denon sc2900
denon sc2900 Posted on: 18.09.2013 by Chandra Lean Does anyone here own a pair? i have read many reviews stating how they are as good (if not better) than the cdj900. but i have yet to talk to anyone in a community that owns one. I own a x1700 and i know that Denon has phenomenal build quality, but does anyone here own one? I currently have a pair of Reloop RMP-3a (pretty good players, but one will only do usb, link, midi right now) i want to upgrade to sc2900's. | |
| Antone Kazim 24.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by rmc
For the evening I was playing on Saturday I was running the 2900s with a combination of 4Gb memory sticks and a 320Gb powered hard drive (I hadn't had enough time to properly prep for this one so I had different tracks across 3 devices and most were new tracks that hadn't been Engine analysed yet). The players took about a second to read the drive contents but once you clicked select on a track it loaded to the player instantly- this was true for all 3 devices with no difference between the small memeory pens and the large external HD. Bottom line I wouldn't let track loading times worry you with any of the players at this level, in fact even my mate's Reloop RMP-3s load tracks from a cluttered 320Gb external HD in an instant. I would have thought that any delays that people have experienced in this area must be down to issues with the devices themselves? For what it's worth my memory sticks were only |
| Antone Kazim 23.09.2013 | I own a pair of 2900s and traded in a pair of CDJ900s to get them. For me the 2900s are superior in pretty much every area except the display- the CDJ is better in this area simply because it displays an extra line of text (making track browsing easier) but otherwise the screens are much of a muchness. The key improvements on the 2900 over the CDJ is the jog-wheel (much smoother, quieter, and resistance adjustable), and hot-cues (none on the CDJ). There are also things like the pitchbend buttons & master deck feature but I've never met anyone myself that have been big users of these things. The switch to hard plastic for the play/cue buttons means that the main gripe with Denon players has been resolved. I use mine linked to Engine software running on a small netbook- essentially to use purely as a big music crate screen. This is all controlled using the 2900s transport controls meaning I don't need to touch the netbook. I don't have any experience using them as controllers, but I have also regularly used them as stand alone players playing from usb drives (with a link cable) and aside from the single text line on the screen they are fine for this providing your music drives/folders are well organised. Overall I would say they are the best value for money media player out there at the moment. In my opinion it surpasses the CDJ900 (itself an excellent piece of kit) in every area except the extra text line on the screen of the Pioneer. In terms of build they feel every bit as professional as the CDJs and are in fact noticably heavier- still nowhere near the feel of the old CDJ-1000 but no modern media players are. I'd also mention that for what it's worth I also vastly prefer the Engine software to Rekordbox- I know this is likely personal preference but it just has a much more user-friendly layout and the browsing functionality when linked to the players is better. If money was no object I would still take the CDJ 2000nexus / CDJ 2000mk1 ahead of them but nothing else. (Also worth remembering that even the 2000mk1 doesn't have the excellent slip-mode but the lcd display makes up for this). As somebody who has owned both, even if they were the same price I would take the 2900 over the CDJ900- but at |
| Antone Kazim 24.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by rmc
For the evening I was playing on Saturday I was running the 2900s with a combination of 4Gb memory sticks and a 320Gb powered hard drive (I hadn't had enough time to properly prep for this one so I had different tracks across 3 devices and most were new tracks that hadn't been Engine analysed yet). The players took about a second to read the drive contents but once you clicked select on a track it loaded to the player instantly- this was true for all 3 devices with no difference between the small memeory pens and the large external HD. Bottom line I wouldn't let track loading times worry you with any of the players at this level, in fact even my mate's Reloop RMP-3s load tracks from a cluttered 320Gb external HD in an instant. I would have thought that any delays that people have experienced in this area must be down to issues with the devices themselves? For what it's worth my memory sticks were only |
