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Amazon's AutoRip Posted on: 12.01.2013 by Caridad Fan http://www.amazon.com/b/?node=5946775011 So this solution seems to me pretty neat! But I have some questions regarding this. First: - Is it legal to mix with these songs? Second: - What about future buys? Anyone knows? Let's take for instance Rock. It's pretty easier to get CDs then mp3s!
Caridad Fan 15.01.2013	Originally Posted by xs2man Papers for your music? Yes. What is the word... Some kind of invoices? Well they may access your traktor list and you have to have with you at all times the "papers". At least here in Portugal is that way. Of course they won't see every single music but they may also request you to go to the police station the next day to prove that songs were payed for.
Ngoc Ninow 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by squidot seriously, how could they even begin to prove this kind of stuff? do you have to have all your beatport receipts to show them? what about music producers that give away songs for free on their soundcloud, bandcamp, or websites? I agree, it sound a ridiculous, it's very difficult to prove. When you look at you beatport purchases in iTunes, in the comments section it says "purchased at beatport.com", but the the comments are editable anyway! Seems a but daft to me! What about the issue of downloading an mp3 from beatport, for example, and then burning this to a CD? Surely this is the same but the other way around????
Cole Maroto 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma Crazy innit? What sort of "papers" do you have anyway? seriously, how could they even begin to prove this kind of stuff? do you have to have all your beatport receipts to show them? what about music producers that give away songs for free on their soundcloud, bandcamp, or websites?
Lina Rawie 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by xs2man Papers for your music? Crazy innit? What sort of "papers" do you have anyway?
Caridad Fan 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by D-Kem So you're in the middle of a set and someone wants to check your file formats, software licences etc? That's ridiculous. Yep they arrive to the club like 1h before they do anything and take attention to what you're doing. After that hour they go to the booth and say "don't mind about us, we're just going to take a look around, continue your gig and please whenever you can show us the papers for your music". I believe that they don't really really really care about the software and if you have like... half the music with licenses they "close their eyes" but it depends on their mood.
Lauretta Ehrhorn 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by Joel Santos It would be nice to ignore around here but those guys have like... 50% of chances of catching you on a gig. They're really really going to the clubs and inspecting everything! So you're in the middle of a set and someone wants to check your file formats, software licences etc? That's ridiculous.
Caridad Fan 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by xs2man Where is the problem then? Storage is cheap, and WAV's are better quality anyway? they also need more processing from the computer. so it really depends on the computer you have and the storage you have of course. if you're having the computer only for djing that is great but not everyone has but yes i'm with you. just making the devil's point.
Tamela Batara 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by Joel Santos Here is the problem with ripping: it's illegal to use the ripped versions. At least on Portugal this is the case. You can use the .WAV from the audio CD but you can't convert the track to any kind of extension. You have to use the track unmodified in any way. Where is the problem then? Storage is cheap, and WAV's are better quality anyway?
Caridad Fan 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma This isn't an iTunes Match equivalent. Amazon's cloud player has had that for months and works with FLAC, Ogg Vorbis etc. files as well as just MP3s. This gives you free MP3 versions of any CDs that you buy from Amazon, which saves you having to rip them. From what I understand it just doesn't save you from that but from the legality issues of doing it!
Lina Rawie 13.01.2013	Originally Posted by SpeshulEd This is really nothing new...itunes match, matches all your mp3s in your collection on other devices. This isn't an iTunes Match equivalent. Amazon's cloud player has had that for months and works with FLAC, Ogg Vorbis etc. files as well as just MP3s. This gives you free MP3 versions of any CDs that you buy from Amazon, which saves you having to rip them.
Caridad Fan 17.01.2013	Yeah but for that club owners should pay more but at least around here a barmaid still gets the double so...
Vickey Fransway 17.01.2013	They need to do that in the US. That would eliminate at least 80% of my local competition.... Haha. Xpozur
Caridad Fan 15.01.2013	Originally Posted by xs2man Papers for your music? Yes. What is the word... Some kind of invoices? Well they may access your traktor list and you have to have with you at all times the "papers". At least here in Portugal is that way. Of course they won't see every single music but they may also request you to go to the police station the next day to prove that songs were payed for.
Joselyn Supina 15.01.2013	Even DRM'd music can be de-DRM'd...I'm not sure how one could prove that music files were purchased legally or illegally for that matter? With all the different options for buying music, you'd have to know how each tags their tunes and hope the person didn't overwrite those tags. And then what about all the music that is given away on the net, via blogs or soundcloud, much of which by the artists themselves? I have been collecting music for nearly 30 years, my itunes has 21k tracks which doesn't include countless cds and vinyl that haven't been ripped yet. How exactly does one look at all of this and determine it was purchased properly 30 minutes before someone's set?
Ngoc Ninow 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by squidot seriously, how could they even begin to prove this kind of stuff? do you have to have all your beatport receipts to show them? what about music producers that give away songs for free on their soundcloud, bandcamp, or websites? I agree, it sound a ridiculous, it's very difficult to prove. When you look at you beatport purchases in iTunes, in the comments section it says "purchased at beatport.com", but the the comments are editable anyway! Seems a but daft to me! What about the issue of downloading an mp3 from beatport, for example, and then burning this to a CD? Surely this is the same but the other way around????
Joselyn Supina 12.01.2013	Keeping receipts...hahaha. I might be able to find the Amazon confirmation email or the credit card statement, but I'm not going to dig for hours, let alone while working. That's just crazy.
