S4: Road tested + Reviews

S4: Road tested + Reviews
Posted on: 07.12.2010 by Hang Natelli
Hello all,


Saturday marked my official switch from Serato Scratch Live to Traktor when I brought my new S4 out to the club for my show.

As some of you might have read, I was experiencing some pretty fightening issues with my S4 each time I used it after unboxing. I had submitted a ticket for technical support twice with Native Instruments, and both times recieved completely inadequate/lazy/half-ass/useless resonses, so I have now deemed Native Instruments staff incompetent. In an act of desperation, I reinstalled Traktor Pro S4 as well as the most updated drives, and and happy to report that none of the issues I previously encountered occured over the last week, and the S4 worked solidly. This is still a nagative issue for me, as the cause of the issue is still unknown, it is still unknown if the issue has actually been fixed or not, and it seems as I will never know due to the complete incompentency of NI Tech Support. Before I get back on topic from my digression (sorry!) I will say one last thing. With Serato, you are able to phone their Tech support guys, their actual names and numbers are given on the site so you know who you are actually talking to, and they are super nice and helpful. Native Instruments seems to be hiding behind their corporate mask, and they are cowards for not admitting to their fault and not helping their customers. If anyone cares to hear how they chose to answer my tickets for tech support, I am happy to post my correspondence.

Now for the review:

ROCK SOLID! The S4 did exactly what I expected of it, and I was able to put on an insane show due to this. The things that Traktor and the S4 provide over Serato are just so nice from a performaces standpoint. Beatgridding/Syncing is heaven. I love that I can cue up tracks and drop them in instinctively without having to recheck the beatmatching. I was able to have some very quick but very important conversations that I probably wouldn't have able to have otherwise, as I am considerably busier when using Serato. In a sense, that can also be a con as some people might find themselves bored, but as you'll see in the pics in the link below, boredom was impossible on Sat.

Since the performance of it was so good (in the sense that I was so easily able to transfer my workflow from DJM800 + CDJs to controller), I won't say much more (because I can't). The S4 is FANTASTIC. I highly highly recommend it to any DJ who is serious about consistent performance (as long as the known issues get forever fixed).

On the flip side, I want to point out where I found the S4 to fall short, where some improvements can be made, and what to look out for if you're a potential buyer.

1. The filter knobs are either too loose, too physically close to the EQs, or a combination of the both. I say this because I found that when doing a bass switch or pull out on the fly, I would knock a filter and it would go all the way from 12:00 to either 9:00 or 3:00. I don't normally have stubbyfinger syndrome, but I very well may have on Sat. Of course, that will go away more and more as I get use to the layout more, but I wish the filter knobs were a little more spaced from the Low-EQ.

2. Difficult to see in the dark. Ok, so the S4 is a lot better than a LOT of mixers because things like the cue buttons light up, which is awesome for finding those cue points in the last second. Of course, there are simple solutions like a lamp or flashlight in the booth to combat lighting issues, but I still like a dark booth. Mixers like the DJM800 have those blue filter buttons that do a decent job of lighting up the EQs enough to see them last second. I found myself having to put my nose right to the S4 to see the EQs at points. I see that DJTT store sells neon knobs for the VCI controller. Would it be possible to make knobs like this to fit the S4? That would be INCREDIBLE! I personally really want to do this. It would save me when I have to make milliseccond decisions.

3. If you don't believe you can fit the S4 can safely fit in the DJ booths you will most likely be playing in, go for the X1 (or 2) instead. I encountered some serious resiliance to shifting things around in the booth to make room for the S4. And luckily is was a big enough booth. X1 is extremely ideal for fitting in anywhere.

Here are the pics from the evening , in this link:

http://setinstyle.ca/albums/?album=1&gallery=158

I'm the guy in the multi-colour plaid shirt.

Let me know what ya believe!

-PL>Y
Random X
08.12.2010
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I love a happy ending.
Me too, but I'm trying to keep it a bit civil on this public community , K!

(Bad joke I know, but I couldn't resist)
Julissa Serrone
07.12.2010
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y
I'm down.

Haze, we good? Sorry brotha. lol
No thanks.

Enjoy your S4.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
07.12.2010
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y
Hey Karlos, thanks for sticking around, and hearing out all my rants. I appologize for not being able to post a video of the problems I was having. They haven't happened again!
Its all good mate... I know how frustrating things can be when they dont work as they should or as expected.

