The proper S4 comparison poll
The proper S4 comparison poll Posted on: 20.08.2010 by Dorcas Bassignani OK,so hopefully the VCI100 comparisons are over and done with, let's get down to real business with new controllers on the horizon We have the S4 Sitting at around | |
| Freeman Ciezki 19.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by Str8upDrew
it did http://4midiloop.bassdas.ch/en/order/ didnt it? 1300 euros |
| Eleonora Musico 19.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by djproben
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| Julissa Serrone 13.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by SkyLinez
100 = Sound Card 125 = Midi FIgher 100 = Traktor Pro Upgrade 825.00 (with just one MF) For 899.00 I would get an S4. Thats just me though. Im sure for folks who style of play is tailored other ways the above set up suits them better. I believe the S4 offers much more than any other 4 deck controller. My biggest selling point are the HID Jogs, and the 1:1 with the new software. |
| Danae Dumler 13.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by hallicious
erm, I was posting after watching the video below; just remembered the one posted is the other guy, who is also pretty kick ass... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRq0zaaNjNM |
| Eleonora Musico 12.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by Brainstormcrib
Thanks for sharing. |
| Sulema Holzer 12.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by Yul
___ I found this o you tube last evening . I'm really getting crazy "obsessed" about this thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOIQA...eature=related They are doing some scratching ... but mostly I was happy to see someone actually experimenting some hands on it. I wanna see if withstands a good tossing, turning, packing, unpacking, plugging, unplugging. You know!? Im pretty sure is worth the money. I would prefer NO lOGO Jogs from the DJTT "live unit". I also notice the filters are the same knobs as the EQ knobs in some units out there on the BPM 2010. And some are the short kind. I wrecking the DJTT unit (should) be the one going on production. I really hope NI make a good solid first release, instead of a 1st MK and an upgraded MK later like they did with Maschine. Because I ordered mine already. Im trusting on this gear to have an excellent overall quality. HOPING FOR THE BEST. Already jump the gun now NI. Don't let me Down !!!!! Durability for this console has to be surpassing in order for this to become a valid evolving concept of Djing, no only a one to one temporary solution. |
| Dorcas Bassignani 20.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by photojojo
i'm feeling the denon more atm, not sure why just something about it... |
| Jacqulyn Shoemo 20.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by SkyLinez
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| Treva Carinio 26.10.2010 | The big problem with the DX for me is the crappy support from A&H. I've had problems with my X1's, some faders didn't output a midi signal anymore. Contacted A&H supporter, redirected me to the technical support of Holland, they couldn't help me. The belgian technical support doesn't reply to my emails. And also, idk how it works with the DX. But the lack of a decent simple software tool to adjust things on the device, like for example the CC messages or notes behind the knobs is a big let down for me. They make sturdy devices, but the logic behind it is a bit too cave-man for me. |
| Freeman Ciezki 19.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by Str8upDrew
it did http://4midiloop.bassdas.ch/en/order/ didnt it? 1300 euros |
| Janett Dal 19.10.2010 | Keep in mind that Numark has released a teaser that they are readying a 4 channel MIDI mixer a la the DX to be coming soon. If it is built like the V7s are, then it should a valid contender to compete with the choices you have. But it is not yet released beyond the teaser made available to Scratchworx at this point. |
| Onie Sarandos 19.10.2010 | Still itching to put my hands on the S4 and the Denon. If I had any hint that the S4 was coming out this year, I would have held off getting my VCI100SE (550) Audio 4 DJ (200) and TP upgrade (139), which pretty much runs the same price for less features. oh well. In any event, my preliminary choice is the S4. Although, I know a few people who have the DX and love it, no problems. Not sure why so many prior posters feel that its automatically out of the equation. |
| Eleonora Musico 19.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by djproben