| Antone Kazim 23.09.2013 | I own a pair of 2900s and traded in a pair of CDJ900s to get them. For me the 2900s are superior in pretty much every area except the display- the CDJ is better in this area simply because it displays an extra line of text (making track browsing easier) but otherwise the screens are much of a muchness. The key improvements on the 2900 over the CDJ is the jog-wheel (much smoother, quieter, and resistance adjustable), and hot-cues (none on the CDJ). There are also things like the pitchbend buttons & master deck feature but I've never met anyone myself that have been big users of these things. The switch to hard plastic for the play/cue buttons means that the main gripe with Denon players has been resolved. I use mine linked to Engine software running on a small netbook- essentially to use purely as a big music crate screen. This is all controlled using the 2900s transport controls meaning I don't need to touch the netbook. I don't have any experience using them as controllers, but I have also regularly used them as stand alone players playing from usb drives (with a link cable) and aside from the single text line on the screen they are fine for this providing your music drives/folders are well organised. Overall I would say they are the best value for money media player out there at the moment. In my opinion it surpasses the CDJ900 (itself an excellent piece of kit) in every area except the extra text line on the screen of the Pioneer. In terms of build they feel every bit as professional as the CDJs and are in fact noticably heavier- still nowhere near the feel of the old CDJ-1000 but no modern media players are. I'd also mention that for what it's worth I also vastly prefer the Engine software to Rekordbox- I know this is likely personal preference but it just has a much more user-friendly layout and the browsing functionality when linked to the players is better. If money was no object I would still take the CDJ 2000nexus / CDJ 2000mk1 ahead of them but nothing else. (Also worth remembering that even the 2000mk1 doesn't have the excellent slip-mode but the lcd display makes up for this). As somebody who has owned both, even if they were the same price I would take the 2900 over the CDJ900- but at |
| Antone Kazim 24.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by rmc
For the evening I was playing on Saturday I was running the 2900s with a combination of 4Gb memory sticks and a 320Gb powered hard drive (I hadn't had enough time to properly prep for this one so I had different tracks across 3 devices and most were new tracks that hadn't been Engine analysed yet). The players took about a second to read the drive contents but once you clicked select on a track it loaded to the player instantly- this was true for all 3 devices with no difference between the small memeory pens and the large external HD. Bottom line I wouldn't let track loading times worry you with any of the players at this level, in fact even my mate's Reloop RMP-3s load tracks from a cluttered 320Gb external HD in an instant. I would have thought that any delays that people have experienced in this area must be down to issues with the devices themselves? For what it's worth my memory sticks were only |
| Antone Kazim 23.09.2013 | I own a pair of 2900s and traded in a pair of CDJ900s to get them. For me the 2900s are superior in pretty much every area except the display- the CDJ is better in this area simply because it displays an extra line of text (making track browsing easier) but otherwise the screens are much of a muchness. The key improvements on the 2900 over the CDJ is the jog-wheel (much smoother, quieter, and resistance adjustable), and hot-cues (none on the CDJ). There are also things like the pitchbend buttons & master deck feature but I've never met anyone myself that have been big users of these things. The switch to hard plastic for the play/cue buttons means that the main gripe with Denon players has been resolved. I use mine linked to Engine software running on a small netbook- essentially to use purely as a big music crate screen. This is all controlled using the 2900s transport controls meaning I don't need to touch the netbook. I don't have any experience using them as controllers, but I have also regularly used them as stand alone players playing from usb drives (with a link cable) and aside from the single text line on the screen they are fine for this providing your music drives/folders are well organised. Overall I would say they are the best value for money media player out there at the moment. In my opinion it surpasses the CDJ900 (itself an excellent piece of kit) in every area except the extra text line on the screen of the Pioneer. In terms of build they feel every bit as professional as the CDJs and are in fact noticably heavier- still nowhere near the feel of the old CDJ-1000 but no modern media players are. I'd also mention that for what it's worth I also vastly prefer the Engine software to Rekordbox- I know this is likely personal preference but it just has a much more user-friendly layout and the browsing functionality when linked to the players is better. If money was no object I would still take the CDJ 2000nexus / CDJ 2000mk1 ahead of them but nothing else. (Also worth remembering that even the 2000mk1 doesn't have the excellent slip-mode but the lcd display makes up for this). As somebody who has owned both, even if they were the same price I would take the 2900 over the CDJ900- but at |
| Antone Kazim 24.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by rmc