We all work to the same goal..
Hang Natelli
07.12.2010
Originally Posted by IrishBlaggard
glad you a happy camper now

ps. so you and haze gonna kiss and make up now :P`
I'm down.

Haze, we good? Sorry brotha. lol
Leeanna Ayla
07.12.2010
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y
I see that DJTT store sells neon knobs for the VCI controller. Would it be possible to make knobs like this to fit the S4? That would be INCREDIBLE! I personally really want to do this. It would save me when I have to make milliseccond decisions.
-PL>Y
The DJTT knobs do fit. IMO they're not as nice feeling as the stock knobs, but will work.

My S4 with stock silver VCI knobs on it.

Hang Natelli
06.12.2010
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I love a happy ending.

Yes, Thailand is paradise... JOKES!

Hey Karlos, thanks for sticking around, and hearing out all my rants. I appologize for not being able to post a video of the problems I was having. They haven't happened again!

I'm just glad it stopped, and hope at least that for the next update these issues can be permanently fixed.

The S4 is brilliant, and I'm definitely proud to own one.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
06.12.2010
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y

Saturday marked my official switch from Serato Scratch Live to Traktor
YES !!!


Sorry, couldnt resist lol

Glad its worked out for ya man. Looks like a great party, enjoyed the pics.

I love a happy ending.

Karlos
Hang Natelli
07.12.2010
Hello all,


Saturday marked my official switch from Serato Scratch Live to Traktor when I brought my new S4 out to the club for my show.

As some of you might have read, I was experiencing some pretty fightening issues with my S4 each time I used it after unboxing. I had submitted a ticket for technical support twice with Native Instruments, and both times recieved completely inadequate/lazy/half-ass/useless resonses, so I have now deemed Native Instruments staff incompetent. In an act of desperation, I reinstalled Traktor Pro S4 as well as the most updated drives, and and happy to report that none of the issues I previously encountered occured over the last week, and the S4 worked solidly. This is still a nagative issue for me, as the cause of the issue is still unknown, it is still unknown if the issue has actually been fixed or not, and it seems as I will never know due to the complete incompentency of NI Tech Support. Before I get back on topic from my digression (sorry!) I will say one last thing. With Serato, you are able to phone their Tech support guys, their actual names and numbers are given on the site so you know who you are actually talking to, and they are super nice and helpful. Native Instruments seems to be hiding behind their corporate mask, and they are cowards for not admitting to their fault and not helping their customers. If anyone cares to hear how they chose to answer my tickets for tech support, I am happy to post my correspondence.

Now for the review:

ROCK SOLID! The S4 did exactly what I expected of it, and I was able to put on an insane show due to this. The things that Traktor and the S4 provide over Serato are just so nice from a performaces standpoint. Beatgridding/Syncing is heaven. I love that I can cue up tracks and drop them in instinctively without having to recheck the beatmatching. I was able to have some very quick but very important conversations that I probably wouldn't have able to have otherwise, as I am considerably busier when using Serato. In a sense, that can also be a con as some people might find themselves bored, but as you'll see in the pics in the link below, boredom was impossible on Sat.

Since the performance of it was so good (in the sense that I was so easily able to transfer my workflow from DJM800 + CDJs to controller), I won't say much more (because I can't). The S4 is FANTASTIC. I highly highly recommend it to any DJ who is serious about consistent performance (as long as the known issues get forever fixed).

On the flip side, I want to point out where I found the S4 to fall short, where some improvements can be made, and what to look out for if you're a potential buyer.

1. The filter knobs are either too loose, too physically close to the EQs, or a combination of the both. I say this because I found that when doing a bass switch or pull out on the fly, I would knock a filter and it would go all the way from 12:00 to either 9:00 or 3:00. I don't normally have stubbyfinger syndrome, but I very well may have on Sat. Of course, that will go away more and more as I get use to the layout more, but I wish the filter knobs were a little more spaced from the Low-EQ.

2. Difficult to see in the dark. Ok, so the S4 is a lot better than a LOT of mixers because things like the cue buttons light up, which is awesome for finding those cue points in the last second. Of course, there are simple solutions like a lamp or flashlight in the booth to combat lighting issues, but I still like a dark booth. Mixers like the DJM800 have those blue filter buttons that do a decent job of lighting up the EQs enough to see them last second. I found myself having to put my nose right to the S4 to see the EQs at points. I see that DJTT store sells neon knobs for the VCI controller. Would it be possible to make knobs like this to fit the S4? That would be INCREDIBLE! I personally really want to do this. It would save me when I have to make milliseccond decisions.

