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Could someone make a case for DCJs?
Posted on: 09.03.2012 by Ervin Calvery
I just don't see the reason to love CDJs, or maybe I just don't quite get it. Could someone "sell" me on them?
Tashia Masada
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by botstein
I just don't see the reason to love CDJs, or maybe I just don't quite get it. Could someone "sell" me on them?
If you need to be sold on the idea, it probably isn't for you...but ill give it a go explaining

If you want to know the benefits of CDJing, you need to consider 'as opposed to what?', for example.

-As opposed to computers:

- They are standard pieces of gear , and most clubs will have one. All you need to do is bring your CDs
- CDJs are much less likely to go FUBAR than a computer. And when they do, its usually because your CDs are scratched. Having said that, it's cheap/easy to make backups and use them inplace of original CDs
- You don't have to shell out for a MP3 license/extortion fee. Having said that no one really checks for this, nor has anyone ever been been punished for violating it. We all have more prioritising issue (record labels included)
-Also much better for learning to beatmatch etc

however:
- It's expensive. A single professional CDJ costs
Tashia Masada
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by botstein
I just don't see the reason to love CDJs, or maybe I just don't quite get it. Could someone "sell" me on them?
If you need to be sold on the idea, it probably isn't for you...but ill give it a go explaining

If you want to know the benefits of CDJing, you need to consider 'as opposed to what?', for example.

-As opposed to computers:

- They are standard pieces of gear , and most clubs will have one. All you need to do is bring your CDs
- CDJs are much less likely to go FUBAR than a computer. And when they do, its usually because your CDs are scratched. Having said that, it's cheap/easy to make backups and use them inplace of original CDs
- You don't have to shell out for a MP3 license/extortion fee. Having said that no one really checks for this, nor has anyone ever been been punished for violating it. We all have more prioritising issue (record labels included)
-Also much better for learning to beatmatch etc

however:
- It's expensive. A single professional CDJ costs
Tashia Masada
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by botstein
I just don't see the reason to love CDJs, or maybe I just don't quite get it. Could someone "sell" me on them?
If you need to be sold on the idea, it probably isn't for you...but ill give it a go explaining

If you want to know the benefits of CDJing, you need to consider 'as opposed to what?', for example.

-As opposed to computers:

- They are standard pieces of gear , and most clubs will have one. All you need to do is bring your CDs
- CDJs are much less likely to go FUBAR than a computer. And when they do, its usually because your CDs are scratched. Having said that, it's cheap/easy to make backups and use them inplace of original CDs
- You don't have to shell out for a MP3 license/extortion fee. Having said that no one really checks for this, nor has anyone ever been been punished for violating it. We all have more prioritising issue (record labels included)
-Also much better for learning to beatmatch etc

however:
- It's expensive. A single professional CDJ costs
Tashia Masada
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by botstein
I just don't see the reason to love CDJs, or maybe I just don't quite get it. Could someone "sell" me on them?
If you need to be sold on the idea, it probably isn't for you...but ill give it a go explaining

If you want to know the benefits of CDJing, you need to consider 'as opposed to what?', for example.

-As opposed to computers:

- They are standard pieces of gear , and most clubs will have one. All you need to do is bring your CDs
- CDJs are much less likely to go FUBAR than a computer. And when they do, its usually because your CDs are scratched. Having said that, it's cheap/easy to make backups and use them inplace of original CDs
- You don't have to shell out for a MP3 license/extortion fee. Having said that no one really checks for this, nor has anyone ever been been punished for violating it. We all have more prioritising issue (record labels included)
-Also much better for learning to beatmatch etc

however:
- It's expensive. A single professional CDJ costs
Tashia Masada
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by botstein
I just don't see the reason to love CDJs, or maybe I just don't quite get it. Could someone "sell" me on them?
If you need to be sold on the idea, it probably isn't for you...but ill give it a go explaining

If you want to know the benefits of CDJing, you need to consider 'as opposed to what?', for example.

-As opposed to computers:

- They are standard pieces of gear , and most clubs will have one. All you need to do is bring your CDs
- CDJs are much less likely to go FUBAR than a computer. And when they do, its usually because your CDs are scratched. Having said that, it's cheap/easy to make backups and use them inplace of original CDs
- You don't have to shell out for a MP3 license/extortion fee. Having said that no one really checks for this, nor has anyone ever been been punished for violating it. We all have more prioritising issue (record labels included)
-Also much better for learning to beatmatch etc

however:
- It's expensive. A single professional CDJ costs
Tashia Masada
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by botstein
I just don't see the reason to love CDJs, or maybe I just don't quite get it. Could someone "sell" me on them?
If you need to be sold on the idea, it probably isn't for you...but ill give it a go explaining

If you want to know the benefits of CDJing, you need to consider 'as opposed to what?', for example.

