Xone 92 vs Xone DB2
Xone 92 vs Xone DB2 Posted on: 21.02.2012 by Armando Chrystal Thoughts? title says it all which one would you choose | |
| Danae Dumler 04.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by OmniRoss
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| Dorie Scelzo 03.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by crumarbit
Originally Posted by Santos10
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| Danae Dumler 04.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by OmniRoss
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| Chung Rosaro 04.02.2013 | I've got a xone 92 rotary. It's the sex to mix on this. Especially for house? Yes! I've also got a S2, but mixing on the 92 is always a good time. It's a different experience with rotary mixers. If a rotary S2/S4 was developed, I would bring that into bed with me. |
| Mimi Mahaffee 31.01.2013 | id choose xone 92 or 4d over db2/db4 because I M O they sound better. Nothing wrong with db4/db2, they just dont sound analogue because they are digital. Also if u like 4 band eq thats a plus. |
| Annalisa Shogren 31.01.2013 | I realise that this is an old thread, but how do people use older Traktor soundcards with this? Being that if you switch from line to phono on say a Pioneer mixer with both phono and line inputs and an audio 8, you can mix vinyl as both inputs are plugged in? Of course I'm aware you can use 'direct thru' with the new Traktor soundcards, but what about the old ones? Something like this I assume would suffice? |
| Dorie Scelzo 03.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by crumarbit
Originally Posted by Santos10
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| Armando Chrystal 03.04.2012 | a little off topic but does anyone know how to fix a little white noise coming thru my faders on my xone 92 when I push them up? |
| Abram Chapo 03.04.2012 | I am having some issues with my next mixer purchase as well and my believeing has been the following. Db4 or Xone:92? DB4 looks amazing however, i won't be taking this out and about so when playing out, i won't have access to the FX which makes me believe Xone:92 is the way forward as i am planning on routing Traktor into Ableton and using Ableton FX with TouchOSC. This would mean i would have my setup available via what ever mixer is installed in a venue. The only thing holding me back on the Xone:92 is the fact that i don't know how well the Ableton FX stack up when compared to the FX on the DB4. Anybody able to give opinions on this? |
| Dorie Scelzo 03.04.2012 | The rotary 92 apparently doesn't have that problem, but yes, they all do that. The xone:02 will take an Innofader as replacement for its channel faders, so it might be possible to do that with the 92 as well……I'm not sure. I haven't really looked at it. But if it's basically your favorite mixer minus that one flaw and you're willing to spend an extra $500 or so on a compliment of innofaders, it might be worth looking into. I don't believe it would be worth it. |
| Rhona Naron 03.04.2012 | If Xones had facking linear faders or fader adjust, I would not buy anything else. Ever. I'd get me a Xone92 and stick with that for the rest of my life. I still want to buy one, but if the logarithmic faders annoy me as much as they did on my old Xone 42 Ima find it hard to hold onto it, despite the fact that the Filters more than make up for the lack of fader control. I know it's a matter of getting used it but I just find it so difficult! Db4 is definitely all kinds of cool but I don't have the will/patience to stare at a tiny screen flipping through all kinds of EFX. I like my mixers as pure and simple as possible. |
| Basil Forshee 30.03.2012 | Yes, for me also! But they could at least put more effort in more inputs and TSP Certification. But I don't care about both of them. |
| Romelia Stankard 30.03.2012 | I don't know, the DB4 is pretty close to perfect... |
| Basil Forshee 30.03.2012 | Well, I understand that. The Xone:92 obviously suits your needs. But I'm just running Traktor in 4 deck mode, maybe in the future a Maschine or something next to it and the Rotary option is also available on the DB4. That's so great about it, you can choose whether you would Rotary mode or just fader mode. But all mixers have their own pros and cons, unfortunately. The perfect mixer doesn't exist (yet). |
| Dorie Scelzo 30.03.2012 | I'd choose the xone:92. The db4's input structure won't run my mid-term setup goals: I want to run 3 turntables with vinyl or SSL + Maschine hosted in Ableton…and there aren't enough inputs without running the SSL signals through an ADC before the mixer, which is stupid. Plus, the 92 is available as a rotary. |
