29.12.2012
Originally Posted by antifmradio
here is what you do

place them both at one end of a room
you walk to the opposite end of the room

and say "Here midi midi midi, come here little midi midi"

Which ever one comes to you, is the one you buy

the other one, can go back to the pound
Im definitely gonna go try this out
Lashawn Maycock
01.11.2012
Originally Posted by fitzyp
Only referring to the hardware. It wasn't Traktor Vs Serato he was asking. The new technology has better ways to manipulate both softwares. This thread IMO is like a Iphone 2 vs Iphone5, which is better?
Indeed, I understand its not a Traktor v serato discussion, I believe we're sort of in agreement but at different angles. I'm just suggesting that the both sets of hardware can suitably manipulate the latest software with the end result being the same, the implementation may differ and be slicker I agree. I wouldn't use ip2 and ip5 as comparison though, that's mainly down to processing etc, which is taken care of via laptop in the djing controller instance we're taking about here.

Have gd wend all.
Dorie Scelzo
08.01.2013
Originally Posted by sss18734
Traktor can do everything SDJ can and much more.
In my book, that's cut and dry "better."
I tend to prefer avoiding needless complexity. SSL is also better about auto-gain and levels in general, since NI (in all of their software) hides so many details that you're always kind of guessing.
Erica Charvet
30.12.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
That depends on a lot more than just preference. If what you're doing is closer to traditional turntable DJing–the way the vast majority of people play–then there isn't that much of a difference between them other than aesthetics.

But Serato software does have some advantages, mostly in terms of library management. And it's automatic tempo detection is better IME, if you're into that thing.

It's definitely not as clear-cut as "Traktor is better".
Traktor can do everything SDJ can and much more.
In my book, that's cut and dry "better."

If one don't use all those features (you're right - most dont), that's their prerogative, but Traktor is a more advanced piece of software.

No one should ever rely on auto tempo detect on either software, although I've had great experience with Traktor's engine. But until they get it 100% right every time, it's really useless as anything other than a guide. I can't say I've looked much into Serato library management, but I've never really needed to do anything other than set up a library and make playlists.
Dorie Scelzo
31.12.2012
Originally Posted by sss18734
Software-wise, Traktor blows Serato DJ out of the water (personal preferences aside).
That depends on a lot more than just preference. If what you're doing is closer to traditional turntable DJing–the way the vast majority of people play–then there isn't that much of a difference between them other than aesthetics.

But Serato software does have some advantages, mostly in terms of library management. And it's automatic tempo detection is better IME, if you're into that thing.

It's definitely not as clear-cut as "Traktor is better".
Erica Charvet
30.12.2012		Here's the scoop:

Hardware-wise, the new pioneer SX blows the S4 out of the water, as long as you don't care about timecode. I am so jealous of this controller.

Software-wise, Traktor blows Serato DJ out of the water (personal preferences aside). If Traktor supported the DDJ-SX natively, I would already own one.
Tera Baragan
29.12.2012
Originally Posted by antifmradio
here is what you do

place them both at one end of a room
you walk to the opposite end of the room

and say "Here midi midi midi, come here little midi midi"

Which ever one comes to you, is the one you buy

the other one, can go back to the pound
Im definitely gonna go try this out
Dorie Scelzo
29.12.2012		I haven't used the S4 as extensively, but I've dicked around with it in GC. And IMHO, the DDJ-SX is better, so long as you don't want to use it with DVS.

But I also prefer Serato software, so that helps. Mostly, the difference is in the platters…they feel better than just about any "platter" out there that isn't a record.
Libbie Orion
30.12.2012		here is what you do

place them both at one end of a room
you walk to the opposite end of the room

and say "Here midi midi midi, come here little midi midi"

Which ever one comes to you, is the one you buy

the other one, can go back to the pound
Tonita Rasool
23.11.2012		I would definitely go for the Pioneer, it is newer technology, it has some really neat features like the slicer and the touchpads, and ofcourse, it is made by Pioneer so it got to be really good
Taryn Banger
23.11.2012		only problem i have had with my S4 is that a drunk patron spilt beer on my volume faders...... Broke the rules and broke my controller..... if the volume faders are easy to replace on the Pioneer then i might give it a try.... Although the effects that Itch had were junk and I have yet to see a video of the new Serato Dj effects..... Traktors effects arent great but you have options..... I also use a MF3D and F1 and i cant complain.... i just wish the S4 was easier to clean and customize....
Lashawn Maycock
01.11.2012
Originally Posted by fitzyp
Only referring to the hardware. It wasn't Traktor Vs Serato he was asking. The new technology has better ways to manipulate both softwares. This thread IMO is like a Iphone 2 vs Iphone5, which is better?
Indeed, I understand its not a Traktor v serato discussion, I believe we're sort of in agreement but at different angles. I'm just suggesting that the both sets of hardware can suitably manipulate the latest software with the end result being the same, the implementation may differ and be slicker I agree. I wouldn't use ip2 and ip5 as comparison though, that's mainly down to processing etc, which is taken care of via laptop in the djing controller instance we're taking about here.

