Traktor 2 pitch using CDJ's & timecode

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Traktor 2 pitch using CDJ's & timecode
Posted on: 21.06.2011 by Edris Acevedo
Hi,

When using my CDJ 800mk2's the pitch slider has always seemed overly sensitive. I assumed this was the norm until I played out at the weekend on a pair of CDJ 1000's using the same setup I have at home (timecode) and the pitch slider's were a lot less sensitive. They were behaving as they would when playing with CD's. Mine don't?? Is this due to the CDJ 1000's having a better pitch resolution?

thanks
Delila Vandommelen
22.06.2011		as Padi quoted :
Originally Posted by CDJ 800mk2 manual
Each time the button is pressed, the TEMPO adjust slider
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011		From the CDJ800 MKII manual

TEMPO CONTROL
100 mm high-precision slider coupled with a 0.05 % increment digital display (within a
Delila Vandommelen
22.06.2011		as Padi quoted :
Originally Posted by CDJ 800mk2 manual
Each time the button is pressed, the TEMPO adjust slider
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011		From the CDJ800 MKII manual

TEMPO CONTROL
100 mm high-precision slider coupled with a 0.05 % increment digital display (within a
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Ah I see. Yep! And there's a few extra little LEDs too and some ink :P
details
Kiyoko Wellisch
22.06.2011		@padi: What's the firmware got to do with it? It doesn't change the maths.

Originally Posted by bumtsch
turns out it's only more precise if you set it to +-6%. Therefore at +-10% they should feel the same.
No shit. That's what I said.
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011
Originally Posted by bumtsch
turns out it's only more precise if you set it to +-6%. Therefore at +-10% they should feel the same.
Same hardware, different firmware I guess.
Delila Vandommelen
22.06.2011		as Padi quoted :
Originally Posted by CDJ 800mk2 manual
Each time the button is pressed, the TEMPO adjust slider
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011		From the CDJ800 MKII manual

TEMPO CONTROL
100 mm high-precision slider coupled with a 0.05 % increment digital display (within a
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
It's a proportionally huge difference between +/-6% and +/-10%!
+1
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011
Originally Posted by Audio Aerosol
You believe? i thought increasing the pitch range would make it easier to accurately achieve the required BPM? Where as at the moment on my 800's a slight movement on the pitch slider will send it up by roughly .5 of a BPM hence making it less accurate to achieve the required BPM.
Increasing the pitch range makes the resolution steps larger, hence achieving a lower resolution.
Edris Acevedo
22.06.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
No, that would make it more sensitive, not less. You can set them to 6% though, is it possible that they were?
You believe? i thought increasing the pitch range would make it easier to accurately achieve the required BPM? Where as at the moment on my 800's a slight movement on the pitch slider will send it up by roughly .5 of a BPM hence making it less accurate to achieve the required BPM.
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Ah I see. Yep! And there's a few extra little LEDs too and some ink :P
details
Kiyoko Wellisch
22.06.2011		Ah I see. Yep! And there's a few extra little LEDs too and some ink :P
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011		Same pitch fader on both CDJs, 6% enabled on the 1ks.
Kiyoko Wellisch
22.06.2011		@padi: What's the firmware got to do with it? It doesn't change the maths.

Originally Posted by bumtsch
turns out it's only more precise if you set it to +-6%. Therefore at +-10% they should feel the same.
No shit. That's what I said.
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011
Originally Posted by bumtsch
turns out it's only more precise if you set it to +-6%. Therefore at +-10% they should feel the same.
Same hardware, different firmware I guess.
Delila Vandommelen
22.06.2011		as Padi quoted :
Originally Posted by CDJ 800mk2 manual
Each time the button is pressed, the TEMPO adjust slider
Edris Acevedo
22.06.2011		oh! eerrr I thought it was 8% but now you mention it. I guess it would seem feasible for them to be set at 6% and mine at 10% which would account for the huge difference in accuracy as you clearly mentioned. A huge plus for the 1000's then in my book. thanks for clarifying.
Kiyoko Wellisch
22.06.2011		Nice info digging there padi!
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011		From the CDJ800 MKII manual