For the evening I was playing on Saturday I was running the 2900s with a combination of 4Gb memory sticks and a 320Gb powered hard drive (I hadn't had enough time to properly prep for this one so I had different tracks across 3 devices and most were new tracks that hadn't been Engine analysed yet). The players took about a second to read the drive contents but once you clicked select on a track it loaded to the player instantly- this was true for all 3 devices with no difference between the small memeory pens and the large external HD. Bottom line I wouldn't let track loading times worry you with any of the players at this level, in fact even my mate's Reloop RMP-3s load tracks from a cluttered 320Gb external HD in an instant. I would have thought that any delays that people have experienced in this area must be down to issues with the devices themselves? For what it's worth my memory sticks were only |
| Antone Kazim 23.09.2013 | I own a pair of 2900s and traded in a pair of CDJ900s to get them. For me the 2900s are superior in pretty much every area except the display- the CDJ is better in this area simply because it displays an extra line of text (making track browsing easier) but otherwise the screens are much of a muchness. The key improvements on the 2900 over the CDJ is the jog-wheel (much smoother, quieter, and resistance adjustable), and hot-cues (none on the CDJ). There are also things like the pitchbend buttons & master deck feature but I've never met anyone myself that have been big users of these things. The switch to hard plastic for the play/cue buttons means that the main gripe with Denon players has been resolved. I use mine linked to Engine software running on a small netbook- essentially to use purely as a big music crate screen. This is all controlled using the 2900s transport controls meaning I don't need to touch the netbook. I don't have any experience using them as controllers, but I have also regularly used them as stand alone players playing from usb drives (with a link cable) and aside from the single text line on the screen they are fine for this providing your music drives/folders are well organised. Overall I would say they are the best value for money media player out there at the moment. In my opinion it surpasses the CDJ900 (itself an excellent piece of kit) in every area except the extra text line on the screen of the Pioneer. In terms of build they feel every bit as professional as the CDJs and are in fact noticably heavier- still nowhere near the feel of the old CDJ-1000 but no modern media players are. I'd also mention that for what it's worth I also vastly prefer the Engine software to Rekordbox- I know this is likely personal preference but it just has a much more user-friendly layout and the browsing functionality when linked to the players is better. If money was no object I would still take the CDJ 2000nexus / CDJ 2000mk1 ahead of them but nothing else. (Also worth remembering that even the 2000mk1 doesn't have the excellent slip-mode but the lcd display makes up for this). As somebody who has owned both, even if they were the same price I would take the 2900 over the CDJ900- but at |
| Antone Kazim 24.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by rmc
For the evening I was playing on Saturday I was running the 2900s with a combination of 4Gb memory sticks and a 320Gb powered hard drive (I hadn't had enough time to properly prep for this one so I had different tracks across 3 devices and most were new tracks that hadn't been Engine analysed yet). The players took about a second to read the drive contents but once you clicked select on a track it loaded to the player instantly- this was true for all 3 devices with no difference between the small memeory pens and the large external HD. Bottom line I wouldn't let track loading times worry you with any of the players at this level, in fact even my mate's Reloop RMP-3s load tracks from a cluttered 320Gb external HD in an instant. I would have thought that any delays that people have experienced in this area must be down to issues with the devices themselves? For what it's worth my memory sticks were only |
| Antone Kazim 23.09.2013 | I own a pair of 2900s and traded in a pair of CDJ900s to get them. For me the 2900s are superior in pretty much every area except the display- the CDJ is better in this area simply because it displays an extra line of text (making track browsing easier) but otherwise the screens are much of a muchness. The key improvements on the 2900 over the CDJ is the jog-wheel (much smoother, quieter, and resistance adjustable), and hot-cues (none on the CDJ). There are also things like the pitchbend buttons & master deck feature but I've never met anyone myself that have been big users of these things. The switch to hard plastic for the play/cue buttons means that the main gripe with Denon players has been resolved. I use mine linked to Engine software running on a small netbook- essentially to use purely as a big music crate screen. This is all controlled using the 2900s transport controls meaning I don't need to touch the netbook. I don't have any experience using them as controllers, but I have also regularly used them as stand alone players playing from usb drives (with a link cable) and aside from the single text line on the screen they are fine for this providing your music drives/folders are well organised. Overall I would say they are the best value for money media player out there at the moment. In my opinion it surpasses the CDJ900 (itself an excellent piece of kit) in every area except the extra text line on the screen of the Pioneer. In terms of build they feel every bit as professional as the CDJs and are in fact noticably heavier- still nowhere near the feel of the old CDJ-1000 but no modern media players are. I'd also mention that for what it's worth I also vastly prefer the Engine software to Rekordbox- I know this is likely personal preference but it just has a much more user-friendly layout and the browsing functionality when linked to the players is better. If money was no object I would still take the CDJ 2000nexus / CDJ 2000mk1 ahead of them but nothing else. (Also worth remembering that even the 2000mk1 doesn't have the excellent slip-mode but the lcd display makes up for this). As somebody who has owned both, even if they were the same price I would take the 2900 over the CDJ900- but at |
