Do you think........ ? (Ean Golden plz answer)
Do you think........ ? (Ean Golden plz answer) Posted on: 29.07.2012 by Ardell Lafranchi This is something I have always wondered and knowing that this is the closest i could probably get to actually speaking to someone with so much background in the EDM Scene i figure i might as well ask, because i feel that now since producers/djs are the big believe Skrillex, Afro, Deadmau5, Porter Robinson, Wolfgagner, knife party, figure, etc. all are huge producer/djs. If im not mistake djs way back when, just simply played vinyls and music for that matter and didnt produce.Do you believe you have to be a producer to make it as a big dj? Do you believe this makes it so much harder for the regular Dj (non producer) to get out there? How does one try and make there break through in such a segregated scene such as what the EDM scene is becoming today? **As you said in a previous article you wrote about All age rockstar of EDM That we are the future of the EDM world. If thats the case, how the hell do we continue something that we arent allowed to be a part of due to lack of "said expectation"? Looking for professional Opinions, but personal opinions are of course welcome as always.. I would Email you Ean but i wouldnt know how to contact u via email (what email address). (If you do answer this it would be ultimately appreciated!!!!) 27wonka | |
Ardell Lafranchi 04.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by EanGolden
/Professionalresponse Thanks for the Input and the time to reply! Individuality, Skill, and product are definitely 3 big keys to being successful! Alot has changed for myself since i posted this question a long long time ago but i simply reread and bumped for those with this question in mind as i was at that point on trying to figure this out in which direction i should aim towards! /fanboymoment EAN ACTUALLY ANSWERED MY QUESTION!! OMG OMG *JUMPS UP N DOWN For real though! This is awesome!!! Dwonka |
Nana Mohs 14.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by EanGolden
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14.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by Emery
Inventing controllers, making great videos and building a popular website did much more to increase my fame (which was never then intention, and came as a surprise) than dedicating years to my dj craft. So to answer the core question (which is something we talked about a LOT on the CNTRL tour)
so in my mind you need both and production happens to be the most well worn path to success. good question! |
Takisha Hodulik 30.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Dwonka27
Originally Posted by Dwonka27
The other thing is that producers are more recognized now than before. Skrillex winning grammys shows this. Here is a really good blog post on the matter. Summed up, it explains what Skrillex winning grammys wins to the industry (comparing it to, among other things, how hip-hop/RnB singers would always get the recognition and the producers of the track would be largely ignored, etc.) Now, let's talk about the other 1% (which may even be less for that matter). One thing that must be understood is what you consider "making it big". Does that mean getting to the point that you can live off of DJing alone (not SUPER rich by any means, just being able to live off tat as your sole income)? Or being a top tier name (along the recognized acts such as Avicii, Tiesto, Skrillex, Porter Robinson, etc)? I know many DJs that make a stable living DJing around town. And that's doable. But there are countless factors that determine if you can make it or not (a big one being connections). Also, people must understand that every single scene is different. Even if two towns/cities are 30 minutes apart, they are different int he way the scene is structured. Now, if you mean big-name famous, that basically revolves around connections as well. I mean, you can be a good DJ, but it is far-less recognized compared to the past and, as Maven already stated, a lot of the good DJs from before are producing now. At most, good DJs get booked as opening support for tours or festivals. But again, that's mainly through connections.