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| Sharyn Prado 13.10.2010 | Having bought a xone dx in the past and sent it back due to glitches, Im not sure I would be willing to trust one piece of kit to do everything, if something falls over your trapped with a unit that only partly works. The S4 is tempting, and the jog wheels look nice, but unless your a scratch mixer or have the time and ambition to learn that level of dexterity is there any point? Even then would the scratch be as satifying as the real thing... (maybe it would be better... due to reliablity and less needle skipping) Im impressed with my midi fighter and can't wait for my other one to arrive and the x1... |
| Marshall Aby 13.10.2010 | Money wise, you get Traktor with the S4 but not with the other 2, so it's the S4 for me. Not that I'm getting one. |
| Julissa Serrone 13.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by SkyLinez
100 = Sound Card 125 = Midi FIgher 100 = Traktor Pro Upgrade 825.00 (with just one MF) For 899.00 I would get an S4. Thats just me though. Im sure for folks who style of play is tailored other ways the above set up suits them better. I believe the S4 offers much more than any other 4 deck controller. My biggest selling point are the HID Jogs, and the 1:1 with the new software. |
| Danae Dumler 13.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by hallicious
erm, I was posting after watching the video below; just remembered the one posted is the other guy, who is also pretty kick ass... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRq0zaaNjNM |
| Audrey Pinda 12.10.2010 | Hands down, the S4 is the controller to beat if you are going to be using Traktor. If you are using another piece of software (VDJ or Ableton) I believe the others may have more sway. |
| Eleonora Musico 12.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by Brainstormcrib
Thanks for sharing. |
| Tyisha Towle 12.10.2010 | I saw a teardown vid of the DX.... there was quite a bit of plastic.... but then again, most of my Akai gear is plastic.... whatever that means. All-in-one gear is no more susceptible to show stopping breakdowns as separates... each piece is a basket with all your eggs if you believe about it. As long as the laptop and soundcard still work, the show will likely go on. Surprisingly enough, there aren't too many threads talking about failing VCI's or Hercules, etc... based on the comments, it confirms what I've been believeing... unless you make your own controller, you might have to make some compromises. Assuming the S4 delivers on its claims and specs... it's gonna be the one to beat... 1:1 tactile control with its software build quality HD jogs that allow scratching (+1000) solid drivers after seeing IF2's S4 vids I've finally dropped "spinning platters" off my list of functional requirements. |
| Sulema Holzer 12.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by Yul
___ I found this o you tube last evening . I'm really getting crazy "obsessed" about this thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOIQA...eature=related They are doing some scratching ... but mostly I was happy to see someone actually experimenting some hands on it. I wanna see if withstands a good tossing, turning, packing, unpacking, plugging, unplugging. You know!? Im pretty sure is worth the money. I would prefer NO lOGO Jogs from the DJTT "live unit". I also notice the filters are the same knobs as the EQ knobs in some units out there on the BPM 2010. And some are the short kind. I wrecking the DJTT unit (should) be the one going on production. I really hope NI make a good solid first release, instead of a 1st MK and an upgraded MK later like they did with Maschine. Because I ordered mine already. Im trusting on this gear to have an excellent overall quality. HOPING FOR THE BEST. Already jump the gun now NI. Don't let me Down !!!!! Durability for this console has to be surpassing in order for this to become a valid evolving concept of Djing, no only a one to one temporary solution. |
| Dorcas Bassignani 20.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by photojojo
i'm feeling the denon more atm, not sure why just something about it... |
| Jacqulyn Shoemo 20.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by SkyLinez
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| Delinda Canant 20.08.2010 | as I am a beginner and the S4 will be out of my price range for the foreseeable future, I believe a VCI 100 and 2 Midi Fighters would be a more logical choice, given i could get each piece when I could afford it and when I grow into the skillset to use them, the support/mapping from DJTT and the opportunity for expansion onto your setup. Don't get me wrong tho, if I had the money - I would get an S4. It looks ballin, more importantly - the software looks ballin. It looks to me as they are going into Ableton's territory with the sampler. I believe it is very creative, and will allow for crazy mixes. |