| Antone Kazim 24.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by rmc
For the evening I was playing on Saturday I was running the 2900s with a combination of 4Gb memory sticks and a 320Gb powered hard drive (I hadn't had enough time to properly prep for this one so I had different tracks across 3 devices and most were new tracks that hadn't been Engine analysed yet). The players took about a second to read the drive contents but once you clicked select on a track it loaded to the player instantly- this was true for all 3 devices with no difference between the small memeory pens and the large external HD. Bottom line I wouldn't let track loading times worry you with any of the players at this level, in fact even my mate's Reloop RMP-3s load tracks from a cluttered 320Gb external HD in an instant. I would have thought that any delays that people have experienced in this area must be down to issues with the devices themselves? For what it's worth my memory sticks were only |
| Antone Kazim 23.09.2013 | I own a pair of 2900s and traded in a pair of CDJ900s to get them. For me the 2900s are superior in pretty much every area except the display- the CDJ is better in this area simply because it displays an extra line of text (making track browsing easier) but otherwise the screens are much of a muchness. The key improvements on the 2900 over the CDJ is the jog-wheel (much smoother, quieter, and resistance adjustable), and hot-cues (none on the CDJ). There are also things like the pitchbend buttons & master deck feature but I've never met anyone myself that have been big users of these things. The switch to hard plastic for the play/cue buttons means that the main gripe with Denon players has been resolved. I use mine linked to Engine software running on a small netbook- essentially to use purely as a big music crate screen. This is all controlled using the 2900s transport controls meaning I don't need to touch the netbook. I don't have any experience using them as controllers, but I have also regularly used them as stand alone players playing from usb drives (with a link cable) and aside from the single text line on the screen they are fine for this providing your music drives/folders are well organised. Overall I would say they are the best value for money media player out there at the moment. In my opinion it surpasses the CDJ900 (itself an excellent piece of kit) in every area except the extra text line on the screen of the Pioneer. In terms of build they feel every bit as professional as the CDJs and are in fact noticably heavier- still nowhere near the feel of the old CDJ-1000 but no modern media players are. I'd also mention that for what it's worth I also vastly prefer the Engine software to Rekordbox- I know this is likely personal preference but it just has a much more user-friendly layout and the browsing functionality when linked to the players is better. If money was no object I would still take the CDJ 2000nexus / CDJ 2000mk1 ahead of them but nothing else. (Also worth remembering that even the 2000mk1 doesn't have the excellent slip-mode but the lcd display makes up for this). As somebody who has owned both, even if they were the same price I would take the 2900 over the CDJ900- but at |
| Antone Kazim 24.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by rmc
For the evening I was playing on Saturday I was running the 2900s with a combination of 4Gb memory sticks and a 320Gb powered hard drive (I hadn't had enough time to properly prep for this one so I had different tracks across 3 devices and most were new tracks that hadn't been Engine analysed yet). The players took about a second to read the drive contents but once you clicked select on a track it loaded to the player instantly- this was true for all 3 devices with no difference between the small memeory pens and the large external HD. Bottom line I wouldn't let track loading times worry you with any of the players at this level, in fact even my mate's Reloop RMP-3s load tracks from a cluttered 320Gb external HD in an instant. I would have thought that any delays that people have experienced in this area must be down to issues with the devices themselves? For what it's worth my memory sticks were only |