Originally Posted by Dwonka27
Originally Posted by Dwonka27
**As you said in a previous article you wrote about All age rockstar of EDM That we are the future of the EDM world. If thats the case, how the hell do we continue something that we arent allowed to be a part of due to lack of "said expectation"?[/QUOTE] |
Efrain Scharr 05.02.2013 | Its not 1990 anymore. Unless you got grandfathered in, or something else (like in Ean's case) makes you famous, you need to produce. With the advancement of technologies more and more each, it allows for most any asshole to DJ, and even be quite good at it. Now it is even getting to that point with production. Luckily there are many people out there more terrible at producing than DJing. These new terrible producers can buy tracks and call them their own, but they need good money to do it. |
Ardell Lafranchi 04.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by EanGolden
/Professionalresponse Thanks for the Input and the time to reply! Individuality, Skill, and product are definitely 3 big keys to being successful! Alot has changed for myself since i posted this question a long long time ago but i simply reread and bumped for those with this question in mind as i was at that point on trying to figure this out in which direction i should aim towards! /fanboymoment EAN ACTUALLY ANSWERED MY QUESTION!! OMG OMG *JUMPS UP N DOWN For real though! This is awesome!!! Dwonka |
Rolanda Clodfelder 15.01.2013 |
Carl Cox has been doing it for years, but I heard of him because of his famous three deck mixes
Can just imagine a complete Newbie get zapped back 20 years questioning everything... "why isn't he using the loop, remix decks, effects, EQ, filters ... Are you serious - there's not even Channel EQ's" |
Brunilda Gamez 14.01.2013 | It seems to me this is a popular question! Although there are somethings that need to be taken into consideration. 1. Djs who produce make it big because of their production skills. They are PRODUCERS. Dj'ing happens to go hand in hand with producing because it is the way to showcase your tunes. Think about it this way. When a rock band makes a song, they perform it live at a show right? Well it is the same exact thing for these producers but because it is virtually impossible to recreate the song live, the producers dj in order to showcase their songs. 2. You can become a dj without being a producer. The industry does have high standards now but if you are a phenomenal dj you will get recognized. Just look at how pioneer picked up Braindead to do a video for the new ddj sx. Also dj tech tools own Ean Golden and his videos/collaborations with Native Instruments. Being a dj without becoming a producer is possible! 3. I am sure I speak for everyone when I say PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT! Thanks and please check me out on FB www.facebook.com/djchrisastro and youtube at www.youtube.com/djchrisastro ... Hope this helped! |
Nana Mohs 14.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by EanGolden
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14.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by Emery
Inventing controllers, making great videos and building a popular website did much more to increase my fame (which was never then intention, and came as a surprise) than dedicating years to my dj craft. So to answer the core question (which is something we talked about a LOT on the CNTRL tour)
so in my mind you need both and production happens to be the most well worn path to success. good question! |
Brooke Cary 13.01.2013 | Try starting out producing on a really small scale (bootlegs and remixes) which will get you farther along than just DJing alone. I've found that when trying to get gigs it helps a lot to show stuff that you can really say is yours. Plus, a 3 minute remix is a lot easier to listen to than a 30 minute mix, which might help promoters get to know your style more, even if it doesn't really show your DJing skill. |
Ardell Lafranchi 13.01.2013 | This is a couple months old but i put this up a long time ago rereading over the article i thought there was some very eligible information for those curious!! |
Sylvia Greener 30.07.2012 | There was a nice article about this on DigitalDjTips where they stated nowadays it's not mainly about skills. The people being offered a DJ slot are mainly people that have a huge community (Facebook, Twitter, local...) or people that have great own music productions. The complete article is here: http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2012/07...e-for-mortals/ |
Takisha Hodulik 30.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Dwonka27
Originally Posted by Dwonka27
The other thing is that producers are more recognized now than before. Skrillex winning grammys shows this. Here is a really good blog post on the matter. Summed up, it explains what Skrillex winning grammys wins to the industry (comparing it to, among other things, how hip-hop/RnB singers would always get the recognition and the producers of the track would be largely ignored, etc.) Now, let's talk about the other 1% (which may even be less for that matter). One thing that must be understood is what you consider "making it big". Does that mean getting to the point that you can live off of DJing alone (not SUPER rich by any means, just being able to live off tat as your sole income)? Or being a top tier name (along the recognized acts such as Avicii, Tiesto, Skrillex, Porter Robinson, etc)? I know many DJs that make a stable living DJing around town. And that's doable. But there are countless factors that determine if you can make it or not (a big one being connections). Also, people must understand that every single scene is different. Even if two towns/cities are 30 minutes apart, they are different int he way the scene is structured. Now, if you mean big-name famous, that basically revolves around connections as well. I mean, you can be a good DJ, but it is far-less recognized compared to the past and, as Maven already stated, a lot of the good DJs from before are producing now. At most, good DJs get booked as opening support for tours or festivals. But again, that's mainly through connections.