Have gd wend all.
Ok Moroski
01.11.2012		The SX looks amazing and if it's as good as it looks - it should blow the s4 out of the water. That said, it's more expensive and... SERATO. They may have prettied up Itch and renamed it, but it's still very much Serato's red-headed stepchild; they don't seem to put nearly the fit and finish into it as they do with SSL, and SSL is lacking at that. Or you could save yourself rebuying and go external already
Breanne Penge
02.11.2012		Good choice. The 3 guys I know who have bought s4's have all broken them or had to have em sent back for repair.

Fingers crossed the SX holds up for you.
Janyce Henningson
02.11.2012
Originally Posted by NewManSoon
My order is ready for pickup (DDJ SX), and I only have few concerns that I can't wait to test out.

1) Jog integration with the software - I hope it is damn tight as the S2/S4 is with Traktor.
2) The static technology used for the jog - hope it isn't crap if your hands are moist in the slightest - I sweat like a mofo sometimes.
3) The software does not completely suck.

Other than that (for the most part) I believe I am prepared for what Pioneer has created. If I don't like it, I will sell it
1: It won't be - the S2/S4 use a different system to talk to Traktor.
2: Dirty boy...
3: I believe the new Serato software looks very good, I liked Itch and it just seems a big improvement
Rocco Fiveash
01.11.2012		My order is ready for pickup (DDJ SX), and I only have few concerns that I can't wait to test out.

1) Jog integration with the software - I hope it is damn tight as the S2/S4 is with Traktor.
2) The static technology used for the jog - hope it isn't crap if your hands are moist in the slightest - I sweat like a mofo sometimes.
3) The software does not completely suck.

Other than that (for the most part) I believe I am prepared for what Pioneer has created. If I don't like it, I will sell it
Ned Somerset
01.11.2012		Why not just spend the extra money and get the newest product. Its not like the S4 has an awesome track record.
Ned Somerset
01.11.2012
Originally Posted by backtothefront
Care to expand upon that statement? Both manipulate current, up to date software which allow you to play exactly the same audio files, so what you've said makes no sense. If you are refering to the mechanical interface, then there is an element for debate I agree, although the end result is the same.
Only referring to the hardware. It wasn't Traktor Vs Serato he was asking. The new technology has better ways to manipulate both softwares. This thread IMO is like a Iphone 2 vs Iphone5, which is better?
Lashawn Maycock
01.11.2012
Originally Posted by fitzyp
Three year old technology vs new technology. Can't really put them up against each other.
Care to expand upon that statement? Both manipulate current, up to date software which allow you to play exactly the same audio files, so what you've said makes no sense. If you are refering to the mechanical interface, then there is an element for debate I agree, although the end result is the same.
Shaunta Hute
31.10.2012		FINALLY!!! its not much, but its somthing!!
Ned Somerset
31.10.2012		Three year old technology vs new technology. Can't really put them up against each other.
Janyce Henningson
31.10.2012		The job wheels are great
Shaunta Hute
31.10.2012
Originally Posted by Bears'N'Backpacks
The s4 is amazing. Everyone loves it for a reason. Do yourself a favor and pick the s4!
Can you expand on that more, what can the S4 do that the T1 can't, i know it has better job wheels. They look like they can do pretty much the same thing. What makes the s4 so amazing?
Nedra Cheff
31.10.2012
Originally Posted by zimfella
The standalone mixer with the pioneer does it for me. Very handy.
^^This

But until we get a good look at Serato's new software, or see how well (or not) the SX can control Traktor, I would wait a few weeks before choosing.

(That said im tempted to go SX just for the looks!)
Dinorah Breeding
31.10.2012		I have the S1, had the S4 and an F1 with Scratch, and still have a MF3d. The S1 was awesome. Pioneer nailed their first controller and can't wait to see what happens with this one

I really really want MF3d to play well with DJ. Please
Ashanti Andreacchio
31.10.2012		I'm also a VMS4 user and have ordered the DDJ SX.
The only ting about S4 that might be better is the jog wheel is better intergrated to Traktor and I personaly like better a knob to set lenght of loops with. The DDJ SX is a standalon mixer witch I as a VMS user ca't live without. It has larger buttons for almost everything, touch strip, Talkover and if your not a scratch DJ it would do much better as a traktor controller the the S4. I will be mapping it to Traktor so if I don't like the Serato DJ it gets a traktor sticker on it
Hanna Ridenbaugh
31.10.2012		The standalone mixer with the pioneer does it for me. Very handy.
Janyce Henningson
31.10.2012		Pioneer looks better
Maxwell Zubke
31.10.2012		The s4 is amazing. Everyone loves it for a reason. Do yourself a favor and pick the s4!
Tera Baragan
31.10.2012
Originally Posted by jaykeen
its selling at guitar center for 1000, but with my discount i can get it for 800 and the s4 for 650
They lowered it then there review. I would say pioneers would be better as it has the drum pads!
Shaunta Hute
31.10.2012
Originally Posted by AllDay
s4 is 800 the ddj is 1200..
its selling at guitar center for 1000, but with my discount i can get it for 800 and the s4 for 650
Tera Baragan
31.10.2012		s4 is 800 the ddj is 1200..

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