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4 decks from S4 ~ audio to Ableton
Posted on: 15.12.2010 by Teressa Madorin
I've looked all over to find a solution to this, but none are for Traktor Pro S4...

I want to send the audio of each deck in Traktor to Ableton Live using internal routing.

I've got JackPilot setup, and it's working fine for sending a stereo signal out... one stereo signal for all four decks. Instead I'm interested in sending a single (mono) track from each of the four decks to four separate input tracks in Ableton.

I've found tutorials that worked for previous versions of Traktor, but the options have changed in the new version; and render those tutorials useless for the S4.

Please tell me what I'm missing, or point me in the right direction.
=Z

(ps - anyone interested in 'syncing' the two programs midi clocks should just look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xzldehIsCE ...that part I did get going, and it's fantastic.)
Teressa Madorin
08.01.2011
Originally Posted by padi_04
you can't NHL (HID) works only in traktor, you need to go MIDI or translate them
hmmm, I believe this could use a more thorough explanation...
Nedra Fresneda
08.01.2011
Originally Posted by Parker Chase
Has anyone made any progress on this?

I was also able to route the 4 decks individually but I can't figure out how to map the faders in Abelton when in NHL mode. This would be huge if we can figure it out. This problem makes me miss my VCI-100 a little bit.
you can't NHL (HID) works only in traktor, you need to go MIDI or translate them
Herschel January
17.12.2010
Originally Posted by zeburock
I am, however, still struggling to get it sending POST faders etc. into Ableton... any takers?

=Z
That wasn't achievable in Traktor Pro, so I don't believe it will be in the S4 edition. I wish it was. Either that, or if you could send all 4 decks as an FX send to ableton and have the return pre-fader somehow. God how I wish the bridge was for Traktor and Ableton instead.
Chi Vanderhyde
22.03.2011		I have been playing with this setup lately and I am forced to conclude there are only 2 possible solutions:

1) Most likely but hardest: remap the entire S4 in midi. I have attempted this but I have a hell of a time getting feedback to work properly.

2) Less Likely But Easiest: Get NI to make the S4 driver emit NHL and midi at the same time.
Phylis Lebby
22.03.2011		Still crossing our fingers for TP2, then?
I've also been struggling in hopes of getting this to work. This could open up a whole new universe of vst/traktor options, and mixtape recording.
Teressa Madorin
10.01.2011		Thank you for clearing that up! I now understand much better where you are coming from , and what you mean. I didn't know that about the VCI-100, and now I do. Very good.
Keva Sheward
10.01.2011		The VCI-100 does work as it uses midi. You can program whatever you want to in Traktor and then program the channel faders, cross fader and headphone cues in Ableton. I have a setup with my VCI-100 Arcade where I routed 4 decks through soundflower to Ableton using a smartmixer in Ableton as well as effects and such.

The S4 can only either be in NHL mode or Midi mode at one time. When in NHL mode the default programing works great in Traktor but Ableton can not understand the fader assignments. In midi mode the faders in Ableton work well but you would have to completely remap the midi commands in Traktor and would loose the advantage that NHL brings to the table.

I've bee trying to search for a midi translator that can possibly convert the NHL signal to midi without any luck. You could use 2 separate controllers but that defeats the purpose of the S4 to me.
Teressa Madorin
08.01.2011
Originally Posted by padi_04
you can't NHL (HID) works only in traktor, you need to go MIDI or translate them
hmmm, I believe this could use a more thorough explanation...
Nedra Fresneda
08.01.2011
Originally Posted by Parker Chase
Has anyone made any progress on this?

I was also able to route the 4 decks individually but I can't figure out how to map the faders in Abelton when in NHL mode. This would be huge if we can figure it out. This problem makes me miss my VCI-100 a little bit.
you can't NHL (HID) works only in traktor, you need to go MIDI or translate them
Teressa Madorin
09.01.2011		Agreed, it would be a massive step forward to be able to have the faders operating AND the ability to record and put effects on each individual track using Live... but to no avail.

I thought that the VCI-100se had the same problem, as stated here by 'DJ Phaidon'. are you saying you miss your VCI-100, because you WERE able to send the four tracks straight to live, post faders? (I know it's not the controllers problem, of course, it's the Traktor software...)
=Z
Keva Sheward
09.01.2011		Has anyone made any progress on this?

I was also able to route the 4 decks individually but I can't figure out how to map the faders in Abelton when in NHL mode. This would be huge if we can figure it out. This problem makes me miss my VCI-100 a little bit.
Herschel January
17.12.2010
Originally Posted by zeburock
I am, however, still struggling to get it sending POST faders etc. into Ableton... any takers?