| Basil Forshee 30.03.2012 | So today I went to MIDI Amsterdam and tested the Xone DB2 and Xone 92. In comparison to the DB4, I don't like the post-fader routing from the FX. The Kill/Send mode is so much better in terms of what I need... The filter still sounds spot on, but I don't like the Pioneer-esque LPF/HPF-filter. The Xone 92 is perfect in terms of filters, EQ and Send/Return channels. Also, just gotta love the grip on those babies. Everything feels so smooth and like it was made with love. I tested the DB4 before and now I know it for certain; it will be my first mixer. I will adore it, make love to it and keep coming back to her... |
| Catherina Sasada 28.03.2012 | hmm im under the impression that: scratch gives my 4 stereo outouts...analog over the audio 10 maschine gives me the choice to send 4 stereo tracks over usb to the usb-ins of the db2 im not aware i can select the decks from traktor as usb source... is that feature confirmed? but is again speaking for the versatility of the db2 so for me it would make no difference...i can assign 5 analog sources over the a10 (either traktor or maschine )and 4 asio sources to the usbs-either traktor or maschine right? *duck* hey oranje by the way-been following your posts last evening (mares))) |
| Basil Forshee 28.03.2012 | You can assign the Traktor Decks 1 till 4 because the DB2/4 has an internal USB soundcard. Download the drivers, insert the USB cable and in Traktor you can set the output to each deck. And for the Maschine thing, I ment the Maschine output (so the sound coming from the Maschine). I don't know how it's done with different groups, guess you'll need an external controller for that, something from Faderfox or something. |
| Catherina Sasada 28.03.2012 | also with the db2...couldnt i assign the traktor decks 1-4 as inbuts over usb? guess not thats why they usw the plugin in above post... but its strange really....it should be easy to offer the track decks over asio drivers..or am i wrong? |
| Catherina Sasada 28.03.2012 | hmm still not getting it... what do you mean by "the " maschine channel... i dont know the box-but my guess is you could output 16 channels and input 16 (8grps x2) channels into the maschine? wouldnt it be nice to be able to have as many outputs of the maschine routed to your mixer? what are the common setups / channel routings to and from a maschin? i know it depends on style, but what are "most seen setups" you guys have stumbled upon? |
| Basil Forshee 28.03.2012 | With the DB2/DB4 you can even route the Maschine channel to a Traktor C/D channel (I want to route it to channel D, which I will use as sample deck) and don't even need an external soundcard. The only thing I will need then is a USB Hub, since my MBP only has 2 USB inputs. I'm only using Maschine as a step sequencer or to trigger one shots, but I believe it will be in the future. First, I want to get my hands on the Kontrol F1 and then I'll decide if I need the Maschine... |
| Catherina Sasada 28.03.2012 | and forgot the need of a audio interface with the xone 92... rme would be my choice but for a portable solution is pretty junky my setup right now would be TA10 Xone:92 Beschreibung Out Port A Input 1 Audio f |
| Catherina Sasada 28.03.2012 | salve! i couldnt help but register and chime in... as this is my first post ill babble a bit: so im a dj/producer that didnt make any music for 3-4 years at all... dont ask why, pls so i recently moved and now have sopace for a small setup again... pulled out the old 1210s... and that was it... no more mixer or anything else being an admirer of the timecode vinyl but never had the opportunity to buy one, i set myself up for a NI scratch with maschine as controller.... starting from my hh/d+b basics and maybe later do some live sound also technoid/ electric style... thats the premises... now i scanned the market for a suitable mixer... coming from the scratch/hh dj era i was looking into 4 channel mixers with a good x-fader first... then i quickly realized that the market somwhat shrinked and that there is no such thing as a simple 4 channel mixer without any effects on board...maybe a nuo4-didnt like it.... after believeing the setup through now i realized that the maschine itself could fill up any number of dj battle mixer.... knowing the p&g reputation and a&h continuity and quality i see almost no way that it wont be a xone 92 or db2 for me, either.... things i consider is: 92: the4band eq-more important with electro than hh, the swappable fader option, the 6 st-inputs compared to db2 |
| Danae Dumler 23.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by JDFS
But yeah I just use filter mode on the DB and even though I sometimes map the VCI knobs that way (with the 4-band eq) I find I don't bother using it much. |
| Basil Forshee 22.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Santos10
