Z2 live input. Traktor FX on real vinyl

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Z2 live input. Traktor FX on real vinyl
Posted on: 03.01.2013 by Hipolito Scionti
So, if I were to get a Z2 (hypothets) can i use traktor's fx on real vinyl via live input or whatevs?

Thanks
Harley Zitka
03.02.2013
Originally Posted by D-Kem
This is already a known issue if using thru on the audio 6/10. NI really dropped the ball here http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=139157
It's not a "known issue"... it's just how it works.
Danae Dumler
31.01.2013
Originally Posted by spadenation
haha ya man! 2021 actually.
Can you tell us if flexible beatgrids have finally been implemented in Traktor 6.0 or will we have to wait for Traktor 7? :-P
Corie Murtagh
31.01.2013
Originally Posted by djproben
It has nothing to do with mp3. The thing is the digital files are louder, not quieter, as compared to vinyl processed through the live input. Nobody else is having this issue? I must be doing something wrong....


Are you from the future?
haha ya man! 2021 actually. that was a typo though. was supposed to say 2.6.0
Lashay Walchak
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by djproben
It has nothing to do with mp3. The thing is the digital files are louder, not quieter, as compared to vinyl processed through the live input. Nobody else is having this issue? I must be doing something wrong....


Are you from the future?
I believe your spot on actually. Mine plays through much quieter than most of my other files. I will be cranking the gain(s) when I sample to get a nice full signal and waveform.
Danae Dumler
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by spadenation
well all my library is in lossless .aiff except for a small amount that i couldn't get in lossless.

However i can confirm that there is no difference in volume between switching from vinyl to digital lossless audio.

maybe it is that you are noticing the difference between a mp3 and lossless audio. neither should sound louder though. mp3's should just sound more harsh than vinyl.
It has nothing to do with mp3. The thing is the digital files are louder, not quieter, as compared to vinyl processed through the live input. Nobody else is having this issue? I must be doing something wrong....

i have Traktor scratch 6.0 btw
Are you from the future?
Shad Rametta
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by spadenation
well all my library is in lossless......I can confirm that there is no difference in volume between switching from vinyl to digital lossless audio.
That's what I figured.......thanks for clarifying that for me, Spadenation!!
Deeanna Gripshover
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by blackavenger
^ you can ^

that's the whole point of this thread.
Sorry man it's been a long day, not around my computer at the mo so was confusing direct thru with live input in my head. I'll definitely be giving it a whirl tomorrow. Cheers.
Ninfa Mazariegos
03.02.2013		What I dislike most is the noticeable drop in volume when using the fx send/return. The main db meter levels on my 707 drop a full 3db when I press the fx send button. Kind of makes me not want to use it.
Lauretta Ehrhorn
02.02.2013		Or how it doesn't really work at all.
Harley Zitka
03.02.2013
Originally Posted by D-Kem
This is already a known issue if using thru on the audio 6/10. NI really dropped the ball here http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=139157
It's not a "known issue"... it's just how it works.
Lauretta Ehrhorn
03.02.2013		This is already a known issue if using thru on the audio 6/10. NI really dropped the ball here http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=139157
Corie Murtagh
03.02.2013		ya they sure did. shortly after you became a traktor developer in 2018
Danae Dumler
31.01.2013
Originally Posted by spadenation
haha ya man! 2021 actually.
Can you tell us if flexible beatgrids have finally been implemented in Traktor 6.0 or will we have to wait for Traktor 7? :-P
Corie Murtagh
31.01.2013
Originally Posted by djproben
It has nothing to do with mp3. The thing is the digital files are louder, not quieter, as compared to vinyl processed through the live input. Nobody else is having this issue? I must be doing something wrong....


Are you from the future?
haha ya man! 2021 actually. that was a typo though. was supposed to say 2.6.0
Ninfa Mazariegos
30.01.2013		For me, playing vinyl direct thru with an external mixer and an audio10 is around 2db quieter than with timecode. Live input is much quieter. You can map a button to switch between a track deck, a remix deck, or a live input, but not direct through. You know, the important one. Direct through is hardware based and therefore only switchable with a mouse.
I use FX both pre and post fader depending on the effect. Not sure about how all this compares with the Z2 though, but thats how it works with an external interface.
Shad Rametta
29.01.2013		Oh, so it's as I feared then.....damn, I need to get on someone's Traktor setup and test this for myself.
Lashay Walchak
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by djproben
It has nothing to do with mp3. The thing is the digital files are louder, not quieter, as compared to vinyl processed through the live input. Nobody else is having this issue? I must be doing something wrong....


Are you from the future?
I believe your spot on actually. Mine plays through much quieter than most of my other files. I will be cranking the gain(s) when I sample to get a nice full signal and waveform.
Danae Dumler
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by spadenation
well all my library is in lossless .aiff except for a small amount that i couldn't get in lossless.

