S4 + MidiFighter + Maschine
S4 + MidiFighter + Maschine Posted on: 14.08.2011 by Mica Merricks Hi guys!I've been DJing with the S4 and a Midifighter (Instant Gratification Mapping) for some months now. I love it, but I just feel that there are some FX I rarely use on my midifighter, and others in which I would want some more control (plus superknobs charm!). I recently bought a Maschine for producing and I'm trying to figure out how to also integrate it with my traktor setup. I first thought of using Maschine alongside Traktor as a 4th deck to drop some live beats or self produced ones, or to sample what is sounding in traktor and play with it live. That kind of seems interesting, but also very hard to do, so I will work more on it. Also, I have to figure out how the hell to route everything up. Anyway, in the meantime, I want to use the Maschine as a Midi controller. For those of you who have it or are believeing on getting one, how would you integrate it in your setup? I've never been much of a beatjuggler (mostly because I never put the effort), but I'm believeing maybe use the Midifighter on bank mode with Cues 1-8 and a 4 button row to map the beatmasher in the instant gratification mapping. Then I have the entire maschine for controling FX: knobs for delays, slices, reverbs and such (with superknob flavour) and pads for one-step FX. I also need to figure out how to map FX banks 3-4, I never tried it and don't know how to assign them since the S4 by default only lets you assign banks 1-2. What do you believe? Can this be done? What would you do? Thanks a lot in advance!!! /beat | |
| Patty Mcgilbra 23.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by Yul
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| Patty Mcgilbra 22.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by djnesquigs
shouldnt be an issue if you use other super knobs as long as you dont try and hit/turn both buttons/knobs at once also make sure your super knobs select the needed effects but that should be pretty obvious after watching that video linked above |
| Mica Merricks 14.08.2011 | Hi guys! I've been DJing with the S4 and a Midifighter (Instant Gratification Mapping) for some months now. I love it, but I just feel that there are some FX I rarely use on my midifighter, and others in which I would want some more control (plus superknobs charm!). I recently bought a Maschine for producing and I'm trying to figure out how to also integrate it with my traktor setup. I first thought of using Maschine alongside Traktor as a 4th deck to drop some live beats or self produced ones, or to sample what is sounding in traktor and play with it live. That kind of seems interesting, but also very hard to do, so I will work more on it. Also, I have to figure out how the hell to route everything up. Anyway, in the meantime, I want to use the Maschine as a Midi controller. For those of you who have it or are believeing on getting one, how would you integrate it in your setup? I've never been much of a beatjuggler (mostly because I never put the effort), but I'm believeing maybe use the Midifighter on bank mode with Cues 1-8 and a 4 button row to map the beatmasher in the instant gratification mapping. Then I have the entire maschine for controling FX: knobs for delays, slices, reverbs and such (with superknob flavour) and pads for one-step FX. I also need to figure out how to map FX banks 3-4, I never tried it and don't know how to assign them since the S4 by default only lets you assign banks 1-2. What do you believe? Can this be done? What would you do? Thanks a lot in advance!!! /beat |
| Rey Holubar 24.08.2011 | Ok, I had some time yesterday evening and did some experimenting. As it seems to me, the take over of an effects unit from one controller to another needs two presses of a button for it to work. One sets it. (Yul, is that what you meant by FX preset?) The other turns it on. So I stand corrected. I'm going to play around with it some more too, because the Machine's pads aren't just buttons. They send different signals. That could possibly mean some interesting effect variations too. scamo |
| Kecia Wnukowski 23.08.2011 | The delay implied would be of no relevance so it's not an issue hopefully. I wish we could have instant FX from the push of a button whatever the fx mode currently used, that would be awesome and would open so much potential. |
| Patty Mcgilbra 23.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by Yul
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| Rey Holubar 22.08.2011 | Interesting. I'll have to give a try this weekend, when I start mapping effect buttons. scamo |
| Kecia Wnukowski 22.08.2011 | We're not talking about the same thing. You're still actually wrong: let's say your midi fighter is previewed to use fx unit 1 in advanced mode and button A selects, set parameters and engages the desired fx on and off. Now use a knob or another button (whatever the controller, that's not relevant) to change the fx unit 1 to group mode. Then your midi fighter button A won't be able to turn the fx unit back to advanced mode AND engages the FX at the same time on a single push of a button. You'll need two pushes. That's a known limitation of Traktor and that's why we use Fx presets. A knob isn't a button and doesn't act the same way. |