Originally Posted by Dwonka27
Originally Posted by Dwonka27
**As you said in a previous article you wrote about All age rockstar of EDM That we are the future of the EDM world. If thats the case, how the hell do we continue something that we arent allowed to be a part of due to lack of "said expectation"?[/QUOTE] |
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 30.07.2012 | radio dj's get exclusives, you probably don't... so you either need to get into a type of role where you can launch a producers career, this could mean a radio station, club evening
or blog and get exclusives to play in sets before releasing them to the world through your media outlet or you need to be a producer... The problem with the internet is as soon as something is released then everyone has it, so you need to produce to have anything valuable to market yourself with on any type of club/festival circuit. James Zabiela was Sasha's friend I have one of his first mixes for groovetech and absolutely love it as it is amazing prog house and breaks which there is a real sense of a journey listening to it. But his offering to djing was his video's on the pioneer efx1000 using it for things that most wouldn't even believe of. That's what shined the spotlight on him, his taste in music kept him there. The only other dj's I can believe of are Andy C, who is a terrible producer but he is the owner of RAM Records the biggest label in Drum n Bass and they don't call him the "executioner" for nothing. Chris Liberator he is a techno god and every set I have seen was amazing, he ran a club in London and was big in the underground warehouse scene with his brother. Carl Cox has been doing it for years and a techno pioneer with a knack for good party vibes, but I heard of him because of his famous three deck mixes... The thing every strict dj has in common is they all gave something to the scene through skill or opportunity, what can you give? |
Janyce Henningson 30.07.2012 | Pete Tong was dj'ing in the 70s.. He isn't a dj because of radio 1 - he's on Radio 1 because he's a dj. Agree about Annie Mac though. |
Ardell Lafranchi 30.07.2012 | I just want to state this was from pure curiosity but kind of ironic i post this then get an opportunity to open for a buddy of mine who would be opening up for adventure club therefore i would be opening up for Adventure Club but neways im not getting into this because of money im getting into this because i love music any genre as long as it gives me chills im sold. Ive been involved with music sine i was in the 4th grade. I played the trumpet for 8 years and the piano for 3. Ive always loved music and was wondering if it was even a possibility to get recognized from Style, and talent for djing. thanks everyone whose replied so far. 27wonka PS. Still no Ean :'( ' ' |
Latina Samon 30.07.2012 | It's fairly clear that most big DJ's are producers too. It's how a lot of them start getting bigger gigs. Obviously there are exceptions like Tong and Annie Mac as previously mentioned, who were made famous by being radio DJ's and got their big gigs that way. James Zabiela is a huge DJ who isn't really noted for his producing to be honest. But what he does is different to a lot of others and he creates his own thing and he goes along anyway. |
Audrey Pinda 30.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by souldancer
It's a tough game out there. And it really is the basis of the argument that was talked much about before, stemming from Deadmau5's article "We all press play" or whatever. There are DJ's, there are producers, there are some that do both, and there are some that are really best suited to one or the other. Personally, I love producers for what they do. And many are AWESOME DJ's as well, but it doesn't come hand in hand. As much as I like the songs I love played back at me, I always want something more... a STORY from the mix. And some people can nail it, and some people can't. What it comes down to is having fun. If you start doing remix's and edits of well known tracks, and playing them out, it won't necessarily label you as a producer but it will give you a complete edge as a DJ. But then again, it's a totally different set of skills. Being a well-rounded musician isn't easy. You just have to do what you enjoy, and do the best you can at it. Hope that your hard work pays off and you're able to maintain having fun. I see too many people getting into it for the wrong reasons, then a few months down the line selling their gear or letting it collect dust. You have to have a passion for this. Not only sharing music with people, but playing it. And you can't let the drugs, scene, girls/boys cloud your love of the music, or you're bound to fail. |
Bunny Collie 29.07.2012 | I would say no especially if you are budding DJ in England all you need to do before is be a radio DJ, look at Pete Tong he's never produced anything on his own and has always been a collaboration with someone else. They choose him because he knows the tracks and what are good parts and sounds to mix but he never physically puts them together. Also look at Annie Mac another Radio Dj never produced anything and people que up to see them mix other peoples tracks mainly because they know what the crowds want to hear ! For EXAMPLE : |
Shalon Jaranilla 29.07.2012 | See a lot of youngsters aiming big, off course nothing wrong with that, but there is nothing bad in going the old school way first, learn how to read the crowd, get them moving, experience what it is to stand in front of a crowd and be responsible for the ambiance your trying to create. Learn from your first mistakes and laugh about it later. It's just such a small group of dj's that climbing the big podium, a lot of us are doing bars, small clubs or mobile work. And there is nothing wrong with that, and still lots of fun. Producing can be the next step, with all the changing technology. But try to get your first gigs or do little parties for your friends, and get that live experience. That's what i would first try to stick my energy in. Dj'ing is about having fun and getting that rush after a well done performance and that doesn't matter if it's for a small or big crowd. |
