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Drum & Bass beatmixing/beatgridding question(s). Posted on: 22.01.2011 by Len Lukawski After lots of playing around and experimenting with the features, I finally got round to mixing some tunes. I spent a good deal of time going through and beatgridding some 50+ tracks. I read and watched all I could find on beatgridding (Dubspot, Proferssor Ben, DJTT DVD etc) and I believe I have everything gridded accurately. 4 and bar looping sounds spot on and I can skip around the track and it keeps time. It definitely feels a little more challenging beatgridding D&B versus four-to-the-floor. The issue is when I mix tracks. I have snap and quant on etc but it | |
| Len Lukawski 22.01.2011 | After lots of playing around and experimenting with the features, I finally got round to mixing some tunes. I spent a good deal of time going through and beatgridding some 50+ tracks. I read and watched all I could find on beatgridding (Dubspot, Proferssor Ben, DJTT DVD etc) and I believe I have everything gridded accurately. 4 and bar looping sounds spot on and I can skip around the track and it keeps time. It definitely feels a little more challenging beatgridding D&B versus four-to-the-floor. The issue is when I mix tracks. I have snap and quant on etc but it |
| Len Lukawski 22.01.2011 | After lots of playing around and experimenting with the features, I finally got round to mixing some tunes. I spent a good deal of time going through and beatgridding some 50+ tracks. I read and watched all I could find on beatgridding (Dubspot, Proferssor Ben, DJTT DVD etc) and I believe I have everything gridded accurately. 4 and bar looping sounds spot on and I can skip around the track and it keeps time. It definitely feels a little more challenging beatgridding D&B versus four-to-the-floor. The issue is when I mix tracks. I have snap and quant on etc but it |
| Len Lukawski 22.01.2011 | After lots of playing around and experimenting with the features, I finally got round to mixing some tunes. I spent a good deal of time going through and beatgridding some 50+ tracks. I read and watched all I could find on beatgridding (Dubspot, Proferssor Ben, DJTT DVD etc) and I believe I have everything gridded accurately. 4 and bar looping sounds spot on and I can skip around the track and it keeps time. It definitely feels a little more challenging beatgridding D&B versus four-to-the-floor. The issue is when I mix tracks. I have snap and quant on etc but it |
| Len Lukawski 22.01.2011 | After lots of playing around and experimenting with the features, I finally got round to mixing some tunes. I spent a good deal of time going through and beatgridding some 50+ tracks. I read and watched all I could find on beatgridding (Dubspot, Proferssor Ben, DJTT DVD etc) and I believe I have everything gridded accurately. 4 and bar looping sounds spot on and I can skip around the track and it keeps time. It definitely feels a little more challenging beatgridding D&B versus four-to-the-floor. The issue is when I mix tracks. I have snap and quant on etc but it |
| Leeanna Ayla 25.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by smittten
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| Len Lukawski 22.01.2011 | After lots of playing around and experimenting with the features, I finally got round to mixing some tunes. I spent a good deal of time going through and beatgridding some 50+ tracks. I read and watched all I could find on beatgridding (Dubspot, Proferssor Ben, DJTT DVD etc) and I believe I have everything gridded accurately. 4 and bar looping sounds spot on and I can skip around the track and it keeps time. It definitely feels a little more challenging beatgridding D&B versus four-to-the-floor. The issue is when I mix tracks. I have snap and quant on etc but it |
| Len Lukawski 31.01.2011 | Great Point Rhombus. Sometimes Traktor has no clue with the BPM and a good old tap will get you very close indeed. If you go through the steps in the previous post and it's still off I would recommend going back to start but tapping it out first. |
| Andree Ganas 31.01.2011 | It looks like Smitten solved it, but here is another trick for your toolbox. I am a fan of the Tap button, but this is problematic with tempos in the 160-190 range, as my fingers don't work that fast. Pitch the track way down using the pitch fader or the master clock and then use the tap. Then readjust the tempo and everything should be good to go. |