=Z
That wasn't achievable in Traktor Pro, so I don't believe it will be in the S4 edition. I wish it was. Either that, or if you could send all 4 decks as an FX send to ableton and have the return pre-fader somehow. God how I wish the bridge was for Traktor and Ableton instead.
Tyra Labrecque
16.12.2010		That hack is sweet. Got each track into ableton separately. But I lose the fader and cue control. If I can get fader and cue control, this will be one sick setup!
Teressa Madorin
16.12.2010		I am, however, still struggling to get it sending POST faders etc. into Ableton... any takers?

=Z
Herschel January
16.12.2010		You are correct padi, my bad. I was going off of a another link that was talking about the main and monitor into ableton. This of course is a hack, and it would work if you used bomes or another midi translator to take the volume faders into ableton. Very interesting why they didn't just enable it. Wonder what other features we're missing out on in the .tsi. This also answers the question of why they would have a send available in 4 fx mode, and not a way to route it externally.
Nedra Fresneda
16.12.2010
Originally Posted by DJPhaidon
I read the post, but you don't have your S4 yet. If you did, you would realize that the Traktor S4 software doesn't have Internal/External output selection, but only internal. So, you could route the main audio, and the monitor audio, but not tracks separately like you could in Traktor Pro. However interestingly enough, you can change the FX unit to 4 FX units and have one as a send, but you don't have the ability to actually send it anywhere.

so how did zeburock get 4 decks into ableton then if rainerh's tip is useless?

Open the Preferences/Output Routing dialog.
The Internal option is disabled. The little hack described in the previous section has enabled External mixing mode, even when the External check box is not visible.

Marylyn Vine
16.12.2010		the link posted by padi_04 explaines how to enable external mixing in S4 with a hack
Herschel January
16.12.2010
Originally Posted by padi_04
read the link I posted
I read the post, but you don't have your S4 yet. If you did, you would realize that the Traktor S4 software doesn't have Internal/External output selection, but only internal. So, you could route the main audio, and the monitor audio, but not tracks separately like you could in Traktor Pro. However interestingly enough, you can change the FX unit to 4 FX units and have one as a send, but you don't have the ability to actually send it anywhere.
Nedra Fresneda
16.12.2010
Originally Posted by DJPhaidon
The S4 version of traktor doesn't allow for all 4 decks to be output, just master and cue i believe. Have to wait until Traktor Pro gets updated to S4 functionality. i'm waiting for the same thing.
read the link I posted

the problem you are encountering is that traktor bypasses the internal mixer when it's set to external (happens in pro as well). I'm still waiting for my S4 so i can't really help (yet). there must be a way to force both signals run together or you are stuck with regular midi in traktor (unless you use a secondary controller for live)

We are one step closer
Herschel January
15.12.2010		The S4 version of traktor doesn't allow for all 4 decks to be output, just master and cue i believe. Have to wait until Traktor Pro gets updated to S4 functionality. i'm waiting for the same thing.
Teressa Madorin
15.12.2010
Originally Posted by Killa St.Louis
I haven't figured out how to output individual tracks from traktor to ableton, but I have something for the main output in traktor to ableton with full cue function. I posted in your other thread http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=21609.
Thanks a bundle, dude ~ I'll have a look
Teressa Madorin
15.12.2010
Originally Posted by padi_04
you need to set traktor to external, otherwise you just output the master. why not output stereo?

http://www.traktorbible.com/en/kontr...xing_mode.aspx
Thanks! I'd found another way to do that external hack in that very same community , but it didn't work. This one did work but now their is a new issue (of course.)

Now I've got routing from all four decks to Live from Traktor (stereo, hehe) - but the signal is coming through Live with or without the volume faders up on the S4. In midi mode I tried assigning the faders to simply control live from the S4, but those midi signals only work while midi mode is on, NOT while I'm playing with the S4 in Traktor.

This set up is closer, but still unusable. Sorry I'm at a loss. Any ideas on how I can get this working properly?
=Z
Tyra Labrecque
15.12.2010		I haven't figured out how to output individual tracks from traktor to ableton, but I have something for the main output in traktor to ableton with full cue function. I posted in your other thread http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=21609.
Nedra Fresneda
15.12.2010		you need to set traktor to external, otherwise you just output the master. why not output stereo?

http://www.traktorbible.com/en/kontr...xing_mode.aspx

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