[idiot post] Sync Traktor + Maschine with midi cable
[idiot post] Sync Traktor + Maschine with midi cable Posted on: 07.12.2012 by Evia Nitch Dear all,Never thought I'd sink as deep as this. But I'm all out of ideas. Searched the community , searched youtube, googled. I try to sync my traktor to my maschine, through my XONE:4D with a midi cable. Did all the things all tut's are telling me to, but maschine is midi-deaf or there's no midi going through my cable. Is there a way to troubleshoot this? A way of seeing wether the clock signal is actually sent. Even better, anybody out there running the same setup? | |
| Evia Nitch 10.12.2012 | complete reinstall -> NADA! It does not show in the device manager as a midi device. If you ask Windows, the drivers are fine and dandy, but if you click them: error.jpg They won't load. Un/re-installed several times. From disk, from website, even let windows look for it... bummed out, really bummed out... Am I missing any tickboxes? |
| Maile Dekerlegand 07.02.2013 | The latest most interesting thing I have seen on the subject is 'Copperlan' mentioned in this thread: http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=67080 Another idea might be to see if you can dual boot osx or use a hackintosh on the cheap. Also, my idea, a while back was to use a non computer external clock source, for which the cheapest and most accurate I could find was the midipal: http://mutable-instruments.net/midipal The believeing was to try and remove any dependence on the windows os, especially if it midi clock handling is being forceably reprioritized all the time. But, slaving traktor/maschine off this via a DIN cable still gave me drift issues. I really hope that NI would integrate Maschine as another type of Traktor deck in the near future, it surely wouldn't be too hard for them to do, or alternatively implement midi time code, its already in ableton |
| Evia Nitch 07.02.2013 | Scooteradam, nice finds. Readup on the above, Also read that a professional audio interface would help. So there are things to try. No way I can afford a Mac. I have a nice setup, but had to save for 5 years and I use "vintage" PC's. I really want to dig as deep in this as I can and maybe write a definitive sync readup and run for a sticky. There are two things: -Improve clock signal transfer from one software to the other through two interfaces and a cable -See how to match phases. So mac users, can one automatically phase sync Maschine and Traktor through a midi cable? |
| Maile Dekerlegand 04.02.2013 | you can change the processor scheduling to favor background services over programs http://www.native-instruments.com/kn...dio+Processing and also any kind of latency tweaks, such as disabling power management and wireless etc also play with the offsets in general i'm not confident it will work based on my own mucking around and the following: http://www.traktorbible.com/en/t2_ma...midi_sync.aspx the solution seems to be: buy a mac :/ interested to hear from mac owners if the phase stays tight or whether even with osx it still need a bunch of rescyncing? |
| Evia Nitch 04.02.2013 | Well, here I am again. Figured as long as this thread is there, I'd just go on rambling about the whole syncing issue. I can get Maschine to sync to the other laptop with Traktor, but it seems that the phase is not ok. Is there a way to reliably sync the phase of the two? Second, I know Windows is not andling the midi clock with high priority. Is there a way to improve that? Any ASIO settings to be done? |
| Evia Nitch 28.01.2013 | ...Well, had some fun with the new setup. My processor load is literally several factors lower. I gues 1/3rd of the Vista load. Awesome! Solves the Midi channel 16 issue. It was dirt easy. Just select another channel for the maschine in the preferences EDIT: There was a piece moaning about how to get an s/pdiff on my laptop. The answere was staring me in the face. I just need to heatup the soldering iron and get the s/pdiff out from the texas instruments 2704 chip I have lying aroun in my diy interface. |
| Evia Nitch 22.01.2013 | Took me a christmass holiday and a few stupid mistakes, but it works! -Ordered my original (lost) German piece of shit Vista install disks (I am Dutch. They accidentally delivered the laptop with german OS and keyboard the day before they went bankrupt) -Ordered the windows 8 upgrade -Ordered a SSD -Put in the install disks to see what install options it gave to see if I needed to backup or if I could just install on C:-> formatted harddisk unasked! lost all. -Got the 32 bit one -Found out win8 won't upgrade to 64 bit if the original install wasn't -Found out I still have an IDE HDD. Had to sell the SSD. Installed and wired all. Can't explain how extatic I was when I saw that midi out device showing up in Maschine! Had some idiotic bhaviour before finding out how to permanently disable the 4D clock. And now it works. Issue to solve: all is transmitting on CH16 midi. Need to find out if the Machine can be set to a different channel. Else I need to rebuild my midi map for a different channel... But... I'm happy. The sync isn't too bad. |
| Maile Dekerlegand 12.12.2012 | win 7 for the sole reason that more people will have experience at doing stuff it it I upgraded from vista a couple of years back and the performance increase was instantly noticable (in a good way) |
| Evia Nitch 11.12.2012 | Sooo, It's time to wave goodbye to Vista. I'll reinstall my OS. Any thoughts on what (light) OS to get? I don't need superlight, so I'm looking at win7/8 |
| Evia Nitch 10.12.2012 | complete reinstall -> NADA! It does not show in the device manager as a midi device. If you ask Windows, the drivers are fine and dandy, but if you click them: error.jpg They won't load. Un/re-installed several times. From disk, from website, even let windows look for it... bummed out, really bummed out... Am I missing any tickboxes? |
| Maile Dekerlegand 10.12.2012 | glad you could narrow it down at least well, it works via DIN cable on a win 7 laptop, just be prepared for drift is all let us know how it works out |
| Evia Nitch 10.12.2012 | tadaaaah!, scooteradam, thanks. As I posted bofore:
In Maschine I see no midi in or out devices. I expected the controller to show as a midi device...
