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Hey vinyl and electronica lovers, check out this record collection I just picked up! Posted on: 19.11.2009 by Romelia Stankard Well actually to be honest the seller dropped it off, it's pretty awesome in my opinion, I look at a lot of collections for sale and usually I like 5% of the records, with this one I like 75% plus, guess how much I paid for it.... Here's a partial list: Marcello Giordani - Synthetic Music Part 1 Moving Units - Dangerous Dreams ... Read More Syclops - The Fly Dahlb | |
| Twanda Reimche 21.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Traktor doesn't even know when a bar starts, or when an 8/16/32 bars structure starts or ends. |
| Romelia Stankard 21.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Mr.Jones
Yeah I don't believe it's good for beginners to go straight to midi controllers with sync. Everyone should learn on decks with vinyl, even CDJs are a stretch but at least you learn to beatmatch and train your ears with them. I do not believe beatmatching itself is important now days and embrace sync, but I also believe everyone should learn to do it first since it develops a lot of skills that all these microwave DJs never learn. They are also hopeless if they are ever put in front of real turntables or CD decks, and sometimes bringing a laptop, audio interface, laptop stand, hard drive, and controller is just a pain when you can bring a CD book and be set. CDs are the way to go a good deal of the time if you're playing with other DJs or in general. I have seen in many instances where promoters have turned down traktor and virtual dj DJs because they would rather not deal with all the rewiring in the booth and stick to DJs who can come and rock the place with a CD booklet. I like to be able to provide both options. |
| Romelia Stankard 22.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by daveq
Yeah it's the way to go, I'm still waiting to buy anew TT pair, i'm turntableless for the first time in a year as of yesterday (ok, I've also been through 20 technics during the past three months, hopefully I'll find a pair today or tomorrow for agood price). Also timecode has never been so good without the spiderweb of multicores and audio 8 mess. Gotta love just plugging the TTs into the 4D. Oh and no one asked or guessed how much I paid for all of that vinyl, take a guess... |
| Romelia Stankard 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by pier
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| Twanda Reimche 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Personally I prefer the digital sound. But it has not the record scent. This guy loved the old book smell he did a perfume http://www.cbihateperfume.com/in-the-library.html |
| Romelia Stankard 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by pier
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| Twanda Reimche 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
http://www.elpj.com/main.html You can minimize that fact, but you can't escape it. You can clean your vinyl every time before playing it (as many audiophiles do), you can clean your needle every time, you can change your needle every 50 hours of use... and even in those laboratory conditions still have friction and wear. And I'm sure most of djs (if not all) don't follow any of those precautions. I don't know the conditions used in the analysis on the wikipedia, but hi fi players don't need as much pressure as djs need because we manipulate the record, and the last thing we want is the needle jumping right before launching a record. People just put the needle and listen, no vinyl manipulation. So I believe it's fair to assume that their analysis was not made with 20 grams... Please take the time to record in your computer one of those records you have played hundreds of times, make an fft analysis and then see that for yourself. Then compare it with the same track but from a cd. With your eyes closed you should be able to distinguish one from the other. It's really obvious. Not only because of the wear of higher frequencies, but also the signal to noise ratio. Anyway, that is all technical stuff. I know a lot of people who agrees on the lower quality of vinyl and even prefer it over the brighter and more precise sound of digital. But that is a subjective personal taste and no one could argue over that. |
| Sherika Lasee 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Lambox
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| Romelia Stankard 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by sine143
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| Romelia Stankard 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by pier
However, I and most DJs use spherical cartridges which preserve the life of records and don't do a fraction of the damage ellipticals do, especially when set up right. Here are two diagrams to illustrate the difference, spherical styli don't dig into the bottom of the groove and therefor don't do much damage. Ellipticals are designed to contact as much of the groove groove as possible sometimes including the bottom for the absolute best sound which in turn will eat away at records over time. Most DJ styli are spherical and whatever study they got that info from must have been with an exacto knife for an elliptical cartridge with 20 grams of weight on the needle (normal is .5-2 grams) |
| Gracia Giacoletto 21.11.2009 | Very, very good deal for all of that vinyl The thing I miss the most is going through someone's record bag at a show, or at the after party. Everyone always had those 4 or 5 records that *never* left their bag, even if they never ended up playing them. It was kind of like going through someone's diary or something. It'll be interesting seeing my buddy progress through his initial steps, starting with a laptop instead of decks. Our crew has already seen two people that bypassed records and started on CDs, and then one person now who's bypassing CDs and going straight to a computer. I know he's gotten enough heckling from the crew about this, so I'm just going clamp up and do the best I can to make sure he doesn't end up like Ean's protege in the "Microwave DJs" article he wrote a while back! Cheers, Jones |