3. If you don't believe you can fit the S4 can safely fit in the DJ booths you will most likely be playing in, go for the X1 (or 2) instead. I encountered some serious resiliance to shifting things around in the booth to make room for the S4. And luckily is was a big enough booth. X1 is extremely ideal for fitting in anywhere.

Here are the pics from the evening , in this link:

http://setinstyle.ca/albums/?album=1&gallery=158

I'm the guy in the multi-colour plaid shirt.

Let me know what ya believe!

-PL>Y
Random X
09.12.2010
Always use that tbh.
Janyce Henningson
08.12.2010
Nice one mate glad you got it sorted

I never use auto gain - I have it turned a bit lower when mixing in a track, then I bring up the fader and mix with the gain knobs

Party looks funky
Random X
08.12.2010
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I love a happy ending.
Me too, but I'm trying to keep it a bit civil on this public community , K!

(Bad joke I know, but I couldn't resist)
Eloy Snopkowski
07.12.2010
limiter was on ? i had turn it off since its act as a compressor and i can manage it manualy. Its pratice my ears as a sound engineer ...but yea sometimes even with limiter off i had to reajust some song ( bad bit rate/quality song i guess )
Hang Natelli
07.12.2010
There is actually one more issue that I experienced with the S4 on Saturday that I wanted to bring up and discuss.

Autogain.

So after exploring the preferences window, I discovered that auto-gain was automatically set as on, as well as a limiter. Great (I believe).

While playing up in the booth, I was in the heat of the moment, and had my monitors blasting, so I wasn't paying super close attention to the gain levels (nor could I really hear the difference). I would do a visiual check of my meters each time, and make sure they weren't clipping red. However, several times the resident DJ came into the booth to warn me that my levels were too low. I'd turn them up, and either there is no change in the meter, or it clips. So it's impossible to tell how much you need to turn up the gain, as the last blue LED in the meter will hold blue for a certain range. There is no ability to tell when it may be pushing towards clipping. I'm just wondering why the autogain isn't doing a very good job of balancing volume levels between tracks, and why I need to turn up the gain so very often.

Anyone else have similar experience with the gains? Is it maybe better to de-activate autogain?
Nedra Fresneda
07.12.2010
Kala Pellar
07.12.2010
I love my X1.
Julissa Serrone
07.12.2010
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y
I'm down.

Haze, we good? Sorry brotha. lol
No thanks.

Enjoy your S4.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
07.12.2010
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y
Hey Karlos, thanks for sticking around, and hearing out all my rants. I appologize for not being able to post a video of the problems I was having. They haven't happened again!
Its all good mate... I know how frustrating things can be when they dont work as they should or as expected.

We all work to the same goal..
Hang Natelli
07.12.2010
Originally Posted by IrishBlaggard
glad you a happy camper now

ps. so you and haze gonna kiss and make up now :P`
I'm down.

Haze, we good? Sorry brotha. lol
Leeanna Ayla
07.12.2010
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y
I see that DJTT store sells neon knobs for the VCI controller. Would it be possible to make knobs like this to fit the S4? That would be INCREDIBLE! I personally really want to do this. It would save me when I have to make milliseccond decisions.
-PL>Y
The DJTT knobs do fit. IMO they're not as nice feeling as the stock knobs, but will work.

My S4 with stock silver VCI knobs on it.

Hailey Westen
07.12.2010
glad you a happy camper now

ps. so you and haze gonna kiss and make up now :P`
Hang Natelli
06.12.2010
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I love a happy ending.

Yes, Thailand is paradise... JOKES!

Hey Karlos, thanks for sticking around, and hearing out all my rants. I appologize for not being able to post a video of the problems I was having. They haven't happened again!

I'm just glad it stopped, and hope at least that for the next update these issues can be permanently fixed.

The S4 is brilliant, and I'm definitely proud to own one.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
06.12.2010
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y

Saturday marked my official switch from Serato Scratch Live to Traktor
YES !!!


Sorry, couldnt resist lol

Glad its worked out for ya man. Looks like a great party, enjoyed the pics.

I love a happy ending.

Karlos
Nedra Fresneda
06.12.2010
nice to hear things are working now

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