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My frist set of DJ equipment, CDJ 350 vs 850 vs 900
Posted on: 01.06.2013 by Bernard Pulizzi
Hey guys.

I've been producing for a little while now, and am now ready to start DJing. I can't wait to get going, and this summer will give me all of the money I need to purchase some expensive kit, but I'm unsure of what to go for.

This would be for my bedroom setup and I'm looking to play music from USB primarily, with CDs for backup.

My main requirement from the setup is that I want the kit to get me "club ready".

I know HOW to DJ, but haven't been able to spend a lot of time around gear , however through research etc I know what each piece of kit does etc etc.

So what do you believe? Save money and buy a 350 setup, or splash out and get an 850/900 kit?

Thanks for any help or opinion you guys have to offer

KBRIDGE
Bernard Pulizzi
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Are you based in the UK? There are plenty of used CDJs on Gumtree, and Ebay is worth looking at too.
Yeah, I'm a Cambridge dweller, I'll give gumtree another scan
Bernard Pulizzi
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by johney
850s and DJM 250 look like they might be right for you.
Do you know any good places to get second hand DJ gear?
Bernard Pulizzi
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by xs2man
I never actually said it WAS a toy. But the OP did state he wanted "full size" gear to get him used to a more "pro" set-up.
I meant more of a full size setup, meaning CDJs opposed to controllers

I just want to thank everyone who's posted so far.. I know I'm being difficult, I just want to make sure I get the best gear for my situation, y'know?

To add to what I'm looking for: I don't believe I need a four channel mixer, and I will be buying second hand - obviously best condition I can find!
Anissa Perusek
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by kbridge
I just don't believe a controller is the way for me to go, no matter what the functions.. I just can't get on board with the R1!

I put this to you guys: As this will be my home setup, this doesn't have to be Tiesto's live gear.. surely if I can play on a set of CDJ 350s, I can play on anything that the clubs have.. is the jogwheel difference between the 350 and the 850/900/2000 worth the extra cash when all I need to do is to hone my skills to the point of playing parties and clubs? If I can handle the "crappy" jogs of a 350, then the beautiful jogs of expensive gear will be a doddle for me to play on?

plus I get that the mixer won't have the same Effects, but I don't mind, AND I don't need 4 channels

whaddaya believe?
The XDJ-R1 looks to me like a pair of CDJ 400s with a built in DJM 350 with way better effects. I've had CDJ 350s and they're garbage. Honestly, I say you either go XDJ-R1 ($899) or CDJ 900s ($1500 used for the pair if you're lucky) + DJM 800 ($600-$700 used). Big price differential there. XDJ-R1 would be my choice for you.
Tamela Batara
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
The DJM 250 is not a "toy". It has the exact same isolator EQs, knobs, and filters as the DJM900 - all its really missing are the extra channels, FX, and sound card.

If you don't need FX it will serve perfectly well as a home unit to practice on.
I never actually said it WAS a toy. But the OP did state he wanted "full size" gear to get him used to a more "pro" set-up.

Originally Posted by kbridge
I believe I'd just prefer to learn on "full-size" gear, regardless of if it has less features (?!)

Anyway, a DJm 700 can be found, second had admittedly, for around the same price as a new 350, so go that route all day long. If you are blowing the bulk of your budget on the CDJ's, get a second hand mixer to get you going just now, then when you sell it in a year or so when you upgrade, you wont loose so much money.
Bernard Pulizzi
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by bieberatemytaco
Fiancee just woke up in the middle of me watching the demo of the XDJ-R1, watched it for about 20 seconds, and says, "that thing looks like a piece of shit," and went back to bed. A woman after my own heart.
I just don't believe a controller is the way for me to go, no matter what the functions.. I just can't get on board with the R1!

I put this to you guys: As this will be my home setup, this doesn't have to be Tiesto's live gear.. surely if I can play on a set of CDJ 350s, I can play on anything that the clubs have.. is the jogwheel difference between the 350 and the 850/900/2000 worth the extra cash when all I need to do is to hone my skills to the point of playing parties and clubs? If I can handle the "crappy" jogs of a 350, then the beautiful jogs of expensive gear will be a doddle for me to play on?

plus I get that the mixer won't have the same Effects, but I don't mind, AND I don't need 4 channels

whaddaya believe?
Alphonso Deitchman
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by xs2man
But then you should really mate them with a mixer that is as good as the CDJ's. The DJM 250 just isn't good enough, and is more of a toy, like your trying to avoid. This is assuming you want to stick with Pioneer gear so you have a similar layout to the "club standard".
The DJM 250 is not a "toy". It has the exact same isolator EQs, knobs, and filters as the DJM900 - all its really missing are the extra channels, FX, and sound card.