Darren Teboe 29.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Emery
Originally Posted by Emery
Originally Posted by Emery
Originally Posted by Emery
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Roseanna Signorini 29.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Emery
It used to be that producers just produced and singers got the credit for the song. Like just as an example..."Titanium" is David Guetta featuring Sia. If this was 30 years ago, it would just but "Titanium" by Sia, we wouldn't know who David Guetta is. Its like saying "I feel Love" is Giorgio Moroder featuring Donna Summer. The EDM DJ isn't really a DJ but an EDM artist. Oh and if you don't know who Giorgio Moroder is or you never heard "I feel Love" and you call yourself an EDM producer, look it up...know your history. |
Jacque Divinity 29.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Dwonka27
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Kellie Myrum 29.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Dwonka27
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Geri Jarra 29.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Dwonka27
OHHH EANNNNN COME OUT TO PLAYYYY |
Ardell Lafranchi 29.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Emery
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Ardell Lafranchi 29.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Emery
And for the record the Johnny Cash reference was pretty spot on imo... 27wonka Ps: i would also feel super cool if he'd answer my questions!! |
Geri Jarra 29.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by VincentCools
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Geri Jarra 29.07.2012 | And no offense to you or Ean, but why are you asking him specifically? Do you consider Ean famous for DJ'ing? I personally don't. Now here me out - I have never seen Ean live, but from what I have seen online he is an awesome DJ, It just isn't what got him famous. It is how he started out, but what got him to where he is today is a combination of the DJTT community s, and the Midi Fighter. There are probably a lot of DJ's on here that are just as skilled, and just as well known for actually DJ'ing. Ean would probably tell you that the way to get famous is to create something that hasn't been created yet. No matter if it is a new song or a new controller. |
Janella Gripe 29.07.2012 | The best way to get know by the crowd is by creating awesome remixes. With remixes you can give your "signature" to a certain song and the crowd knows who is standing behind the dj decks. A good method to do this is by using some producing programs like ableton and reason for example. When you know how to use this programs the step to make your own music isn't far away anymore. Producing is just a big advantage in the EDM scene today |
Buena Roth 29.07.2012 | Those guys you said don't actually dj, they get hired to play their music, much like a band or hip-hop artist has a concert. A dj is hired to put together music, whether he made it or not. Just plain jane djs rarely get famous because of this, with the exception of several in the dj world but if you asked the average joe who they were, they wouldn't know. It's just the way it works. |
Geri Jarra 29.07.2012 | Ok correct me if I am wrong here but wouldn't a club DJ be considered the "Cover band" that gets hired to rock parties and fill out clubs, when the Live DJ/Producer would be considered the "Rockstar band" famous for creating hit tracks? The way I see it is these DJ's back in the day were famous for being DJ's.. You only knew and liked them because you saw them mixing someone else's tracks in a club. Today it is the exact the same thing. You can be a famous DJ, but you will only be known in the Club scene. People wouldn't know you for your music, because your music is technically someone else's music. Now that EDM is so popular, there is a better chance for an EDM producer to make it big because people are looking for the next big EDM track to put on their Ipod. The DJ, however, isn't really creating anything to show for outside of the club (besides remixes and whatnot) Think of it this way (and I am using a completely random example for this) - Imagine if Johnny Cash never wrote his own music, but just covered other peoples songs. He may have had a different sound, but it's not a new song, so most people wouldn't be too interested. He would get booked for gig's because he is such a good musician, but that is the furthest he would be able to go. Because he did write and "produce" his own music, he is famous for it and could tour all over the world because people wanted to hear HIM play HIS songs. In short, and pardon my rant, I believe it's pretty clear that to make it to superstar status in the EDM scene (and any music/art scene) you need to create something that is truly yours, that people know is you when they hear it. I personally am OK with being a DJ and rocking parties and just being known locally as a good DJ. It wont get me on the cover of Rolling Stone, but I have fun. But now look at Avicii, hes huge, and not for DJ'ing, but literally for making one track that every other DJ in the scene played over and over. |
Freida Leash 29.07.2012 | It has been this way for quite some time, just about as long as I can remember. While there are DJs that just DJ, the largest names with the international following have also been producers, even back in the days when they were just playing vinyl. The reason I liked attending these events, they have dubplate upon top dubplate of unreleased tunes and remixes from their collection and the upper echelon of the music scene. Today I hear it is different and they spray cake out of hoses or something while crowd surfing with a CD playing the album release. |
Yukiko Beauvil 29.07.2012 | Pretty much yes. You have to be a producer to make it as a big DJ. That is the most common way nowadays. Or... You can be a great DJ like A-trak, win DMC etc, even A-trak produces nowadays. I guess...lol |
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