a question for ean, regarding TP2
a question for ean, regarding TP2 Posted on: 12.02.2011 by komodia bee Hi Ean,As you've already been using it, could you please enlighten us explaining your observations regarding the following existing issues with the current S4 software? Basically, has any of these issues been reviewed in the beta you have? Thanks for your help. - Pre or Post fader FX, post: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=124245 - Sync/CUE weird behaviour, post: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=124094 - No keylock on sample decks, post: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=121890 - Stored loop size not updated in display, post: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=122786 - ability of sample decks to act as master, post: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=123270 - beatslicer not working properly when setting audio interface to 96khz, post: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=123368 - adjust line fader curve, post: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=125250 - filter resonance, post: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=122394 | |
| komodia bee 14.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by smittten
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| komodia bee 13.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by VanGogo
well it seems we can't go further, let's hope that stuff is in the aim... i guess the only thing we are able to, is to ask to those that can (betas): please push it, don't let it pass! thanks... |
| Len Lukawski 12.02.2011 | I work for a software developer and have launched a bunch of products over the years. Beta testing and launch criteria vary from one company to another and may also vary internally (we have multiple product teams who don |
| Random X 13.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
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| komodia bee 12.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I'm afraid i am not much familiar with that beta testing nature you mention. Sorry if i have pushed hard to hear something. But some of these issues are really important to be solved, you as a S4 user may be aware as well. Although i naively thought they would be resolved earlier, knowing at least they are on the spot at some point, is good. As we are still 2 months before the release, i'll keep the faith. Anyway, I understand your role means sometimes you have to keep secrets. Despite what i may believe about this secrecy, i appreciate you and Tekki passing by, acknowledging you care and will do what's possible. The feeling has been empasized since last tuesday when i tested a ddj t1 with traktor pro and realized how good it was to have a truly responsive cue button that makes no pops when released and the ability to chain effects or modify the eq after an effect has been thrown. i really miss that basic, core functionalities. shouldn't have to be like that. i know the workaround is to say... 'ok, use tpro then!' but hey, i had to sell my audio8 and the tspro license -and a vci too- in a bet for a better gear . my bet was to believe in native instruments, once again. with that, i'm just saying that NI could be more gentle with people that demonstrates that are participating, that are loyal, that assumes risks, are helping find small bugs (or not so small), said otherwise, guinea pigs that pay to be testers... and on top of that, doing it blindly with close to zero feedback. (agreed that it does not only happen with NI products) it's not that they have to, but that it would be a nice gesture towards us, probably just to make us feel we're seen as humans instead of numbers. |
| komodia bee 12.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by Tekki
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| Jacque Divinity 12.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by alex8337
and because most community s are full of complete bell-ends that just like to cause arguments for the sake of entertaining themselves.. ala serato.com community s for one |
| Charline Dye 24.03.2011 | Like me, you are getting older. Things slip past, you forget where you put something 2 minutes after you put it down, or totally forget why you were going to the other room once you get there. Lol. Any way back on topic. ANSWERS ANYONE? |
| Leeanna Ayla 24.03.2011 | How did I miss this thread the first time around? |
| komodia bee 24.03.2011 | good morning fellows, we're around one week away from the big day. can the beta testers now share some inputs regarding the discussed issues? c'mon boys, give us some good news!! |
| Lang Abriel 13.02.2011 | I feel that NI should put a little bit more effort in keeping their customers happy...I realize that there have been opinions stated on here but with big software companies there is no real face to face interaction with there consumers so that they can feel the frustration. The only thing I can believe that would pressure NI into moving faster on bugs would be REALLY big djs that use their products to change products if they do not make changes. But this won't happen because NI is paying them to use the products. I just thought about all of this because currently I do IT work for the university I attend. And being a 'student' I get alot of things said to me by customers that 'motivate' me to get things done quicker for them. And I get things done knowing that these customers have no where else to turn or go to because we are the only provider of the services on campus. What it boils down to is that its the industry of dj'ing that NI and Serato are in....theres not a whole lot of pressure for them to get things done. |
| Charline Dye 13.02.2011 | HaHahaha, good 1. No worries Smitten I have been known to do the same on ocassion (how many times can you say RTFM). But, I try to keep it warm and fuzzy around here |
| komodia bee 14.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by smittten
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| Len Lukawski 13.02.2011 | Hope this has thrown a little light on some of the challenges every software company faces. In my professional life I am on the flip side. The users of the products I manage have community
s where they frequently go to town on us and things "we don't do for them". As an employee there are dozens of posts, comments, trolls and requests that I am simply not allowed to respond to. There have been literally dozens of times when I have wanted to say, "STFU and cool your boots for a month or two and you will get what you are looking for in the product." As you can imagine, that would be a career limiting move on my part. Anyway, I also wanted to apologize for coming off like a bit of a prick in my first reply to this initial thread. Good questions, good discussion - keep it up! SmiTTTen |
| komodia bee 13.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by VanGogo
well it seems we can't go further, let's hope that stuff is in the aim... i guess the only thing we are able to, is to ask to those that can (betas): please push it, don't let it pass! thanks... |
| Random X 13.02.2011 | Well, I wish I could. |
| Charline Dye 12.02.2011 | Wow thanks for the insight and epic post there Smitten! Always appreciate the mods helping out!! I hope Karlos or Tekki can tell us a few things. Enrico, you should post a little more, as your posts are of excellent quality! |