-As opposed to computers:

- They are standard pieces of gear , and most clubs will have one. All you need to do is bring your CDs
- CDJs are much less likely to go FUBAR than a computer. And when they do, its usually because your CDs are scratched. Having said that, it's cheap/easy to make backups and use them inplace of original CDs
- You don't have to shell out for a MP3 license/extortion fee. Having said that no one really checks for this, nor has anyone ever been been punished for violating it. We all have more prioritising issue (record labels included)
-Also much better for learning to beatmatch etc

however:
- It's expensive. A single professional CDJ costs
Tashia Masada
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by botstein
I just don't see the reason to love CDJs, or maybe I just don't quite get it. Could someone "sell" me on them?
If you need to be sold on the idea, it probably isn't for you...but ill give it a go explaining

If you want to know the benefits of CDJing, you need to consider 'as opposed to what?', for example.

-As opposed to computers:

- They are standard pieces of gear , and most clubs will have one. All you need to do is bring your CDs
- CDJs are much less likely to go FUBAR than a computer. And when they do, its usually because your CDs are scratched. Having said that, it's cheap/easy to make backups and use them inplace of original CDs
- You don't have to shell out for a MP3 license/extortion fee. Having said that no one really checks for this, nor has anyone ever been been punished for violating it. We all have more prioritising issue (record labels included)
-Also much better for learning to beatmatch etc

however:
- It's expensive. A single professional CDJ costs
Danae Dumler
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by DJ Millenium Falcon
I'm not sure I understand this part. A large percentage of underground music (before CD decks & MP3's were common) was only ever released on vinyl. Are you saying that the masterers in the cutting house mastered tunes for a digital format when it was only ever goung to be released as a twelve?
Sorry, not what I meant. I'm saying that those records will sound better than CDs made from the same masters. And I probably have the language wrong because I'm not a sound engineer. If you have the original masters you can re-record for CD if you're releasing a CD and mix it down so it sounds better on the CD. But if you don't (e.g. Oscar Peterson's Nigerian Marketplace), or if something goes wrong in the process of moving to digital (e.g. Iggy + The Stooges Raw Power album), the CD will sound noticeably inferior to vinyl. But obviously records that aren't released digitally will sound better on vinyl, since there is no digital copy to speak of.

Not the same of course as just playing an old record and recording it digitally, in which case the recording has already been "re-interpreted" by your phono preamp, so it will sound as good as the record (with all the pops and crackles too, of course).

So, my point is just that vinyl and digital are very different storage media, and the source material is prepared in different ways for each.
Bryon Niccoli
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
The only thing that will sound better on vinyl is something that was mastered for vinyl (and not remastered for CD). Such records exist, particularly older recordings, but rarely for anything since the mid-1990s or so.
I'm not sure I understand this part. A large percentage of underground music (before CD decks & MP3's were common) was only ever released on vinyl. Are you saying that the masterers in the cutting house mastered tunes for a digital format when it was only ever goung to be released as a twelve?
Danae Dumler
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by bean520
but
- You lose the slightest bit of sound quality (your audeince really won't care however)
- Some rare records can only be found on vinyl
Having been painstakingly trying to record a bunch of vinyl I have recently, I will have to disagree on the sound quality point. I prefer vinyl and in many ways I even prefer the *sound* of vinyl, but it's not better *quality* in the sense of fidelity. It's noisier ("warmer" if you will) and there are always imperfections and dust in the physical medium - even on the first play. Nevertheless, I prefer to hear music on vinyl almost every time. But the only thing that will sound better on vinyl is something that was mastered for vinyl (and not remastered for CD). Such records exist, particularly older recordings, but rarely for anything since the mid-1990s or so.

But yes the audience is unlikely to care either way.
Tashia Masada
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by botstein
I just don't see the reason to love CDJs, or maybe I just don't quite get it. Could someone "sell" me on them?
If you need to be sold on the idea, it probably isn't for you...but ill give it a go explaining

If you want to know the benefits of CDJing, you need to consider 'as opposed to what?', for example.