| Twanda Reimche 21.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Traktor doesn't even know when a bar starts, or when an 8/16/32 bars structure starts or ends. |
| Romelia Stankard 21.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Mr.Jones
Yeah I don't believe it's good for beginners to go straight to midi controllers with sync. Everyone should learn on decks with vinyl, even CDJs are a stretch but at least you learn to beatmatch and train your ears with them. I do not believe beatmatching itself is important now days and embrace sync, but I also believe everyone should learn to do it first since it develops a lot of skills that all these microwave DJs never learn. They are also hopeless if they are ever put in front of real turntables or CD decks, and sometimes bringing a laptop, audio interface, laptop stand, hard drive, and controller is just a pain when you can bring a CD book and be set. CDs are the way to go a good deal of the time if you're playing with other DJs or in general. I have seen in many instances where promoters have turned down traktor and virtual dj DJs because they would rather not deal with all the rewiring in the booth and stick to DJs who can come and rock the place with a CD booklet. I like to be able to provide both options. |
| Gracia Giacoletto 21.11.2009 | Very nice find! Hmm. Can't guess how much that might have cost though, but you're hinting that it was a steal. Two hundred? I know I've been lucky enough over the last 5 years to have inherited a couple of crates of vinyl for next-to-nothing - The owners just wanted to make sure they ended up in a good home. As a result, I have about six crates of records that have been condensed into one in the living room now. It's a bit strange that people are starting to DJ now without starting on decks (CD decks or Tech12s). Our crew is mentoring someone right now who has bypassed decks altogether and is heading straight to Traktor and a VCI. Yes, on occasion I still miss records. I do *not* miss hauling a crate of records to a show, especially outdoor events. Laptop crashes suck, but try having a hard-to-find record melt on the platter right in front of you. Cheers - Jones |
| Romelia Stankard 22.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by daveq
Yeah it's the way to go, I'm still waiting to buy anew TT pair, i'm turntableless for the first time in a year as of yesterday (ok, I've also been through 20 technics during the past three months, hopefully I'll find a pair today or tomorrow for agood price). Also timecode has never been so good without the spiderweb of multicores and audio 8 mess. Gotta love just plugging the TTs into the 4D. Oh and no one asked or guessed how much I paid for all of that vinyl, take a guess... |
| Liz Mirabito 21.11.2009 | seeing Dooms Night has triggered happy (and hazy) memories of Sunday afternoons spent on the terrace in Space...happy days. Good find, you've done well. I've just purchased the TP Scratch upgrade kit to go with my Xone 4D because I missed the vinyl element too much. Haven't used it yet (kit is in transit now to NZ) but really looking forward to it. Will report back (when I get my hands on it again in about 3 months!!) |
| Romelia Stankard 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by pier
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| Twanda Reimche 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Personally I prefer the digital sound. But it has not the record scent. This guy loved the old book smell he did a perfume http://www.cbihateperfume.com/in-the-library.html |
| Romelia Stankard 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by pier
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| Twanda Reimche 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
http://www.elpj.com/main.html You can minimize that fact, but you can't escape it. You can clean your vinyl every time before playing it (as many audiophiles do), you can clean your needle every time, you can change your needle every 50 hours of use... and even in those laboratory conditions still have friction and wear. And I'm sure most of djs (if not all) don't follow any of those precautions. I don't know the conditions used in the analysis on the wikipedia, but hi fi players don't need as much pressure as djs need because we manipulate the record, and the last thing we want is the needle jumping right before launching a record. People just put the needle and listen, no vinyl manipulation. So I believe it's fair to assume that their analysis was not made with 20 grams... Please take the time to record in your computer one of those records you have played hundreds of times, make an fft analysis and then see that for yourself. Then compare it with the same track but from a cd. With your eyes closed you should be able to distinguish one from the other. It's really obvious. Not only because of the wear of higher frequencies, but also the signal to noise ratio. Anyway, that is all technical stuff. I know a lot of people who agrees on the lower quality of vinyl and even prefer it over the brighter and more precise sound of digital. But that is a subjective personal taste and no one could argue over that. |
| Romelia Stankard 20.11.2009 | Anyone else have some wax they wanna share? |
| Sherika Lasee 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Lambox
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| Romelia Stankard 20.11.2009 | Yeah, gotta love a pair of Technics MK5s with a Xone: 4D, the best of the best of both worlds... With CDJ 1000 MK3's you truly have the best of all three worlds . I have probably owned and sold 25 techncis in the last 8 months. When I get a pair of black MK5s or M3Ds I'll hold onto them. I'm getting another MK2 pair tomorrow but they are just to resell. |