| Kecia Wnukowski 20.08.2010 | Will the 4midiloop (if it exists one day for the market) have an integrated soundcard? If not, it's not the same family type as the rest of the above mentioned products. |
| Danae Dumler 20.08.2010 | yeah I'm lookin forward to seeing the 4midiloop too... out of these the S4 would be my choice by far, if you're gonna have jog wheels they might as well be usable ones, and I don't believe you'll get that from the others. The loop screen is really a cool feature too. But I won't be getting any of these, still happy with the vci-100 with djtt's crazy mapping; I haven't even come close to exhausting the possibilities of this controller. I do want the new software though and I hope there's a vci-100 djtt mapping to accompany it that takes advantage of the new features when it comes out. And this is just me but personally I like having the sound card as a separate unit from the controller; even though it's more of a pain in the ass to set up and lug around, I have less concerns about interference with sound quality (though I'm sure these units all sound just fine) and I have more control over ins and outs that way in case NI ever does add a "booth output" to the software (which it badly needs imho....). Jog wheels you can actually scratch on are very enticing but in the end I'm pretty sure I'd rather scratch an actual turntable no matter how good the jogs are. |
| Kandy Ahdoot 20.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by str8updrew
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| Kecia Wnukowski 21.08.2010 | I'm going to overlook on purpose the Denon. Too cramped and I'm not fond of the layout. I already own a DX but I've studied the S4 (for the few info we already got). What's below is with Traktor in mind and custom mapping only. What I really like about the S4: - the led feedback (several colors on each button available it seems like for hotcues - green for loop, etc...) - touch sensitive jogwheel (even if I don't scratch) - the tiny screen where you can see the loop length. Now this is quite important for me but it really matters only if you can still benefit from it while pasing from HID to midi (custom mapping). - knobs both for gain (encoders) and filters The DX: - built like a tank so you're not afraid to bang it like any other Xone product. - works on 5 midi channel. This is really important for me. It allows for more complex mappings. - the deck sections have a bit more buttons available than the S4 (by the way I really would have liked the S4 to have another row of buttons available). - booth level from the soundcard (no booth output/function within TP..meh... Will that change?) - eack deck section working with either a green or red code color. It's clear and avoids potential confusion. - I like the encoder+push button on the FX units, some may not but I see it as an advantage. I know the sound of the DX but I trust the S4 to have quality sound too. The lack of a row of another knobs on the DX is not that important as I manage the gain for each deck with the deck's shift+ the central encoder. I can live without the sensitive jogwheel (but having ones is cool of course). I'll be ready to change for the S4 only if: The unit works on several midi channels I keep the benefit of the screen when using a custom mapping. If not, there's no point for me to change. Of course I'm open and I wait to get more info from NI. |
| Marguerite Salsedo 21.08.2010 | What happened to the american audio vms4 or w/e it was called? Looked like a good competitor for the denon. Going on the design of these controllers I like the s4 best, though I really dont like how short the cross and volume faders are looking. |
| Leeanna Ayla 21.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by Str8upDrew
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| Graham Frazier 21.08.2010 | I'm still hoping that the 4MidiLoop will come out one day. |
| Antonetta Wikel 20.08.2010 | I'm still weighing the options between the S4 & MC6000. Probably going to wait until they're released & reviewed before deciding. Also I'd like to get my hands on both and tweek a bit. Each have things I love and each have their shortcomings for my personal mixing preferences. |
| Jacqulyn Shoemo 20.08.2010 | The only type of controller I would feel comfortable with would be a Midi Fighter or a Kontrol X1. I don't like the idea of my platters and my mixer all on one unit. I mean, i like the idea from a portability stand point, but not a reliability stand point. If one part goes out then you're in a bit of trouble. However, if forced to choose an all in one style controller, I'd probably roll the S4 due to the 4 channel mixer and bundled software. |
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