-As opposed to computers:

- They are standard pieces of gear , and most clubs will have one. All you need to do is bring your CDs
- CDJs are much less likely to go FUBAR than a computer. And when they do, its usually because your CDs are scratched. Having said that, it's cheap/easy to make backups and use them inplace of original CDs
- You don't have to shell out for a MP3 license/extortion fee. Having said that no one really checks for this, nor has anyone ever been been punished for violating it. We all have more prioritising issue (record labels included)
-Also much better for learning to beatmatch etc

however:
- It's expensive. A single professional CDJ costs
Ervin Calvery
09.03.2012
I just don't see the reason to love CDJs, or maybe I just don't quite get it. Could someone "sell" me on them?
Tiara Bastarache
19.03.2012
For me its the simplicity behind it.

Just throw a CD in or a flash drive on the CDJ and your mixing. No screwing around with cables, moving the computer around and/or trying to find space for your gear. I don't have to worry about my computer being damaged or stolen either.

To each their own though.
Dorie Scelzo
19.03.2012
That's not entirely true…and there are masters in existence somewhere from before they were prepared for the medium……meaning vinyl, since digital distribution doesn't take much after premastering.

I'd just like to point out that I've had Pioneer CDJs fail on me more times than computers. And that a pair of top-end CDJs costs more than a Mac Pro.

I believe they're kinda dumb for individuals to own.
Danae Dumler
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by DJ Millenium Falcon
I'm not sure I understand this part. A large percentage of underground music (before CD decks & MP3's were common) was only ever released on vinyl. Are you saying that the masterers in the cutting house mastered tunes for a digital format when it was only ever goung to be released as a twelve?
Sorry, not what I meant. I'm saying that those records will sound better than CDs made from the same masters. And I probably have the language wrong because I'm not a sound engineer. If you have the original masters you can re-record for CD if you're releasing a CD and mix it down so it sounds better on the CD. But if you don't (e.g. Oscar Peterson's Nigerian Marketplace), or if something goes wrong in the process of moving to digital (e.g. Iggy + The Stooges Raw Power album), the CD will sound noticeably inferior to vinyl. But obviously records that aren't released digitally will sound better on vinyl, since there is no digital copy to speak of.

Not the same of course as just playing an old record and recording it digitally, in which case the recording has already been "re-interpreted" by your phono preamp, so it will sound as good as the record (with all the pops and crackles too, of course).

So, my point is just that vinyl and digital are very different storage media, and the source material is prepared in different ways for each.
Bryon Niccoli
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
The only thing that will sound better on vinyl is something that was mastered for vinyl (and not remastered for CD). Such records exist, particularly older recordings, but rarely for anything since the mid-1990s or so.
I'm not sure I understand this part. A large percentage of underground music (before CD decks & MP3's were common) was only ever released on vinyl. Are you saying that the masterers in the cutting house mastered tunes for a digital format when it was only ever goung to be released as a twelve?
Alla Bluemke
10.03.2012
Also I would like to point out that many CDJs now are USB cabable. Meaning just bring a thumb and some headphones and you can play your gig.
Danae Dumler
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by bean520
but
- You lose the slightest bit of sound quality (your audeince really won't care however)
- Some rare records can only be found on vinyl
Having been painstakingly trying to record a bunch of vinyl I have recently, I will have to disagree on the sound quality point. I prefer vinyl and in many ways I even prefer the *sound* of vinyl, but it's not better *quality* in the sense of fidelity. It's noisier ("warmer" if you will) and there are always imperfections and dust in the physical medium - even on the first play. Nevertheless, I prefer to hear music on vinyl almost every time. But the only thing that will sound better on vinyl is something that was mastered for vinyl (and not remastered for CD). Such records exist, particularly older recordings, but rarely for anything since the mid-1990s or so.

But yes the audience is unlikely to care either way.
Ervin Calvery
10.03.2012
Thank you so much! One thing that never occurred to me is the difference in licensing and associated fees.
Tashia Masada
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by botstein
I just don't see the reason to love CDJs, or maybe I just don't quite get it. Could someone "sell" me on them?
If you need to be sold on the idea, it probably isn't for you...but ill give it a go explaining

If you want to know the benefits of CDJing, you need to consider 'as opposed to what?', for example.

-As opposed to computers:

- They are standard pieces of gear , and most clubs will have one. All you need to do is bring your CDs
- CDJs are much less likely to go FUBAR than a computer. And when they do, its usually because your CDs are scratched. Having said that, it's cheap/easy to make backups and use them inplace of original CDs
- You don't have to shell out for a MP3 license/extortion fee. Having said that no one really checks for this, nor has anyone ever been been punished for violating it. We all have more prioritising issue (record labels included)
-Also much better for learning to beatmatch etc

however:
- It's expensive. A single professional CDJ costs

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