| Rey Holubar 22.08.2011 | Your right. I am not sure what you mean. But for sure you can set up a button or a knob to change the FX unit to what ever you want it to be from what ever it was before with one push of the button or turn of the knob and it doesn't matter what controlled those things before. I know, because I've made a couple of super knobs (like armyofme4340's sweep transition effect) on my Machine and they work brilliantly. I can change even two effects units with the one knob and it doesn't matter what the effect unit was in group or advanced mode or what effect was selected. I believe it also doesn't matter what condition one controller is in, to answer the original question, now that I understand what IG mapping means. Midi doesn't have states, meaning, the control signal is a short information only for the time of the control duration (pressing of a button, turning of a knob). Midi was originally created for keyboard (the instruments, not the computer keyboard) communication and the keys on keyboards are essentially buttons. If you don't press any buttons on the X1, then nothing gets sent from the controller. So if you press a button on the MF and it controls the same functions as the X1, like an effects unit, then the MF will "take over" and do its thing. If you press buttons between the two controllers at the same time and they conflict, like run the same effects unit, then you may have control signal issues and Traktor may strike or do funny things. What Ashigari says here is absolutely true IMHO.
the instant gratification mapping selects the needed effect on each button press, so even if you have selceted and used some other effect via the X1 the IG mapping will get the right effect and value once you hit the buttons
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| Kecia Wnukowski 22.08.2011 | You misunderstood what I was writing. You should try to call instant fx yourself from different modes then (ie call the fx from a mode to another and activate the fx with only one push of a button). You cant'. |
| Rey Holubar 22.08.2011 | It depends on how the button is mapped. You can have it.... call up the effects unit in group or advanced mode (which I believe the IG mapping does. So it doesn't matter what was set up before, the effect buttons override the prior settings) assign it a certain deck (or the deck with focus) assign a certain effect type or types in group mode assign certain effect parameters including the wetness of the effect turn the effect on and off (and few other things too.) scamo |
| Kecia Wnukowski 22.08.2011 |
so even if you have selceted and used some other effect via the X1 the IG mapping will get the right effect and value once you hit the buttons
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| Patty Mcgilbra 22.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by djnesquigs
shouldnt be an issue if you use other super knobs as long as you dont try and hit/turn both buttons/knobs at once also make sure your super knobs select the needed effects but that should be pretty obvious after watching that video linked above |
| Rey Holubar 17.08.2011 | Hmm.. Not sure what the IG Map is, but if all the knobs on your X1 are programmed/ mapped, then if you want to also map another "superknob", your going to loose a mapping on that knob, meaning, it isn't going to go back to "normal". I'd say, if you have extra knobs left that aren't yet used, then you can map it as a superknob. scamo |
| Coreen Pankow 16.08.2011 | ok, see i was toying with the idea of a superknob on my x1 to use in conjunction with my MF and s4 but the issue im running into planning it is making sure the IG map will be able to revert to its "pre set" effects when the button is pressed after using the x1 to engage effects not included in the IG mapping (in superknob fashion like the video above) is this possible? sorry to hijack... but its kinda related :P |
| Rey Holubar 15.08.2011 | Theoretically, unless you specifcally like the game controller buttons on the midi-fighter, you could get rid of it and just use the Machine as your prefered controller. (I know I'll get some flames here for saying that) But in all honesty, the machine in midi-mode has a ton more possibilities than the midi-fighter could give you. (8x8=64 knob possibilites, 8x8=64 button possibilities (it might even be more) with the ability to add a name to the buttons/knob combinations on the Machine screen with the controller editer. You also get 8x16=128 button(pad) combinations. You'd need several midi-fighters to get that type of control. And yes, it is all "mappable" with the machine. Check out [ame="http://www.youtube.com/user/armyofme4340#p/u/4/lMbsAIBs3uE"]armyofme3440's video[/ame] on Youtube for an idea of how to make a really cool sweep transition effect as a superknob. She also shows you how effect banks 3 and 4 can be used. This got my imagination going with the Machine as a controller. scamo |
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