| Antone Kazim 23.09.2013 | I own a pair of 2900s and traded in a pair of CDJ900s to get them. For me the 2900s are superior in pretty much every area except the display- the CDJ is better in this area simply because it displays an extra line of text (making track browsing easier) but otherwise the screens are much of a muchness. The key improvements on the 2900 over the CDJ is the jog-wheel (much smoother, quieter, and resistance adjustable), and hot-cues (none on the CDJ). There are also things like the pitchbend buttons & master deck feature but I've never met anyone myself that have been big users of these things. The switch to hard plastic for the play/cue buttons means that the main gripe with Denon players has been resolved. I use mine linked to Engine software running on a small netbook- essentially to use purely as a big music crate screen. This is all controlled using the 2900s transport controls meaning I don't need to touch the netbook. I don't have any experience using them as controllers, but I have also regularly used them as stand alone players playing from usb drives (with a link cable) and aside from the single text line on the screen they are fine for this providing your music drives/folders are well organised. Overall I would say they are the best value for money media player out there at the moment. In my opinion it surpasses the CDJ900 (itself an excellent piece of kit) in every area except the extra text line on the screen of the Pioneer. In terms of build they feel every bit as professional as the CDJs and are in fact noticably heavier- still nowhere near the feel of the old CDJ-1000 but no modern media players are. I'd also mention that for what it's worth I also vastly prefer the Engine software to Rekordbox- I know this is likely personal preference but it just has a much more user-friendly layout and the browsing functionality when linked to the players is better. If money was no object I would still take the CDJ 2000nexus / CDJ 2000mk1 ahead of them but nothing else. (Also worth remembering that even the 2000mk1 doesn't have the excellent slip-mode but the lcd display makes up for this). As somebody who has owned both, even if they were the same price I would take the 2900 over the CDJ900- but at |
| Antone Kazim 24.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by rmc
For the evening I was playing on Saturday I was running the 2900s with a combination of 4Gb memory sticks and a 320Gb powered hard drive (I hadn't had enough time to properly prep for this one so I had different tracks across 3 devices and most were new tracks that hadn't been Engine analysed yet). The players took about a second to read the drive contents but once you clicked select on a track it loaded to the player instantly- this was true for all 3 devices with no difference between the small memeory pens and the large external HD. Bottom line I wouldn't let track loading times worry you with any of the players at this level, in fact even my mate's Reloop RMP-3s load tracks from a cluttered 320Gb external HD in an instant. I would have thought that any delays that people have experienced in this area must be down to issues with the devices themselves? For what it's worth my memory sticks were only |
| Antone Kazim 23.09.2013 | I own a pair of 2900s and traded in a pair of CDJ900s to get them. For me the 2900s are superior in pretty much every area except the display- the CDJ is better in this area simply because it displays an extra line of text (making track browsing easier) but otherwise the screens are much of a muchness. The key improvements on the 2900 over the CDJ is the jog-wheel (much smoother, quieter, and resistance adjustable), and hot-cues (none on the CDJ). There are also things like the pitchbend buttons & master deck feature but I've never met anyone myself that have been big users of these things. The switch to hard plastic for the play/cue buttons means that the main gripe with Denon players has been resolved. I use mine linked to Engine software running on a small netbook- essentially to use purely as a big music crate screen. This is all controlled using the 2900s transport controls meaning I don't need to touch the netbook. I don't have any experience using them as controllers, but I have also regularly used them as stand alone players playing from usb drives (with a link cable) and aside from the single text line on the screen they are fine for this providing your music drives/folders are well organised. Overall I would say they are the best value for money media player out there at the moment. In my opinion it surpasses the CDJ900 (itself an excellent piece of kit) in every area except the extra text line on the screen of the Pioneer. In terms of build they feel every bit as professional as the CDJs and are in fact noticably heavier- still nowhere near the feel of the old CDJ-1000 but no modern media players are. I'd also mention that for what it's worth I also vastly prefer the Engine software to Rekordbox- I know this is likely personal preference but it just has a much more user-friendly layout and the browsing functionality when linked to the players is better. If money was no object I would still take the CDJ 2000nexus / CDJ 2000mk1 ahead of them but nothing else. (Also worth remembering that even the 2000mk1 doesn't have the excellent slip-mode but the lcd display makes up for this). As somebody who has owned both, even if they were the same price I would take the 2900 over the CDJ900- but at |
| Cassie Sangermano 20.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by no_rex4u
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| Chandra Lean 20.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by matrick
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| Chandra Lean 20.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by robdquick