| Len Lukawski 12.02.2011 | I work for a software developer and have launched a bunch of products over the years. Beta testing and launch criteria vary from one company to another and may also vary internally (we have multiple product teams who don |
| Hailey Westen 13.02.2011 | @enrico, you make a very good point... |
| Random X 13.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
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| komodia bee 12.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I'm afraid i am not much familiar with that beta testing nature you mention. Sorry if i have pushed hard to hear something. But some of these issues are really important to be solved, you as a S4 user may be aware as well. Although i naively thought they would be resolved earlier, knowing at least they are on the spot at some point, is good. As we are still 2 months before the release, i'll keep the faith. Anyway, I understand your role means sometimes you have to keep secrets. Despite what i may believe about this secrecy, i appreciate you and Tekki passing by, acknowledging you care and will do what's possible. The feeling has been empasized since last tuesday when i tested a ddj t1 with traktor pro and realized how good it was to have a truly responsive cue button that makes no pops when released and the ability to chain effects or modify the eq after an effect has been thrown. i really miss that basic, core functionalities. shouldn't have to be like that. i know the workaround is to say... 'ok, use tpro then!' but hey, i had to sell my audio8 and the tspro license -and a vci too- in a bet for a better gear . my bet was to believe in native instruments, once again. with that, i'm just saying that NI could be more gentle with people that demonstrates that are participating, that are loyal, that assumes risks, are helping find small bugs (or not so small), said otherwise, guinea pigs that pay to be testers... and on top of that, doing it blindly with close to zero feedback. (agreed that it does not only happen with NI products) it's not that they have to, but that it would be a nice gesture towards us, probably just to make us feel we're seen as humans instead of numbers. |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 12.02.2011 | Ok guys some of these questions can only be answered by checking the Bug Tracker. As some of these may still be under review or Beta Testing, so no-one can comment. Until a Bug or Issue is signed off as Fixed no comment can be made. Thats the nature of Beta Testing. I will try and answer each one. BUT: if i cant i wont. |
| komodia bee 12.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by Tekki
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| Jacque Divinity 12.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by alex8337
and because most community s are full of complete bell-ends that just like to cause arguments for the sake of entertaining themselves.. ala serato.com community s for one |
| komodia bee 12.02.2011 | thanks for the coronation hahaha yes, i actually watch this website and community s many times per week. my apologies for not participating more, but if something has already been said, why bother repeating? a lot of professional, devoted and geek people around, provides always a profiting read. nice to meet you i posted the same question on NI community s (where -before you want to check- i am member since 06 and have made around 300 posts) and by now all we've got from the people that is able to answer that, is silence. awkward silence. in times like this, -new update, new features, etc.- i get so sick to see old issues and others recenly introduced aparently not getting attention, or at least not being explained, while giving priority to some fancy stuff that only matters fancy people. i dj 3 to 4 times per week, i get money for that -fact that may be discussed in another post if you want- and i am worried about these 'minor issues' that make my job harder when they should be part of the core functionalities, as important as the program stability. how many times you press cue during a evening ?? i may do it hundreds, or even close to a thousand times each evening . always, having to be worried about when the soft decides to cheat me (us). that's not fair, that issue should be priority 0 and resolved in a hot patch. now as a new version has been announced, this leads to 2 months of waiting, at least. same thing goes for the loops that disengage randomly for pressing cue, size for stored loops not being updated in the display, not being able to apply a filter after i've frozen a delay or add a turntable fx to a beatsliced sample... or simply taking some bass out of a beatmashed sample. there are more minor issues like for example, while having snap activated, set a cue having the cursor over one clear beat, and the software mysteriously sets the cue on the NEXT beatmarker, not the closest. and it keeps doing it. and to add even more mystery, it does happen on some tracks only. the list is some posts above. so, let's keep the faith... but please NI, come on make our life easier.. |
| Random X 12.02.2011 | I will try to get some answers for you guys. |
| Karma Lucha 12.02.2011 | I lurk on most of my community s just because I dont like having to build a reputation just to gain mutual respect from the posters so that they'll take me seriously. Instead I only post in here and B at the moment (exc facebook) |
| Jacque Divinity 12.02.2011 | i posted in a community
the other day i had been a member of since about 03 or 04... i believe i've had a total 4 posts (3 were made the day i joined up!!) i lurked here for about 8 months before i joined |
| Julissa Serrone 12.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by VanGogo
There is now a tribute thread for him!!!!! Impressive post by Enrico none the less. WITH links. That took some time. I'll continue to bump this until he gets his answers. |
| Charline Dye 12.02.2011 | thats what I call the king of lurkers, lol. |
| Julissa Serrone 12.02.2011 | awesome follow up questions. Dude has been a member since 2008 with only 2 posts before this one. |
| Charline Dye 11.02.2011 | I have a feeling some things will be fixed when TPro2 comes out(it's worse than waiting for christmas), but not all, not for a little while anyway. There's gonna be a whole lotta people doin some remapping once it comes out though, lol. Gotta get sample deck control at minimum. |
| Len Lukawski 11.02.2011 | Fair play. It would be wicked to see a copy of the release notes at some point as that should provide a complete list of enhancements and fixes. |
| Charline Dye 11.02.2011 | I would be interested in an answer also. Smitten these have been discussed, but we don't have any real answer. Ean may/maynot respond as he is rarely posting in the community s these days if at all, but he does have the software and could possibly answer the questions listed if it is ok with NI. Which, it probably isn't, or some one at NI would have given us the info already. Enrico did his homework as he posted links to all the questions at hand. Good job! They have already stated that key lock on sample decks is coming, but I didn't see it in the software pics for TPro2 at NI |
| Len Lukawski 11.02.2011 | I don't believe these community
s are a personal hotline to Ean. There may well be others that can answer your questions but I would recommend spending some time searching existing threads. Many of these questions have already been raised and discussed in detail. SmiTTTen |
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