However i can confirm that there is no difference in volume between switching from vinyl to digital lossless audio.

maybe it is that you are noticing the difference between a mp3 and lossless audio. neither should sound louder though. mp3's should just sound more harsh than vinyl.
It has nothing to do with mp3. The thing is the digital files are louder, not quieter, as compared to vinyl processed through the live input. Nobody else is having this issue? I must be doing something wrong....

i have Traktor scratch 6.0 btw
Are you from the future?
Shad Rametta
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by spadenation
well all my library is in lossless......I can confirm that there is no difference in volume between switching from vinyl to digital lossless audio.
That's what I figured.......thanks for clarifying that for me, Spadenation!!
Corie Murtagh
29.01.2013		well all my library is in lossless .aiff except for a small amount that i couldn't get in lossless.

However i can confirm that there is no difference in volume between switching from vinyl to digital lossless audio.

maybe it is that you are noticing the difference between a mp3 and lossless audio. neither should sound louder though. mp3's should just sound more harsh than vinyl. i have Traktor scratch 6.0 btw
Deeanna Gripshover
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by blackavenger
^ you can ^

that's the whole point of this thread.
Sorry man it's been a long day, not around my computer at the mo so was confusing direct thru with live input in my head. I'll definitely be giving it a whirl tomorrow. Cheers.
Shad Rametta
29.01.2013
Which one is quieter? I mean, it's no different than mixing Real Vinyl & an MP3
(where you have to gain down the Real Vinyl or gain up the MP3) is it?

If one or the other is "extremely" quieter/louder than the other, I doubt I'll
be using that option very much.
Originally Posted by sobi
Vinyl comes in a lot hotter than MP3's.
Does the same behavior transpire when using WAVs or FLACs?

What I am trying to get at is whether Live Input is something that
"dramatically" heats the signal, or if this is just normal behavior of
all DVS' when you try to mix a Lossy 320 w' an obviously Lossless
Vinyl record.

Thanks for any help in clarifying this for me
Danae Dumler
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by Daw-z
Sorry I thought you meant you can use traktor effects on real vinyl
You can - if you have real vinyl playing through live input, you can apply traktor effects to it.
Shad Rametta
29.01.2013		^ you can ^

that's the whole point of this thread.
Deeanna Gripshover
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by DJ SB
Change your virtual deck(s) to live input instead of timecode.
Sorry I thought you meant you can use traktor effects on real vinyl
Danae Dumler
29.01.2013		Hotter means quieter?? When I run regular vinyl through the "live input" I have to crank the gain in order to be consistent with the mp3 volumes. Am I doing something wrong? I always assumed hotter meant louder....
Halley Wurzer
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by Daw-z
How do you do this without a z2? I have a DJM 909 and an audio 6.

Thanks
Change your virtual deck(s) to live input instead of timecode.
Shad Rametta
29.01.2013
Vinyl comes in a lot hotter than MP3's.
Okay, well that's true w' all DVS'.
That's not a problem at all.....already used to that.
Deeanna Gripshover
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by djproben
you can do this without a Z2 so no reason you shouldn't be able to do it with one. My only problem is the massive volume difference between real vinyl and the computer; be prepared to compensate for that (unless the Z2 has fixed that bug).
How do you do this without a z2? I have a DJM 909 and an audio 6.

Thanks
Darren Teboe
29.01.2013		Vinyl comes in a lot hotter than MP3's.
Shad Rametta
29.01.2013
My only problem is the massive volume difference between real vinyl and the computer
Which one is quieter? I mean, it's no different than mixing Real Vinyl & an MP3
(where you have to gain down the Real Vinyl or gain up the MP3) is it?

If one or the other is "extremely" quieter/louder than the other, I doubt I'll
be using that option very much.
Danae Dumler
29.01.2013		you can do this without a Z2 so no reason you shouldn't be able to do it with one. My only problem is the massive volume difference between real vinyl and the computer; be prepared to compensate for that (unless the Z2 has fixed that bug).
Arnulfo Morten
29.01.2013		works fine still have to run it through laptop and traktor. I've never tried it in stand alone mixer mode though
Corie Murtagh
30.01.2013		i actually have this option mapped out to my sync button as i don't use it
Corie Murtagh
30.01.2013		nope but you can easily map this to a keyboard shortcut by selecting deck flavor selector for deck a or b in the mapping area.
Shad Rametta
29.01.2013
Originally Posted by brocklambert
Works great... shortcut to set decks to live inputs is Shift + Traktor Button on the Z2.
Do you know if their is a keyboard shortcut?
I mean, obviously the mixer shortcut is ideal, but I was just wondering.
Harley Zitka
03.01.2013		Works great... shortcut to set decks to live inputs is Shift + Traktor Button on the Z2.
Hipolito Scionti
03.01.2013		Anyone done it? photojojo?
Hipolito Scionti
03.01.2013
Originally Posted by Emery
yup
Much latency?
Geri Jarra
03.01.2013		yup

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