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| Chandra Lean 18.09.2013 | Does anyone here own a pair? i have read many reviews stating how they are as good (if not better) than the cdj900. but i have yet to talk to anyone in a community that owns one. I own a x1700 and i know that Denon has phenomenal build quality, but does anyone here own one? I currently have a pair of Reloop RMP-3a (pretty good players, but one will only do usb, link, midi right now) i want to upgrade to sc2900's. |
| Antone Kazim 24.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by rmc
For the evening I was playing on Saturday I was running the 2900s with a combination of 4Gb memory sticks and a 320Gb powered hard drive (I hadn't had enough time to properly prep for this one so I had different tracks across 3 devices and most were new tracks that hadn't been Engine analysed yet). The players took about a second to read the drive contents but once you clicked select on a track it loaded to the player instantly- this was true for all 3 devices with no difference between the small memeory pens and the large external HD. Bottom line I wouldn't let track loading times worry you with any of the players at this level, in fact even my mate's Reloop RMP-3s load tracks from a cluttered 320Gb external HD in an instant. I would have thought that any delays that people have experienced in this area must be down to issues with the devices themselves? For what it's worth my memory sticks were only |
| Antone Kazim 23.09.2013 | I own a pair of 2900s and traded in a pair of CDJ900s to get them. For me the 2900s are superior in pretty much every area except the display- the CDJ is better in this area simply because it displays an extra line of text (making track browsing easier) but otherwise the screens are much of a muchness. The key improvements on the 2900 over the CDJ is the jog-wheel (much smoother, quieter, and resistance adjustable), and hot-cues (none on the CDJ). There are also things like the pitchbend buttons & master deck feature but I've never met anyone myself that have been big users of these things. The switch to hard plastic for the play/cue buttons means that the main gripe with Denon players has been resolved. I use mine linked to Engine software running on a small netbook- essentially to use purely as a big music crate screen. This is all controlled using the 2900s transport controls meaning I don't need to touch the netbook. I don't have any experience using them as controllers, but I have also regularly used them as stand alone players playing from usb drives (with a link cable) and aside from the single text line on the screen they are fine for this providing your music drives/folders are well organised. Overall I would say they are the best value for money media player out there at the moment. In my opinion it surpasses the CDJ900 (itself an excellent piece of kit) in every area except the extra text line on the screen of the Pioneer. In terms of build they feel every bit as professional as the CDJs and are in fact noticably heavier- still nowhere near the feel of the old CDJ-1000 but no modern media players are. I'd also mention that for what it's worth I also vastly prefer the Engine software to Rekordbox- I know this is likely personal preference but it just has a much more user-friendly layout and the browsing functionality when linked to the players is better. If money was no object I would still take the CDJ 2000nexus / CDJ 2000mk1 ahead of them but nothing else. (Also worth remembering that even the 2000mk1 doesn't have the excellent slip-mode but the lcd display makes up for this). As somebody who has owned both, even if they were the same price I would take the 2900 over the CDJ900- but at |
| Linwood Jaehnig 20.09.2013 | How is the track loading time when using USBs or External HDs? |
| Cassie Sangermano 20.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by no_rex4u
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| Chandra Lean 20.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by matrick
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| Chandra Lean 20.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by robdquick
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| Bethann Olortegui 20.09.2013 | You could always download the timecode signal onto USB if your cd players broken |
| Cassie Sangermano 20.09.2013 | I have a pair of the SC2900's, and I love them. They work fine in Traktor with midi control, but I've just started using them with MixVibes in hybrid mode, and they are brilliant. They also work fine with Denon's engine software, which I used for a good while. If you don't want to use a laptop, sticking a couple of USB drives in them and link 'em together. If you have an iPad then use the engine app, it's brilliant. |
| Linwood Jaehnig 18.09.2013 | Anyone know how the loading-time for tracks compare on the sc900s and the cdj 900s when using USBs/external hard drive? |
| Chandra Lean 18.09.2013 | i am currently running Timecode right now, and i enjoy it very much. ( one of my players crapped out) |
| Alphonso Deitchman 18.09.2013 | CDJ 900s have a clear advantage if you use laptop DJ software as they support HID control in all the major apps, whereas Denon players are stuck with MIDI and timecode. |
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