| Gregory Finely 20.11.2009 | I love my vinyl but it's stored until i buy my house in January then all 2500 are coming home from my brothers for a reunion yesterday i had a 1210 plugged in playing a few tunes i kept with me, from 91-93 stuff on nervous strictly and one records along with a tune called Loony Toony which is a brilliant record for it's age even though I am full on digital Vinyl will always hold a special place for me along with 1210's that will never change! plus with the help of Alex we got the Xone 4D up and running looking forward to when i can plug my decks back in and get TSP and play with them along with the digital side of things! |
| Romelia Stankard 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by sine143
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| Al Henger 20.11.2009 | i mean, I recognize a good number of those releases, but I love Drop the Pressure, good friend of mine used it in a mix and I was like... damn, need it. |
| Verona Fashbaugh 20.11.2009 | I'm surprised you picked Drop the Pressure out of all those - I was going to say something too... Thanks for bragging. Can I just say here's a picture of my record collection: LOL |
| Romelia Stankard 20.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by pier
However, I and most DJs use spherical cartridges which preserve the life of records and don't do a fraction of the damage ellipticals do, especially when set up right. Here are two diagrams to illustrate the difference, spherical styli don't dig into the bottom of the groove and therefor don't do much damage. Ellipticals are designed to contact as much of the groove groove as possible sometimes including the bottom for the absolute best sound which in turn will eat away at records over time. Most DJ styli are spherical and whatever study they got that info from must have been with an exacto knife for an elliptical cartridge with 20 grams of weight on the needle (normal is .5-2 grams) |
| Al Henger 19.11.2009 | yeah, i mean, I could probably find a pair of techs for around the 400 mark... but as of right now, i'm mixing internally with traktor/vci/some random sample triggers and whatnot. I'd have to pick up a mixer as welll, and damn I just dont have the cash to make that endeavor, especially since I love mixing with the vci. darn being a poor college student. |
| Twanda Reimche 19.11.2009 | Nice collection of music! I have several of those releases in digital. After spinning records for a few years I gave all my vinyl record collection to dj friends when I went digital. They were very happy, and to me it only meant less space in the room. IMO the vinyl sound is horrible after a few plays, and it gets worse everytime you play it again. Plus dust, fingerprints... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramophone_record "The RIAA has suggested the following acceptable losses: down to 20 kHz after one play, 18 kHz after three plays, 17 kHz after five, 16 kHz after eight, 14 kHz after fifteen, 13 kHz after twenty five, 10 kHz after thirty five, and 8 kHz after eighty plays." 8Khz after eighty plays... and a dj usually plays a record hundreds of times. Considering most of people can't hear beyond 17k it's almost half of the spectrum... I have friends that bought several copies of the records they loved because of that. One copy for practicing, some more for live gigs, and some more ONLY for recording. Yeah, most of their money was spent in records... Carrying vinyls was a pain in the back... Some of my friends had problems in their back because of frequently carrying hundreds of vinyls. The only thing I miss about vinyls is touching them and see them spinning. That was really great. Oh and the smell of a new record |
| Romelia Stankard 19.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by sine143
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| Al Henger 19.11.2009 | haha, funny coincidence. hmmm... maybe its time I picked up at least 1 TT... but I'm gonna need a bigger desk real quick. Hell, might even buy it off you without any way to play it. |
| Romelia Stankard 19.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by sine143
EDIT: They are actually two different version of Drop the Pressure with different mixes so I'm going to keep both |
| Latoria Kavulich 19.11.2009 | Score! Pearls Girl on wax, fuck yeah |
| Al Henger 19.11.2009 | damn... wish I had that drop the pressure vinyl. I'll be honest, I've never stood between two turntables in my life, but dear god, I want to. As i started to get into djing, it was just so difficult to find tunes on vinyl in my area... so I never went that way. |
| Dj LsEx 19.11.2009 | ...and then you had to go and post PICTURES OF THEM ALL. JEEZ. You're KILLING ME. Way to pick up so many great records at once like that. The stars are clearly aligned in your favor! |
| Romelia Stankard 19.11.2009 | I know this is djtech so there are a lot of digital djs and people who never touched a record in their life, but you gotta appreciate the feel of vinyl. There's really nothing else like it, the album art, the thickness and weight of it, the analog sound, it's irreplaceable and even though I rarely use vinyl when I play out (besides timecodes) I like to collect it and use it at home. It's also the absolute best for personal listening. So I hope you enjoyed my recent additions. Any other vinyl lovers? How many of you MIDI DJs have never mixed two records before in your life or even owned a piece of vinyl? Be honest. As digital DJs you owe it yourself to experience the roots of DJing and mix two vinyl records on real turntables. Make it a goal, good record shops will have turntables to listen to records and some DJ oriented ones will even have a DJ booth with TTs and a mixer (Turntablelab in Manhattan for example). Now I have about 200 records to listen to, it's like crate digging through my own collection. I'm on number 5 and I like every one so far, this collection was a goldmine find. |
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