If you don't need FX it will serve perfectly well as a home unit to practice on.
Yukiko Spruell
02.06.2013
As an owner of CDJ900s and DJM 850 mixer I can honestly say its a great set up, brilliant in fact. But that said I doubt I would have bought that kit to start out with. If you really want something that replicates a club set up but without blowing a pile of cash I recon the XDJ-R1 would be perfect.

I believe if that had been out when I was looking at CDJs I may have gone that route. I still might buy one yet but in addition to the CDJs as the convinience of a single unit would realy suit me sometimes.
Annalisa Shogren
02.06.2013
You need to go to a shop and try stuff.
Bernard Pulizzi
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Are you based in the UK? There are plenty of used CDJs on Gumtree, and Ebay is worth looking at too.
Yeah, I'm a Cambridge dweller, I'll give gumtree another scan
Alphonso Deitchman
01.06.2013
Are you based in the UK? There are plenty of used CDJs on Gumtree, and Ebay is worth looking at too.
Bernard Pulizzi
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by johney
850s and DJM 250 look like they might be right for you.
Do you know any good places to get second hand DJ gear?
Augustine Mitzen
01.06.2013
850s and DJM 250 look like they might be right for you.
Bernard Pulizzi
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by xs2man
I never actually said it WAS a toy. But the OP did state he wanted "full size" gear to get him used to a more "pro" set-up.
I meant more of a full size setup, meaning CDJs opposed to controllers

I just want to thank everyone who's posted so far.. I know I'm being difficult, I just want to make sure I get the best gear for my situation, y'know?

To add to what I'm looking for: I don't believe I need a four channel mixer, and I will be buying second hand - obviously best condition I can find!
Anissa Perusek
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by kbridge
I just don't believe a controller is the way for me to go, no matter what the functions.. I just can't get on board with the R1!

I put this to you guys: As this will be my home setup, this doesn't have to be Tiesto's live gear.. surely if I can play on a set of CDJ 350s, I can play on anything that the clubs have.. is the jogwheel difference between the 350 and the 850/900/2000 worth the extra cash when all I need to do is to hone my skills to the point of playing parties and clubs? If I can handle the "crappy" jogs of a 350, then the beautiful jogs of expensive gear will be a doddle for me to play on?

plus I get that the mixer won't have the same Effects, but I don't mind, AND I don't need 4 channels

whaddaya believe?
The XDJ-R1 looks to me like a pair of CDJ 400s with a built in DJM 350 with way better effects. I've had CDJ 350s and they're garbage. Honestly, I say you either go XDJ-R1 ($899) or CDJ 900s ($1500 used for the pair if you're lucky) + DJM 800 ($600-$700 used). Big price differential there. XDJ-R1 would be my choice for you.
Tamela Batara
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
The DJM 250 is not a "toy". It has the exact same isolator EQs, knobs, and filters as the DJM900 - all its really missing are the extra channels, FX, and sound card.

If you don't need FX it will serve perfectly well as a home unit to practice on.
I never actually said it WAS a toy. But the OP did state he wanted "full size" gear to get him used to a more "pro" set-up.

Originally Posted by kbridge
I believe I'd just prefer to learn on "full-size" gear, regardless of if it has less features (?!)

Anyway, a DJm 700 can be found, second had admittedly, for around the same price as a new 350, so go that route all day long. If you are blowing the bulk of your budget on the CDJ's, get a second hand mixer to get you going just now, then when you sell it in a year or so when you upgrade, you wont loose so much money.
Bernard Pulizzi
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by bieberatemytaco
Fiancee just woke up in the middle of me watching the demo of the XDJ-R1, watched it for about 20 seconds, and says, "that thing looks like a piece of shit," and went back to bed. A woman after my own heart.
I just don't believe a controller is the way for me to go, no matter what the functions.. I just can't get on board with the R1!

I put this to you guys: As this will be my home setup, this doesn't have to be Tiesto's live gear.. surely if I can play on a set of CDJ 350s, I can play on anything that the clubs have.. is the jogwheel difference between the 350 and the 850/900/2000 worth the extra cash when all I need to do is to hone my skills to the point of playing parties and clubs? If I can handle the "crappy" jogs of a 350, then the beautiful jogs of expensive gear will be a doddle for me to play on?

plus I get that the mixer won't have the same Effects, but I don't mind, AND I don't need 4 channels

whaddaya believe?
Alphonso Deitchman
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by xs2man
But then you should really mate them with a mixer that is as good as the CDJ's. The DJM 250 just isn't good enough, and is more of a toy, like your trying to avoid. This is assuming you want to stick with Pioneer gear so you have a similar layout to the "club standard".
The DJM 250 is not a "toy". It has the exact same isolator EQs, knobs, and filters as the DJM900 - all its really missing are the extra channels, FX, and sound card.