And the comments about the 4 band-EQ; if you MIDI map those on the DB2, you'll keep switching between MIDI and normal mode, thus meaning you can't use the normal mixer while adjusting the Traktor EQ. Just get used to the DB2/DB4's EQ and adapt your favourite mode; mine's FILTER mode. |
| Neal Rayome 22.02.2012 | That depends if the frequency of the mid range knob is adjustable, or else you won't get proper separation. In that case you'll have to map the mid high and mid lo to a knob and leave the mid range on the mixer for what it is. But doesn't that beat the purpose of the whole mixer? Plus, the EQ on the 92 is analog. I don't say analog is better per se, but why go through all the trouble by using two EQ's (on the mixer and in Traktor), if the 92 can do both? Ps.: I know, I'm biased . |
| Danae Dumler 22.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by JDFS
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| Armando Chrystal 22.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by JDFS
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| Basil Forshee 23.02.2012 | Yes, it has. But you do need an external soundcard for that! Then sync the MIDI clock and you're good to go (I believe) . |
| Armando Chrystal 22.02.2012 | I honestly do love the 4 Band EQ but I feel as if all the other things out-way the 4-band and it does have an isolator built in...not only that but then i wouldnt have to bring my soundcard (depending on the evening ) nor my delay pedal...but does it have an extra line input to route my maschine into? |
| Neal Rayome 22.02.2012 | JDFS sums it up excellently, I believe. I don't know if you (Santos) ever played on a 92, but after using a 4-band EQ, I'm never EVER going back to a 3-band. So my only advice to you is to test out a 92 if you didn't do that already, try out the EQ and find out if it's your thing. If you don't care about the 4-band EQ, the DB2 it is... Edit: I didn't look at you sig: Xone 92 . So the only question remains, could you part with the 4-band EQ? |
| Evangelina Spalla 21.02.2012 | i've only mixed on the 92,but i do like the look of the db2 better.if i had to choose i'd go the db2! |
| Basil Forshee 21.02.2012 | Well, essentially the High, Mid and Low knobs are becoming your filters. In FILTER mode, the High knob becomes the control of the low-pass filter, the Mid knob becomes the control of the Resonance/Sharpness (Q) and the Low knob becomes the control of the high-pass filter. For example, to imitate the high-pass filter; rotate the High knob fully clockwise, set the Mid knob at the Resonance you would like to have (I tend to keep it in the middle) and turn the Low knob fully anticlockwise. By slowly turning the Low knob to the middle or further, you hear the high-pass filter. I hope I made it clear like this . Which delay pedal you you have? I believe you can just 'throw' it away, because the onboard Delay FX are just fantastic, where you can adjust the Beat Fractions or have the Delay in milliSeconds. So no need for a pedal anymore! The 4 band-EQ, well you just have to get over it. I believe that you have lots and lots more control with FILTER mode. You assign the FX with the XFADE/FX jumper right below the EQ section. It can be set to X (FX unit 1) or either Y (FX unit 2). So you can assign one, two, three or even four channels to one FX unit (major plus point comparing to the DB4) or have none assigned to the FX unit. Another plus point: Post fader FX, just like the Pioneer ones . |
| Armando Chrystal 21.02.2012 | Normally when I use the xone 92 the things I use and like the most is the 4-Band EQ and i like the HP Filter would the DB:2 emulate the 92s filter system? and i use the extra channel for my maschine and sometimes use the send for delay pedal...you said the DB:2 Eqs have 3 different modes where would you interchange with them on the mixer? and how do you assign the effects? |
| Basil Forshee 21.02.2012 | For me, it's a no brainer now; a Xone DB2. There's a price drop here in The Netherlands, and the Xone DB2 is just € 76 more expensive than a Xone:92. But like Xonetacular already stated, it all depends on your priorities. Advantages of the Xone:92 to the Xone DB2:
Now, let's compare the Xone DB2 to the Xone:92:
I'll hope that this is enough for you to decide . If you have questions regarding my comparison, don't hesitate to ask! |
| Romelia Stankard 21.02.2012 | Depends on your priorities and what you're looking for in a mixer and how you like to mix. |
| Felipe Rasper 21.02.2012 | Each one is great, it.s just what you want; 4 band eq & filters (more control on filters) Or efx & filters (little less control on THE filters) but filter mode on THE eq's. |
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