| Ginny Fergson 31.01.2011 | Darren, what another useful thread! I've been struggling a bit with beatgridding, you've broken it down nicely. My brain isn't the most logical |
| Len Lukawski 25.01.2011 | I spent a good while learning to mix on 1210s back in the day. There was this complete thrill when you got a mix locked in with two tunes that were made for each other. It totally astounds me that you can achieve the same thing with a touch of a button today. I will however, also be pleased I learned to do it the hard way first! Thanks for everyone's help. More questions coming soon..... On my blackberry so pls forgive crappy typing.... |
| Leeanna Ayla 25.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by smittten
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| Len Lukawski 25.01.2011 | Yes - Phasemeter - that's the chap! |
| Random X 25.01.2011 | Do you mean the phasemeter? (In step 6) |
| Len Lukawski 24.01.2011 | I went back and re-watched the DJTT Kontrol S4 tutorial DVD. Ean's technique seem's to be working like a charm for me. 1. In Deck A load a reference track with a solid BPM and accurate beatgrid. 2. in Deck B load the track you want to beatgrid. 3. Use the jog wheel etc to get nudge the track in Deck B to get the beatmix locked 4. Go into Grid mode 5. Unlock the BPM if needed 6. Use the <||| or |||> buttons to move the horizontal orange line above the waveform (sorry, not sure what it's called) until it's dead center/disappeared. 7. Lock the BPM 8. Try the mix again and repeat if necessary (that's my own step as I found I sometimes had to repeat it). There were also a few times where I did need to nudge the first grid marker. So far I have re-gridded 15 or so tracks and now hitting the play button seems to be enough. There is one track that won't play ball (Delta Heavy's "Take the stairs") but I will conquer it (or bloody delete it). |
| Daisy Dotseth 24.01.2011 | I'm not sold on the S4 Sync feature. After using Traktor for years now and knowing my tracks are gridded perfectly i find that something in the Quantize or Sync logic (or my understanding of them) is out of whack. I often find myself turning off sync now and just mixing tracks the old fashioned way - i know that when i hit play on the beat the track will start without being affected by when the quantization believes it should start. Whatever they did between Pro and S4 really needs to be explained better (perhaps with video -nude nudge) as evidenced by the many threads on the matter - there is a disconnect happening among users. As for gridding DnB - its really no more complex than 4/4 house - as long as the drums are in time no problemo. My tip is to halve the BPM when gridding DnB - this makes things a whole lot cleaner looking. When you are done you can just set it back to normal however i prefer to keep it halved as it makes for much more interesting 'syncd' possibilities with your lower BPM library (Hip Hop / Trip Hop etc) |
| Tatum Ansaldo 23.01.2011 | Not at all, the grid marker can be anywhere you like as it extends backwards and forwards through the whole track (unless you place another one). I've often found DnB has the first marker placed in the wrong location even if the bpm is read correctly, so then it only takes a couple of seconds to fix it. |
| Len Lukawski 22.01.2011 | That's a good point about the first grid marker. So one question, does it matter if the first grid marker is not the very first beat? I know it sounds like a dumb question but some of the tracks I am playing with the first beat may not be clear enough for me to use as a marker. If I don't figure it out soon I will take you up on your offer FullEnglish |
| Tatum Ansaldo 22.01.2011 | Quite simply, if the track isn't in sync with the sync button on, the beatgrid must be off. I have a fair bit of DnB, let me know a few of the tracks you gridded and tell me the exact BPM you came up with and if I have them I'll tell you if they match. Or if you like, lock the bpm of a track, stick it in a .zip and upload it and I'll have a look for you. Most likely you've just got the first grid marker slightly off and it's slightly out of phase. |
| Murray Hoffa 22.01.2011 | I'd love to help, but I dont know exactly what the cause might be...Maybe the beat markers are just very slightly out of sync? :/ |
| Len Lukawski 22.01.2011 | Bueller...Bueller... |
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