If you don't need FX it will serve perfectly well as a home unit to practice on.
Albina Androski
01.06.2013
SC2900s and DJM800 (used) would be my vote....


SC2900s have a lot of features that the CDJ2000 has. And the mixer is perfect for club standard.
Anissa Perusek
01.06.2013
Fiancee just woke up in the middle of me watching the demo of the XDJ-R1, watched it for about 20 seconds, and says, "that thing looks like a piece of shit," and went back to bed. A woman after my own heart.
Bernard Pulizzi
01.06.2013
yeah you are right, I may just have to suck it up and look at an R1 further..

that or the 850s.. These were the first decks I was looking at, but I see advised in many places that you go for the 900s should I be in the market for 850s anyway.. worth it you reckon?

The only way I could get the 900s realistically would be with a cheap mixer, however, this could easily be upgraded next summer when I come back into money I suppose..

If you advise fully agains the 350s, it has sort of come down to CDJ 900s and a mixer (maybe the DJM350 for this year?)

or

The R1

KBRIDGE
Tamela Batara
01.06.2013
I see where your coming from.

Don't get the CDJ350's then, as they are not "full size" gear.

You could go for the 850's, they are pretty decent looking, and full size, but the extra features such as quantized looping, pro link, HID integration and slip roll make it worthwhile going that extra mile. But then you should really mate them with a mixer that is as good as the CDJ's. The DJM 250 just isn't good enough, and is more of a toy, like your trying to avoid. This is assuming you want to stick with Pioneer gear so you have a similar layout to the "club standard".

Of course, this then ups the budget considerably, and if you are looking at only new gear, you'll need a budget just shy of
Bernard Pulizzi
01.06.2013
Hmmmm I've been looking at this R1 for a while now, it's seriously cool, I'm just not 100% sold on it..

I'm not acutally sure why I'm not 100% with it either.. it has the best of both worlds.. I suppose a part of me just wants to play on the standard CDJs, although these offer that anyway.. hmm

I don't want to open up the classic conversation about the future of DJing, but in my opinion CDJing won't die for a very long time, this looks like R1 is just the earliest stage of the future however. I believe CDJs will continue to advance technologically, probably including the effects of traktor, and the detailed waveforms just in the screen of the CDJs themselves, I don't believe ipads, ipods or even laptops will ever be a standard feature of club booths, but that's just my two cents..

The thing is, controllers tend to look like toys IMO (I don't want to cause any offense as I'm REALLY not biased against ANY type of Djing), and I believe I'd just prefer to learn on "full-size" gear, regardless of if it has less features (?!)

I hope that all makes sense and you can see where I'm coming from.. can you sense my frustration?! hahah!
Anissa Perusek
01.06.2013
I have 2 900s and I am seriously considering scrapping them for the XDJ-R1. Already saw a preorder for $850. Just want to test it out first.
Tamela Batara
01.06.2013
I would say the R1 looks like a more advanced set-up than the CDJ / DJM 350 set-up. Being modular may give you some small advantage with the 350's, but the R1 has more of the features you will find on a typical pro set-up.

Despite your current skill level, the R1 should give you more of the features you will encounter in the "field", so would be a better investment for getting you up to speed. And you wont grow out of it. My 350 set-up was bought because it was cheap enough for me to see if I would get back into it. But I grew out of it within a month or so.

The R1, on the other hand, is cheaper, and better than the 350 set-up. The 900's will be better, I'm sure, but I wouldn't be mating them with a DJM 250 either, as that is a VERY basic mixer. I'd be looking for a minimum of a DJM 700 to match with the 900's (second hand they are around
Bernard Pulizzi
01.06.2013
Originally Posted by xs2man
Go for the 900's.

The 350's a re a great bit of kit if your a loaded noob, just wanting to be cool, but they are very basic for the money. There is not much to them. I had them for just under a year, and while I don't regret buying them, as they did their job (to see if I wanted to get back into DJ-in after a 8 year leave of absence), I should have just went straight for the 900's.
It's worth noting that I am at the most basic level currently, are you believeing that it's easy to graduate past the level of 350s quickly?

If going for the 900s, I'd probably go for the two 900s and a DJM250

You believe that the R1 would give the "club-ready" skills necessary?
Tamela Batara
01.06.2013
Go for the 900's.

The 350's a re a great bit of kit if your a loaded noob, just wanting to be cool, but they are very basic for the money. There is not much to them. I had them for just under a year, and while I don't regret buying them, as they did their job (to see if I wanted to get back into DJ-in after a 8 year leave of absence), I should have just went straight for the 900's.

Of course, if you don't want to spend

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