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| Maile Dekerlegand 10.12.2012 | there should be a list of midi in's in the maschine routing settings, one of them should be maschine midi in, another for instance could be a midi keyboard or the xone4d using the cable should be fine, the cable comes out of xone and into the maschine right? three things need to be happening: 1) xone4d->DIN cable the xone should be sending midi clock signal somehow, maybe it does it all the time or maybe there is some kind of transport control on the xone itself, if you are not sure if this is happening I suggest to use a midi monitor to listen to see if something is being sent 2)DIN cable->maschine midi in the maschine midi inputs settings (file-audio and midi settings-midi-inputs) should have 'maschine mk2 in' to status=on 3)slave maschine to the midi clock signal file-sync to external clock=ticked if 'maschine mk2 in' is not showing as a device then maybe it is a driver issue, once maschine is properly installed it should show up as long as you are plugged in via usb |
| Ervin Calvery 10.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by boarderbas
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| Evia Nitch 10.12.2012 | "The device" meaning the maschine contrller itself. It does not show as a midi input device in the maschine software. It has the DIN plug connected for midi receiving fron the midi out of the 4D. How do I set up maschine to have the din input plug as the midi input? There is nothing in the manuals about this. |
| Nancey Inderlied 09.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by boarderbas
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| Evia Nitch 08.12.2012 | Why 2 pc's? I use a 1.7 centrino for traktor, which works just fine, but is not powerfull enough to run both. The second laptop is a core duo 2,33 ghz and just manages maschine if I don't add two instances of massive. So its a processor thing. The traktor laptop is connected to the 4D, the maschine laptop sends spdiff to the 4D. The 4D and the maschine controller are connected through midi cable. In Maschine I see no midi in or out devices. I expected the controller to show as a midi device... How do i enable midi in themaschine sofware? i cliched "sync to external midi" If this does not work i may try to sync through ethernet. |
| Maile Dekerlegand 07.12.2012 | your 4d should show up as a midi in in the maschine midi inputs section of its settings if not then its probably a driver thing it could be that you don't have midi in enabled in maschine, it may show but you still have to click on it and enable it then check is clock send enabled in traktor and the play/send clock on then check the maschine option 'sync to midi clock' is selected if still no then it may be time to check with a midi monitor and read up on the 4d and the way in which it sends its own clock all that being said midi clock drift suuuuuucks when trying to sync with traktor in windows, better off just dialling it in and using nudge controls for the maschine, aannnd given it doesn't have them use it as a VST in live and use lives. you can map lives transport controls to another controller and nudge with that or... if you like switching back and forth just map them in the midi mode interested to hear how much drift you encounter... |
| Ervin Calvery 07.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by boarderbas
Is there are reason they can't come out of the same computer? |
| Evia Nitch 07.12.2012 | I have wo pc's One running Maschine, one running traktor. Traktor is sending the clock. All settings are done as instructed. The 4D's internal Midi clock is switched off. Maschine is set to recieve external midi. I've tried to sync it to the 4D's midi signal, but nothing happens. Midi cable is in the 4D's DIN midi out, and the maschine controller mid in. All tut's mention making a generic midi device, but I assume I don't need to make a second one as the 4D is allready my midi device in traktor. The 4D user manual states that the midi out replicated all midi that is sent through USB. |
| Judi Sissel 07.12.2012 | Are you just trying to sync Traktor and Maschine? This should all be done via SW... Do you have Traktor sending out midi clock? Is the play button clicked in the master clock? Do you have the option in Maschine to receive External midi clock? http://www.traktorbible.com/en/t2_ma...ync.aspx#step1 |
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