Cole Maroto 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma Crazy innit? What sort of "papers" do you have anyway? seriously, how could they even begin to prove this kind of stuff? do you have to have all your beatport receipts to show them? what about music producers that give away songs for free on their soundcloud, bandcamp, or websites?
Ok Moroski 12.01.2013	Every mp3 I've ever downloaded from Amazon has been 320kpbs...?
Lina Rawie 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by xs2man Papers for your music? Crazy innit? What sort of "papers" do you have anyway?
Valene Guasp 12.01.2013	Crazy i'v been a UK club DJ for 10 years and have had them come in a club i'v been working at once in 2006/7. They announced they were coming weeks before so I just spun vinyl all evening
Tamela Batara 12.01.2013	Papers for your music?
Melani Klingbiel 12.01.2013	Just seems like another little "Niche" that amazon is trying to create for itself
Caridad Fan 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by D-Kem So you're in the middle of a set and someone wants to check your file formats, software licences etc? That's ridiculous. Yep they arrive to the club like 1h before they do anything and take attention to what you're doing. After that hour they go to the booth and say "don't mind about us, we're just going to take a look around, continue your gig and please whenever you can show us the papers for your music". I believe that they don't really really really care about the software and if you have like... half the music with licenses they "close their eyes" but it depends on their mood.
Lauretta Ehrhorn 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by Joel Santos It would be nice to ignore around here but those guys have like... 50% of chances of catching you on a gig. They're really really going to the clubs and inspecting everything! So you're in the middle of a set and someone wants to check your file formats, software licences etc? That's ridiculous.
Caridad Fan 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by xs2man Where is the problem then? Storage is cheap, and WAV's are better quality anyway? they also need more processing from the computer. so it really depends on the computer you have and the storage you have of course. if you're having the computer only for djing that is great but not everyone has but yes i'm with you. just making the devil's point.
Tamela Batara 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by Joel Santos Here is the problem with ripping: it's illegal to use the ripped versions. At least on Portugal this is the case. You can use the .WAV from the audio CD but you can't convert the track to any kind of extension. You have to use the track unmodified in any way. Where is the problem then? Storage is cheap, and WAV's are better quality anyway?
Caridad Fan 12.01.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma This isn't an iTunes Match equivalent. Amazon's cloud player has had that for months and works with FLAC, Ogg Vorbis etc. files as well as just MP3s. This gives you free MP3 versions of any CDs that you buy from Amazon, which saves you having to rip them. From what I understand it just doesn't save you from that but from the legality issues of doing it!
Nana Mohs 12.01.2013	Sounds cool, I always end up with 256k, at best, from amazon though. Usually 192k... I'll stick with audiojelly and beatport
Lina Rawie 13.01.2013	Originally Posted by SpeshulEd This is really nothing new...itunes match, matches all your mp3s in your collection on other devices. This isn't an iTunes Match equivalent. Amazon's cloud player has had that for months and works with FLAC, Ogg Vorbis etc. files as well as just MP3s. This gives you free MP3 versions of any CDs that you buy from Amazon, which saves you having to rip them.
Joselyn Supina 13.01.2013	This is really nothing new...itunes match, matches all your mp3s in your collection on other devices. To me this makes sense. You buy the hard copy and get the digital copy for your digital device. I personally like to buy vinyl for my hard copy and usually they come with a free download code. I believe this is Amazon's way of getting in on itunes match and google music.
Caridad Fan 13.01.2013	It would be nice to ignore around here but those guys have like... 50% of chances of catching you on a gig. They're really really going to the clubs and inspecting everything!
Lina Rawie 13.01.2013	Originally Posted by Joel Santos Here is the problem with ripping: it's illegal to use the ripped versions. At least on Portugal this is the case. You can use the .WAV from the audio CD but you can't convert the track to any kind of extension. You have to use the track unmodified in any way. In the UK it's still illegal to rip CDs full stop. But I don't care what the law says in that case, so I just ignore it.
Caridad Fan 13.01.2013	Here is the problem with ripping: it's illegal to use the ripped versions. At least on Portugal this is the case. You can use the .WAV from the audio CD but you can't convert the track to any kind of extension. You have to use the track unmodified in any way.
Tamela Batara 13.01.2013	Its seems a good idea if you want the tunes immediately. However, I personally rip my CD's anyway to 320 kbps MP3 when I get them regardless. I know I should rip them to FLAC.
Lina Rawie 12.01.2013	I can definitely see the positives of the service, but one of the reasons I buy CDs is because I can rip them to a format and bitrate of my choosing. My CD collection is ripped to FLAC, for instance. If you're OK with MP3s it's great though.
Ngoc Ninow 12.01.2013	Great idea this... I love MP3, but there is something about the tangibility of a CD, plus, they are nice things own :-D
Janyce Henningson 12.01.2013	I don't believe you can do it with used cd's - maybe ones you can prove you bought brand new from Amazon. When I've bought mp3's from Amazon they are encoded at variable bitrate - good enough quality but not the best. Average at about 256KBps
Caridad Fan 12.01.2013	That seems fair. I'll try and check what they have of classic rock. Thanks What about bitrate? I guess used aren't eligible right?
Janyce Henningson 12.01.2013	Yes it would be legal. There is a list of CD's eligible here: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=amb_link...d_i=5946775011 Looks like you have to buy it from Amazon to get the mp3.

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