TEMPO CONTROL
100 mm high-precision slider coupled with a 0.05 % increment digital display (within a
Kiyoko Wellisch
22.06.2011		CDJ 800mk2s don't go to +/-8% I swear. It's +/-10% or wide, right?
Edris Acevedo
22.06.2011		Yes, But if mine are on 8% and the 1000's were on I'm assuming 6% because they were more accurate in achieving the fine adjustments. It doesn't make sense why the difference would be so noticeable.
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
It's a proportionally huge difference between +/-6% and +/-10%!
+1
Kiyoko Wellisch
22.06.2011		It's a proportionally huge difference between +/-6% and +/-10%!
Edris Acevedo
22.06.2011		I don't understand why a slight movement of the pitch slider on mine increases/decreases the BPM so much if the difference is that little.
Kiyoko Wellisch
22.06.2011		IF they were set to a pitch range +/-6%

I'm not sure the actual resolution of the pitch faders is different, I thought they used the same components. Either way they are fine enough not to actually have any difference here, unlike with shitty midi controllers.
Edris Acevedo
22.06.2011		In which case could it be that the 1000's have a higher resolution which is why I have noticed the sliders to be more accurate than my 800's?
Kiyoko Wellisch
22.06.2011		Increasing the pitch range = larger % interval per mm = higher bpm per mm = the same adjustment to the pitch fader results in a larger change in the tempo of the music.

Assuming the pitch fader is 100mm
+/-10% pitch fader: 1mm adjustment = 0.2% pitch = 0.28 bpm change @ 140 bpm
+/-20% pitch fader: 1mm adjustment = 0.4% pitch = 0.56 bpm change @ 140 bpm

So as you can see it become more and more difficult to make fine adjustments to tempo as the pitch range increases. This makes it easier to get a perfect tempo match with a smaller pitch range.
Nedra Fresneda
22.06.2011
Originally Posted by Audio Aerosol
You believe? i thought increasing the pitch range would make it easier to accurately achieve the required BPM? Where as at the moment on my 800's a slight movement on the pitch slider will send it up by roughly .5 of a BPM hence making it less accurate to achieve the required BPM.
Increasing the pitch range makes the resolution steps larger, hence achieving a lower resolution.
Edris Acevedo
22.06.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
No, that would make it more sensitive, not less. You can set them to 6% though, is it possible that they were?
You believe? i thought increasing the pitch range would make it easier to accurately achieve the required BPM? Where as at the moment on my 800's a slight movement on the pitch slider will send it up by roughly .5 of a BPM hence making it less accurate to achieve the required BPM.
Kiyoko Wellisch
22.06.2011		No, that would make it more sensitive, not less. You can set them to 6% though, is it possible that they were?
Edris Acevedo
22.06.2011		Oh well if that's what Bong Squad then it's on 8% not wide. Maybe it was to do with the 1000's pitch range being set higher which was why it was less sensitive.
Kiyoko Wellisch
22.06.2011		Yes there is. It's 8% and "wide" I believe?
Edris Acevedo
22.06.2011		not on the 800mk2's there isn't.
Willia Subotic
22.06.2011		Just about the pitch control there is a button with TEMPO (+/-6 / +/-10 / +/-16), have you tried that?
Edris Acevedo
22.06.2011		No, As I said before I just plugged my Audio 8 in and off I went. The DJ before me might of. I wasn't aware you could change the pitch range on the 1000's TBH. you can't on my 800mk2's I don't believe.
Willia Subotic
21.06.2011		Did you change the tempo range on the CD-DJ's themselves?
Edris Acevedo
21.06.2011		The set tempo range is on 100% and the current tempo range is on 8%. None of the settings were changed when using the 1000's just literally plugged in my audio 8 and relevant cables.
Kiyoko Wellisch
21.06.2011		Are you sure you have them set to the smallest pitch range? With the same length pitch slider and the same pitch range there should be no difference in sensitivity.

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